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I have a recommendation that this community abides by when it comes to trolls or people who don't promote helpful, and edifying conversation.  Ignore them.

 

Star-divide

In a matter of 24 hours I have seen one guy with an aptitude for worming just beneath people's skin and inching the host into madness make jerks out of our fine community.  This is disappointing because many of those people are known for being great assets to the site and promoting fair, and civil discussion. 

Let's make a pledge to not lower ourselves or our standards because of someone else's actions, no matter how aggravating.  Let's recognize when one of our own, whom we know to be honorable, loses perspective and responds to someone disrespectfully, and let's remind them in as polite of words as possible not to turn ugly.  Please respectfully remind me when I'm out of line as well (This post may be out of line as a Fanpost).

I can't tell you how refreshing this community has been to me.  I wish I could read every post written because of how intelligent, articulate and humorous we are (mostly you!).  It is equally discouraging when someone turns the Pepsi into Poison.  My suggestion: IGNORE TROLLS and they will go away, but above all, and with any response, treat everyone with respect (even if you're sure they don't deserve it). 

Sorry for getting sappy...that's unlike me. 

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This post isnt out of line.

I think we are getting a hang of the troll thing. It reminds me of PippenAintEasy .

:)

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 4:18 PM PDT   0 recs

it probably is PAE

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 30, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

it has to be

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 4:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Pimpin' Ain't Easy"

is scratched in somewhere in my school’s bathroom…. every time I see it, I think it says Pippen Ain’t Easy

--

by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 30, 2008 7:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for writing this.... I agree

….and I apologize if I have in any way contributed to this trend.

I agree that the best thing to do is ignore trolls.

Go Blazers Edge Community!! :)

by kobestopper on Oct 30, 2008 4:32 PM PDT   0 recs

I know, you are correct sir.

And let me be the first to apologize to other BEdgers for biting (at least a few times) on the points previously mentioned (even if my comments were witty, biting, and hilarious).

It just kinda sucks because discussion is constantly interrupted by broken record comments that don’t further the discussion. Purely for ease of reading purposes, even if the content is ignored, it makes it frustrating.

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 30, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Ignoring

Ignoring content is annoying. That’s why ignoring trolls will be effective in helping them move on to another site.

by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 4:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mave, I like your suggestion

But unfortunately it’s hard to get everybody on the same page. There are just too many people here who will bite. That guy should flat out be banned so we can actually get back to honest legitimate Blazer related discussion.

Some people have an adversarial tone and writing style but really intend to talk Blazers and share their views reasonably, and they should be given a little slack. I think your advice is especially worthwhile for those people. However there are others (like our current troll) who intentionally post offending content purely to get a response. That shouldn’t be tolerated, and it will be verrrry difficult to get the whole community to use the same strategy of ignoring and tolerance for someone so antagonistic.

BAN! BAN! BAN! Why is he still here? Ben and Dave probably haven’t seen the havoc he wreaks. Who wants to shoot them an email?

by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 4:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Ban

Leaving the banning to Dave. He is a wise man.

If you feel like someone is disrupting the community, report them to Dave and move on.

by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear you.

I’ve administrated a pretty good size forum before, and it was funny how many times an issue would blow up in the community but nobody would let me know. Then finally somebody would send an email and ask why I hadn’t done anything. It occured to me that Dave might not be aware of this kid’s shenanigans, I just hadn’t bothered to email myself.

Ahh, I have now become a perpetrator of the good old concept of diffusion of responsibility.

by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you can flag people for cursing or whatever, but another option is to flag them as a troll. I’ve done this, and if we all do, then maybe dave or ben will cave to the vocal majority.

by 50backflips on Oct 30, 2008 8:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Indeed

Part of the definition of “troll” is “causes a disproportionate amount of trouble to a disproportionate number of people compared to the content and value of his/her comments”. The best way to measure this is those flags. Trolls try to have a negative effect on the community. How are we to know that effect unless you tell us? I’m not encouraging people to flag everything they find mildly annoying or disagreeable, mind you. Flagging should be an option after you’ve tried interpreting the comment in the best light, giving the guy a break, and deciding that it just doesn’t matter much. But if none of those coping mechanisms are working, do use the flags and let us know.

—Dave

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dave

whats your criteria for banning? could you send a suggestion to sbn for just hitting an ignore poster button? it’d be nice to hear your opinion on people privately or publically so we know that you are aware of the issue…if you tell the flagger he is wrong maybe the flagger will move on…if not the flagger will know something was done to solve the issue.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thx

it just seems like there are a lot of posters who fit descriptions of “that guy” that never get banned.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I've never done that

I’ve warned plenty of people, but what is said has always been between me and them. Some shape up after that so there’s no need for the public castigation. Others don’t, in which case we drive them out to the desert where there’s a hole and they don’t come back. In those situations the public display is a moot point, as they’re gone. Either way I’ve not seen the upside to doing it in public. You will, however, tend to notice that if someone is annoying and disruptive and won’t quit they disappear. I won’t tell you where the holes are dug, though.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Bravo!

The only pleasure in public humiliation should be that which the Blazers will, within a few years, begin to subject the L*kers to.

Otherwise, civility.

And that’s the truth.

by Trutherlizer on Oct 31, 2008 12:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A hole in the desert?

Which Mob family do you work for?

WWKPD?
Ambassador to the Miami Heat

by Magnum on Oct 31, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, Dave ...

In the end, it’s your call.
I try to weigh other people’s comments evenly and realize that my own interpretation is subjective.
In the future, I will flag “Troll”-like comments when they come with regularity. Also, I will flag way-out-of-line stuff that causes adverse reactions to this community forum. I had previously reserved “flagging” for curse words and such.
There are some Blazers Edgers I have set to “invisible” status personally, but who do not probably require flagging in general. Nothing is permanent, everything is temporary.
Thanks for addressing the topic, Mav.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.

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by Y5k on Oct 31, 2008 7:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 for good advice

I will try to follow it through.

by premthegrem on Oct 30, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 30, 2008 5:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Ignoring is good.

Don’t forget to flag the offending comments, as well. That’s the system we have in place, and it really is effective. The admins respond fairly quickly and do any deletion/banning that have to happen. If things are really bad, e-mail Dave and Ben.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 30, 2008 5:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Just please make sure

That the flagging is warranted.

If we’re insinuating the dude I think we’re insinuating, he was annoying but not really flaggable if ya ask me…

Flagging should only be reserved for blatant violations and ultra-trolling, not just trying to get attention.

If someone has an annoying POV, we should ignore them over flagging. If they spam their view, it’s flaggable to me, but not just them having an annoying opinion on something that most disagree with. I don’t think that’s healthy to flag things like that.

I ain’t directing this at RockingHarder, just adding my own annoying POV. We shouldn’t discourage people to think differently, even if it is completely misguided (ain’t saying it always is, just sayin’)

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are correct

You cant flag some one cuz he pissed you off. And if he pissed you off then it means you talk to him too much. Just stop talking to him and how can a troll piss you off then.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol at ultra trolling

dude in question was harping on a point or 2 …but he was presenting basketball related arguments…valid or not…

now he was contrarian, but not in an overly simplitic way ala Monty Python argument vs simple disagreement, but did seem to relish the annoyance factor in the speed, volume (ie amount), style, format, etc. of his 300 post that became fairly unanimously offensive and annoying (IMHO)

by LetsBlaze on Oct 30, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why is it so hard

If you dont want to talk to some one then dont talk. See if there is a bitter fan for any reson, and posts something you feel like a troll and you start to get mad, it only will make him more happy to do it more.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 6:15 PM PDT   0 recs

RipCity, how many people frequent this site?

I can ignore the guy all day long. I’m totally capable of it and I’m happy to do it. Sounds like you are capable as well, and I’m assuming pretty much all of the BE posters are capable of it. But will they all do it? No. There are too many visitors here, and there will always be somebody willing to take the bait as long as there is trolling.

The difficult task isn’t getting an individual to stop responding to trolling, it’s getting EVERYONE to. And as long as he can get somebody to bite, it’s mission accomplished.

But sure, let’s give it a shot.

And I agree with Mortimer, quite often there isn’t any single post that is all that inflammatory, it’s the tone, content, and frequency of all of them combined, and how the deterioration in discourse completely hijacks the original topic.

by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 6:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

but you cant know its troll right of the bat. And I dont think that everybody wants to ignore trolls. I think that some fans like to argue matter what. I used to be an idiot like that, but I just stopped cuz you feel dirty afterwards.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I think

many people eventually realize they’re best off if they ignore trolls. But it’s not obvious to everyone.

I wouldn’t say that after 300+ posts in 2 days that I’ve decided he’s a troll “right off the bat”. I agree, don’t jump to conclusions if it’s not clear, but this is plenty clear to me.

by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 8:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

come on man

Some people like to argue with each other. They like fights cuz they think they can winnig is in attacking other people not explaining. Some people wont argree with you even if your right. You cant tell everybody how to handle stuff. They will learn if they want but if they like it you cant do nothing about it other than flag it if you think it appropriate.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I just see it like this; if someone does not respect others then he wont get any respect. So dont worry. If some one has an opinion that Oden sucks, who cares. When Oden is going to come back then that guy will see it. But dont bite the bait in going after him in a pissed off mode thats fuel for the troll.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 9:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ignoring is ok but there are better solutions

i think we just need to moderate the content here more and let people know when they are acting out of line…the main problem with iamatrailblazersfan is the constant flaming and the lack of moderating…i used to read every comment on this site bc the posters had good content whether i agreed with them or not…these days i just scan and look thru posters i respect.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the focus

I appreciate the attempt at self-control. One of the best things about this site is that it (for the most part) focuses solely on the Blazers. Doesn’t get too meta or self-referential. As long as we’re talking about the Blazers, it should stay that way.

< /war >

by Diesel10 on Oct 30, 2008 6:32 PM PDT   0 recs

The flameathon

On the JD today was a bit much but you dont have to buy into it,use the ignore function on your key board and dont reply

by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2008 6:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Is that function next to the any key?

But seriously, does this SB Nation platform have an ignore function? Man, that would be great. Although those JD discussions would be just as unreadable with half the posts missing.

by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 7:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When I perfect my new keyboard design

I am going to market it along side Lacker toilet paper and get rich

by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2008 7:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Thank you for posting this

I of course was one of several that baited and responded. I really tried several times to be civil and adult like, but it got beyond ridiculous for all of us involved. I couln’t even try to talk to my friends on her without “you know who” butting in. I really love this place, love everyones debates and discussions and enjoy being a part of such a great community. It got out of hand today (look at the junk drawer…over 600 comments!).

When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".

Man I love him.

by twiggs on Oct 30, 2008 7:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Ignoring trolls is a good policy, but in fact, I have never known it to work because

there is always, always a critical mass of people who just can’t let it go.

I’ve come around to the point of view that on sites like this you – the hosts and patrons – have a right to decide who our friends are and remove those whose company we don’t enjoy.

I know, it’s not all free speech and tolerance, but I come here for fun and relaxation, not for an exercise in self restraint. When it stops being fun, I’ll stop coming.

by raoulduke on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Right to decide

As Dave mentioned below, I think a lot of care has to come from this “right to decide.” Rewarding positive interactions with responses and discussion, while ignoring attacking, and nonsensical comments is a good way of deciding.

I came to this site of my own free will and decided that I wanted to become part of the community. I think anyone else should be able to do the same…IF they agree to abide by the guidelines of this community.

I’m not sure if I’m agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. Haha. I’m trying to differentiate between an open community (which we are), and a clique (which doesn’t allow people in that they don’t like).

by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

tip

If you start to argue with an idiot its going to turn into a game of feelings, cuz idiots dont have logic.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 PM PDT   0 recs

and

you will degrade to his level. Just simple if you dont like crap dont step in it. You dont have to worry about everyone else cuz there is people that like batting on useless arguments.

by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So can we talk about this team again..?

I’m trying not to jinx the troll-less environment by bringing up basketball BUT…

I want to know who thinks who is going to play how much and when :-)

by LetsBlaze on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Is this the most important part?

if I have to come home and spend half an hour a day checking up on what you did…you have to go. I’m not taking time from my kid and family and Blazer research and writing and consulting with contacts just so I can make continual judgment calls after reviewing your comments. Even if nothing you say is over the line, being continually close enough to get negative attention will eventually get you booted as surely as swearing will. —Dave

This totally seems like reason enough to ban the troll du jour. Also, thanks Dave!! Best internet site ever!!

by 50backflips on Oct 30, 2008 8:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It is important

But every once in a while the troll du jour becomes a fantastic poster and that’s important too. Also people’s opinions of what constitutes trolling differs and I try to balance my own metric of “trollism” with patience and repeated data about how its affecting the community. That’s why I don’t tend to knee-jerk ban unless someone just tees off with flagrant violations of site policies.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Merci beaucoup

I’ve wondered about the whole ignoring/saying something/flagging continuum, and this clears up a number of my questions (especially since the flagging option is relatively new). Can something along these lines be included in the Site Conversation Rules as a reference?

by Corvid on Oct 30, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Basically

it’s best to ignore and/or give the benefit of the doubt to annoying people. But if you can’t manage that because it’s too abrasive or this is not your day, then flagging is the next most effective option.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In Japan they say money before cats instead of pearls before swine

Interesting how they have the same concept here and turned it into a saying about valuables in front of an animal.

by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 9:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Way way way OT by the way

sorry for not giving the heads up.

by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 9:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

quoi???

lil help for frenchie, explain that all swine and twine with pearls thingy, i`m not getting the idea of that expression… I wonder if we have an equivalent in french?

Ati toi, fumier de lapin...

by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ooops

forgot to say please…. Please!

Ati toi, fumier de lapin...

by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It means you give them a gift

usually in the form of some kind of wisdom or respect, and they don’t reconize it as the ‘pearl’ that it is.

by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 10:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks...

getting better thanks to the knowledge you just passed on to me…
just play on words on the twine swine… time for some wine i guess…

Ati toi, fumier de lapin...

by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hummmm

sounds like that cats and dogs deal, very obscure!! trying to figure out a french equivalent but not sure yet… thanks for the help! taught me something new!

Ati toi, fumier de lapin...

by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 10:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's raining cats and dogs?

I’ll let you in on where that came from. Back way back when, when roofs were made from straw, the animals of the house used to climb into them to keep warm. When it rained and the straw became wet and slippery, the animals would fall out. Thus raining cats and dogs. Glad I can teach someone some English while I’m here at work. These Japanese kids aren’t getting it no matter how much I beat them.

by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 11:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you kidding me!!!

man that was good. I actually haven`t ever been able to find a person able to explain that one to me in over 5yrs being here… can`t believe that one of my forever unanswered question as been answered… scratching that one off my list… thanks dude… I`ll remember to hit you up for any further necessary clarifications of weird idioms….and stuff.

Ati toi, fumier de lapin...

by kidiblaze on Oct 31, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On a slightly contrarian note

I will mention that on another sports blog, Lookout Landing (dealing with baseball and the Seattle Mariners) they are very quick to ban people who annoy the host or otherwise take an antagonistic tone — when this is how they are introducing themselves to the community.

First impressions count for a great deal.

ignacio

by ignacio on Oct 30, 2008 9:26 PM PDT   0 recs

well stated

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

This is not a good site if you care about your points to the exclusion of caring about people. It’s possible to be right and still be heinously wrong.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 10:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We have to care about people?

Next you’re going to tell us we have to care about cats.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 7:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs