OT: Blazersedge Community
I have a recommendation that this community abides by when it comes to trolls or people who don't promote helpful, and edifying conversation. Ignore them.
In a matter of 24 hours I have seen one guy with an aptitude for worming just beneath people's skin and inching the host into madness make jerks out of our fine community. This is disappointing because many of those people are known for being great assets to the site and promoting fair, and civil discussion.
Let's make a pledge to not lower ourselves or our standards because of someone else's actions, no matter how aggravating. Let's recognize when one of our own, whom we know to be honorable, loses perspective and responds to someone disrespectfully, and let's remind them in as polite of words as possible not to turn ugly. Please respectfully remind me when I'm out of line as well (This post may be out of line as a Fanpost).
I can't tell you how refreshing this community has been to me. I wish I could read every post written because of how intelligent, articulate and humorous we are (mostly you!). It is equally discouraging when someone turns the Pepsi into Poison. My suggestion: IGNORE TROLLS and they will go away, but above all, and with any response, treat everyone with respect (even if you're sure they don't deserve it).
Sorry for getting sappy...that's unlike me.
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This post isnt out of line.
I think we are getting a hang of the troll thing. It reminds me of PippenAintEasy .
:)
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it probably is PAE
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 30, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
it has to be
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Pimpin' Ain't Easy"
is scratched in somewhere in my school’s bathroom…. every time I see it, I think it says Pippen Ain’t Easy
--
by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 30, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
practice witchcreaft ?
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Oct 31, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for writing this.... I agree
….and I apologize if I have in any way contributed to this trend.
I agree that the best thing to do is ignore trolls.
Go Blazers Edge Community!! :)
by kobestopper on Oct 30, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, you are correct sir.
And let me be the first to apologize to other BEdgers for biting (at least a few times) on the points previously mentioned (even if my comments were witty, biting, and hilarious).
It just kinda sucks because discussion is constantly interrupted by broken record comments that don’t further the discussion. Purely for ease of reading purposes, even if the content is ignored, it makes it frustrating.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
by joelor on Oct 30, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring
Ignoring content is annoying. That’s why ignoring trolls will be effective in helping them move on to another site.
by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mave, I like your suggestion
But unfortunately it’s hard to get everybody on the same page. There are just too many people here who will bite. That guy should flat out be banned so we can actually get back to honest legitimate Blazer related discussion.
Some people have an adversarial tone and writing style but really intend to talk Blazers and share their views reasonably, and they should be given a little slack. I think your advice is especially worthwhile for those people. However there are others (like our current troll) who intentionally post offending content purely to get a response. That shouldn’t be tolerated, and it will be verrrry difficult to get the whole community to use the same strategy of ignoring and tolerance for someone so antagonistic.
BAN! BAN! BAN! Why is he still here? Ben and Dave probably haven’t seen the havoc he wreaks. Who wants to shoot them an email?
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ban
Leaving the banning to Dave. He is a wise man.
If you feel like someone is disrupting the community, report them to Dave and move on.
by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you.
I’ve administrated a pretty good size forum before, and it was funny how many times an issue would blow up in the community but nobody would let me know. Then finally somebody would send an email and ask why I hadn’t done anything. It occured to me that Dave might not be aware of this kid’s shenanigans, I just hadn’t bothered to email myself.
Ahh, I have now become a perpetrator of the good old concept of diffusion of responsibility.
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can flag people for cursing or whatever, but another option is to flag them as a troll. I’ve done this, and if we all do, then maybe dave or ben will cave to the vocal majority.
by 50backflips on Oct 30, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Part of the definition of “troll” is “causes a disproportionate amount of trouble to a disproportionate number of people compared to the content and value of his/her comments”. The best way to measure this is those flags. Trolls try to have a negative effect on the community. How are we to know that effect unless you tell us? I’m not encouraging people to flag everything they find mildly annoying or disagreeable, mind you. Flagging should be an option after you’ve tried interpreting the comment in the best light, giving the guy a break, and deciding that it just doesn’t matter much. But if none of those coping mechanisms are working, do use the flags and let us know.
—Dave
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dave
whats your criteria for banning? could you send a suggestion to sbn for just hitting an ignore poster button? it’d be nice to hear your opinion on people privately or publically so we know that you are aware of the issue…if you tell the flagger he is wrong maybe the flagger will move on…if not the flagger will know something was done to solve the issue.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link is on the bottom of the right sidebar.
Skadoosh
by postup on Oct 30, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thx
it just seems like there are a lot of posters who fit descriptions of “that guy” that never get banned.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I've never done that
I’ve warned plenty of people, but what is said has always been between me and them. Some shape up after that so there’s no need for the public castigation. Others don’t, in which case we drive them out to the desert where there’s a hole and they don’t come back. In those situations the public display is a moot point, as they’re gone. Either way I’ve not seen the upside to doing it in public. You will, however, tend to notice that if someone is annoying and disruptive and won’t quit they disappear. I won’t tell you where the holes are dug, though.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bravo!
The only pleasure in public humiliation should be that which the Blazers will, within a few years, begin to subject the L*kers to.
Otherwise, civility.
And that’s the truth.
by Trutherlizer on Oct 31, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A hole in the desert?
Which Mob family do you work for?
WWKPD?
Ambassador to the Miami Heat
by Magnum on Oct 31, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Dave ...
In the end, it’s your call.
I try to weigh other people’s comments evenly and realize that my own interpretation is subjective.
In the future, I will flag “Troll”-like comments when they come with regularity. Also, I will flag way-out-of-line stuff that causes adverse reactions to this community forum. I had previously reserved “flagging” for curse words and such.
There are some Blazers Edgers I have set to “invisible” status personally, but who do not probably require flagging in general. Nothing is permanent, everything is temporary.
Thanks for addressing the topic, Mav.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 31, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for good advice
I will try to follow it through.
by premthegrem on Oct 30, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Oct 30, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring is good.
Don’t forget to flag the offending comments, as well. That’s the system we have in place, and it really is effective. The admins respond fairly quickly and do any deletion/banning that have to happen. If things are really bad, e-mail Dave and Ben.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Oct 30, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just please make sure
That the flagging is warranted.
If we’re insinuating the dude I think we’re insinuating, he was annoying but not really flaggable if ya ask me…
Flagging should only be reserved for blatant violations and ultra-trolling, not just trying to get attention.
If someone has an annoying POV, we should ignore them over flagging. If they spam their view, it’s flaggable to me, but not just them having an annoying opinion on something that most disagree with. I don’t think that’s healthy to flag things like that.
I ain’t directing this at RockingHarder, just adding my own annoying POV. We shouldn’t discourage people to think differently, even if it is completely misguided (ain’t saying it always is, just sayin’)
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
You cant flag some one cuz he pissed you off. And if he pissed you off then it means you talk to him too much. Just stop talking to him and how can a troll piss you off then.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at ultra trolling
dude in question was harping on a point or 2 …but he was presenting basketball related arguments…valid or not…
now he was contrarian, but not in an overly simplitic way ala Monty Python argument vs simple disagreement, but did seem to relish the annoyance factor in the speed, volume (ie amount), style, format, etc. of his 300 post that became fairly unanimously offensive and annoying (IMHO)
by LetsBlaze on Oct 30, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it so hard
If you dont want to talk to some one then dont talk. See if there is a bitter fan for any reson, and posts something you feel like a troll and you start to get mad, it only will make him more happy to do it more.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RipCity, how many people frequent this site?
I can ignore the guy all day long. I’m totally capable of it and I’m happy to do it. Sounds like you are capable as well, and I’m assuming pretty much all of the BE posters are capable of it. But will they all do it? No. There are too many visitors here, and there will always be somebody willing to take the bait as long as there is trolling.
The difficult task isn’t getting an individual to stop responding to trolling, it’s getting EVERYONE to. And as long as he can get somebody to bite, it’s mission accomplished.
But sure, let’s give it a shot.
And I agree with Mortimer, quite often there isn’t any single post that is all that inflammatory, it’s the tone, content, and frequency of all of them combined, and how the deterioration in discourse completely hijacks the original topic.
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but you cant know its troll right of the bat. And I dont think that everybody wants to ignore trolls. I think that some fans like to argue matter what. I used to be an idiot like that, but I just stopped cuz you feel dirty afterwards.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think
many people eventually realize they’re best off if they ignore trolls. But it’s not obvious to everyone.
I wouldn’t say that after 300+ posts in 2 days that I’ve decided he’s a troll “right off the bat”. I agree, don’t jump to conclusions if it’s not clear, but this is plenty clear to me.
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on man
Some people like to argue with each other. They like fights cuz they think they can winnig is in attacking other people not explaining. Some people wont argree with you even if your right. You cant tell everybody how to handle stuff. They will learn if they want but if they like it you cant do nothing about it other than flag it if you think it appropriate.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I just see it like this; if someone does not respect others then he wont get any respect. So dont worry. If some one has an opinion that Oden sucks, who cares. When Oden is going to come back then that guy will see it. But dont bite the bait in going after him in a pissed off mode thats fuel for the troll.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignoring is ok but there are better solutions
i think we just need to moderate the content here more and let people know when they are acting out of line…the main problem with iamatrailblazersfan is the constant flaming and the lack of moderating…i used to read every comment on this site bc the posters had good content whether i agreed with them or not…these days i just scan and look thru posters i respect.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the focus
I appreciate the attempt at self-control. One of the best things about this site is that it (for the most part) focuses solely on the Blazers. Doesn’t get too meta or self-referential. As long as we’re talking about the Blazers, it should stay that way.
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Oct 30, 2008 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The flameathon
On the JD today was a bit much but you dont have to buy into it,use the ignore function on your key board and dont reply
by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2008 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that function next to the any key?
But seriously, does this SB Nation platform have an ignore function? Man, that would be great. Although those JD discussions would be just as unreadable with half the posts missing.
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I perfect my new keyboard design
I am going to market it along side Lacker toilet paper and get rich
by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for posting this
I of course was one of several that baited and responded. I really tried several times to be civil and adult like, but it got beyond ridiculous for all of us involved. I couln’t even try to talk to my friends on her without “you know who” butting in. I really love this place, love everyones debates and discussions and enjoy being a part of such a great community. It got out of hand today (look at the junk drawer…over 600 comments!).
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 30, 2008 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring trolls is a good policy, but in fact, I have never known it to work because
there is always, always a critical mass of people who just can’t let it go.
I’ve come around to the point of view that on sites like this you – the hosts and patrons – have a right to decide who our friends are and remove those whose company we don’t enjoy.
I know, it’s not all free speech and tolerance, but I come here for fun and relaxation, not for an exercise in self restraint. When it stops being fun, I’ll stop coming.
by raoulduke on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right to decide
As Dave mentioned below, I think a lot of care has to come from this “right to decide.” Rewarding positive interactions with responses and discussion, while ignoring attacking, and nonsensical comments is a good way of deciding.
I came to this site of my own free will and decided that I wanted to become part of the community. I think anyone else should be able to do the same…IF they agree to abide by the guidelines of this community.
I’m not sure if I’m agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. Haha. I’m trying to differentiate between an open community (which we are), and a clique (which doesn’t allow people in that they don’t like).
by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, but then Dave will threaten to ban those people for not ignoring as requested (happened to me!)
that’ll usually do it.
by Section323 on Oct 30, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tip
If you start to argue with an idiot its going to turn into a game of feelings, cuz idiots dont have logic.
by RipCity on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So can we talk about this team again..?
I’m trying not to jinx the troll-less environment by bringing up basketball BUT…
I want to know who thinks who is going to play how much and when :-)
by LetsBlaze on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is how this works.
There are several levels of response possible.
The first and best is some gentle suggestions and guidance in the thread itself. Many people attempt this. As long as you’re not being totally condescending doing it, bravo! If someone really is well-intentioned and just doesn’t understand the impact their words or phrasing are having this usually fixes things right up. I sometimes do this myself. HOWEVER I’ll only do it once or twice. After that it’s pearls before swine. But I’ve also found that if I’m not casting pearls the swine usually stops. This is where the ignore suggestion comes into play and it’s a decent one.
The next option is to flag. I try to moderate the blog every evening and I do check flagged comments. However I’ll usually only do it if a comment has two or more flags, so in order for this to be effective people need to take the flagging system seriously.
After I’ve checked the comments I make some kind of judgment call. I either do nothing, warn the person, or ban them. Being somewhat annoying, not having proper grammar, or spouting an unpopular view are not grounds for warning or banning. Personal attacks usually get warned at first. Flagrant awfulness gets you banned right away.
Here’s the tricky part. When there’s a back-and-forth, who do I warn or ban? This is another strong argument for not engaging trolls. If a guy (or gal) is out there just spouting stupidity into a vacuum and making the site look shabby it’s easy for me to warn and then toss him (or her). But if that same stupid guy is getting egged on and baited every third comment then I have to factor in that he was helped in his stupidity and it’s less easy to bring the hammer down. The reason I show restraint is because I do have the final and ultimate authority here and I’m careful not to abuse that. Even if I’m 99% sure that a guy is going to get banned from Post One (and it often shows) I still won’t actually do it until he’s shown that he’s worth it. If you’re making people doubt it’s him because you’re participating too, you’re putting off his exit instead of helping the situation.
If something needs immediate attention, either because of flagrancy or repetition, I always encourage people to e-mail me so I can check on it sooner. This is your third option.
Here’s the bottom line: the health of this community depends on you. I’d love to be here 24 hours a day making sure everything was hunky dory. Other people depend on me for other things and I can’t do that. It’s up to you whether this community continues to shine or devolves into the muck. How you handle trolls is a part of that. No troll in isolation can put a dent in what we’ve built here, but when the community starts believing in trolls and paying attention to trollish behavior more than it believes and pays attention to the mission of this site, we’re in trouble.
A fair note of warning to borderline folks in parting. Me not being here 24/7 means that your participation is like me leaving you in my house while I go to work. If I can’t leave you here without 92,000 complaints arising…if I have to come home and spend half an hour a day checking up on what you did…you have to go. I’m not taking time from my kid and family and Blazer research and writing and consulting with contacts just so I can make continual judgment calls after reviewing your comments. Even if nothing you say is over the line, being continually close enough to get negative attention will eventually get you booted as surely as swearing will.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Is this the most important part?
if I have to come home and spend half an hour a day checking up on what you did…you have to go. I’m not taking time from my kid and family and Blazer research and writing and consulting with contacts just so I can make continual judgment calls after reviewing your comments. Even if nothing you say is over the line, being continually close enough to get negative attention will eventually get you booted as surely as swearing will. —Dave
This totally seems like reason enough to ban the troll du jour. Also, thanks Dave!! Best internet site ever!!
by 50backflips on Oct 30, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is important
But every once in a while the troll du jour becomes a fantastic poster and that’s important too. Also people’s opinions of what constitutes trolling differs and I try to balance my own metric of “trollism” with patience and repeated data about how its affecting the community. That’s why I don’t tend to knee-jerk ban unless someone just tees off with flagrant violations of site policies.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merci beaucoup
I’ve wondered about the whole ignoring/saying something/flagging continuum, and this clears up a number of my questions (especially since the flagging option is relatively new). Can something along these lines be included in the Site Conversation Rules as a reference?
by Corvid on Oct 30, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Japan they say money before cats instead of pearls before swine
Interesting how they have the same concept here and turned it into a saying about valuables in front of an animal.
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way way way OT by the way
sorry for not giving the heads up.
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quoi???
lil help for frenchie, explain that all swine and twine with pearls thingy, i`m not getting the idea of that expression… I wonder if we have an equivalent in french?
Ati toi, fumier de lapin...
by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means you give them a gift
usually in the form of some kind of wisdom or respect, and they don’t reconize it as the ‘pearl’ that it is.
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and it's 'pearls before swine' not twine.
swine = pig
PS. Good English
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hummmm
sounds like that cats and dogs deal, very obscure!! trying to figure out a french equivalent but not sure yet… thanks for the help! taught me something new!
Ati toi, fumier de lapin...
by kidiblaze on Oct 30, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's raining cats and dogs?
I’ll let you in on where that came from. Back way back when, when roofs were made from straw, the animals of the house used to climb into them to keep warm. When it rained and the straw became wet and slippery, the animals would fall out. Thus raining cats and dogs. Glad I can teach someone some English while I’m here at work. These Japanese kids aren’t getting it no matter how much I beat them.
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me!!!
man that was good. I actually haven`t ever been able to find a person able to explain that one to me in over 5yrs being here… can`t believe that one of my forever unanswered question as been answered… scratching that one off my list… thanks dude… I`ll remember to hit you up for any further necessary clarifications of weird idioms….and stuff.
Ati toi, fumier de lapin...
by kidiblaze on Oct 31, 2008 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a slightly contrarian note
I will mention that on another sports blog, Lookout Landing (dealing with baseball and the Seattle Mariners) they are very quick to ban people who annoy the host or otherwise take an antagonistic tone — when this is how they are introducing themselves to the community.
First impressions count for a great deal.
ignacio
by ignacio on Oct 30, 2008 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
An open note to our new member
I haven’t been exactly kind to our new guest, it’s hard to be at times. I think there is a reason for that. I appologize if you feel attacked and try to state exactly what I see as the problem.
Last year when Oden went down, this was a place where I felt comfortable coming, where I could find other people who were hurting as much as me. This was the place for some perspective and wound liking. The problem with someone trashing our guys here after a bump in the road like this is that we’re all fans of that guy. Regardless of what happened in the past, we have to live with it as they are on our team for the forseeable future. We bought the stock, second guessing doesn’t change that. The jersey is on that person, and that means I take them in, the good with the bad until they prove me wrong. Oden has only played basketball and had some unfortnate injuries. He hasn’t taken everything we have given him and gotten himself into trouble or been lazy in his approach coughDariuscough. I, like almost everyone else here, want to believe that Oden can be the dominant big man that many predicted. So far in his career he has encountered some horrible setbacks. And I share his pain. I come here to find other people who are hurting like me. Instead, in the last few days, I feel like there has been some salt poured on an open wound. This is my biggest problem with what has been happening. I don’t mind differing opinions, and maybe you’re right, but honestly I could go to a number of other sites to hear people trashing the guy I and the rest of the city are resting our hopes on. I hope you can understand that.
There is a number of people who have different views on different players. I would be willing to engage an enlightening debate about them any time. Howeve, after an injury, people are hurt and have the tendency to put thier defences up. Please recognize that and try to be respectful of that. Thank you.
by einman77 on Oct 30, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 10 recs
well stated
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
This is not a good site if you care about your points to the exclusion of caring about people. It’s possible to be right and still be heinously wrong.
—Dave
by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to care about people?
Next you’re going to tell us we have to care about cats.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch, now I know how it feels
Interesting discussion well worth its time. I feel guilty about some posts I’ve made especially picking on certain others. But that has also been a part of my personality, I like to show my affection for others with a callous jab to the ribs occasionally. It may seem funny to me, but I’ve not always considered how it might be interpreted on the other end. I end up going back and apologizing just in case, and then feel bad. Trolling is a means of getting attention, and there are plenty of people who will take negative attention as an end to their means. I know Ive done it and Im even more dishonored by my own passive-aggressive remarks to others. I cant unring bells, but I can ring new ones.
I guess sometimes its hard for people to realize the things they say are often hurtful, offensive, and of poor taste. The flip side of that for me is that sarcasm is easy for me and usually how I communicate. I just expect everyone to get it when I am that way.
And YES I sincerely believe we have an obligation to care for our pets (especially cats) as much as we should each other, and ourselves.
"Meow" -- my cat Bonzi saying the future is not going to be the opening night game against the leagues prima donna. just like in the Olympics, it was all about kobe, so shall it be game one. But thats the way david stern wants it. the problem with that thinking is our window is opening and there window better be storm proofed
by bow4meow on Oct 31, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up until this week
There have been people I disagreed with on Blazers Edge, but never people I disliked.
The end of innocence, I suppose.
Intellect and charisma go a long way.
That said, I am my brother’s (or pet’s) keeper.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 31, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always respested your opinion on animals, even when we've disagreed.
So much so that I even bought a hamster and sacrificed in honor of you.
Man, there is a lot more blood in those things than I imagined. And it wasn’t exactly a clean kill. The little fella has thrashing around so much that the first thrust didn’t do the job. (I get shivers just recalling the high pitched squeal he made. At least I think it was a he.) Ruined a good shirt with all the blood stains.
btw – anybody interested in buying a tan colored polo shirt, size Large, for Halloween? It’s very nicely stained.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I often poke fun at the people I care most about. In person it’s usually obvious that you are doing it with love, but on the board it can easily be misinterpreted. (And moreso, often misinterpreted by “bystanders”.) So if I mention your typo or suspect grammar – I like you :-) Probably.
"That game sucked, but I saw so much that makes me wanna see the next game. ... There's so much to be excited about. I'm so happy to be a Blazer fan." - hobobob 10/28/08
by jorga on Oct 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If you are given lemmings - make lemming-ade"
Your own words. I know it, cause it was my signature for the past weeks until I kicked it to save place for a gameday thread. CAT POWER!
by Norsktroll on Oct 31, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was about to state what you’ve said here.
I think a lot of the emotional reaction recently comes from the real (though maybe a bit embarassing) hurt that comes from Oden going down. We love these guys, and their injuries are our injuries. In some way we’ve linked their fates with ours. This makes us vulnerable, but it’s also rewarding. The timing of the Oden-hate was troubling, and I hope that people aren’t lurking on this site waiting to say I told you so.
by MavetheGreat on Oct 30, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And especially, "I told you so" repeated on an endless loop on thread after thread.
One of the things that I enjoy about this site, and some other sports related sites, is that the conversation often rises well above the level of it’s putative subject. That’s cool.
Sometimes we need to establish the relative nature of the way we feel about things. When I say I hate the lakers,, well, that’s “sports-hate” not actual hate. Real hate is way too ugly to actually apply to people playing games for entertainment. And I’m pretty sure that all of us understand that.
What is disappointing is when the conversation sinks lower than the level one might expect from sports talk. When it becomes cruel, hate filled, childish, when the mockery or taunting or gloating goes beyond the sporting context.
by raoulduke on Oct 31, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent simile: like salt poured on an open wound
…and poured, and poured, and poured. In fact, since our latest troll has joined, it has been nonstop salt from post 1.
When I administered a well trafficked forum, I learned to have very little tolerance for people who upset the existing community from their first post. If someone had a history of contributing but occasionally rubbed people the wrong way, that was handled more leniently and cautiously. But order was much easier to maintain if the riff raff were quickly snuffed out, and the way I see it, the content of this guy’s message would fit in perfectly at O-Live. I suspect the reason he’s NOT over there is because they’re used to trolls and he doesn’t get the response he’s looking for.
by shralpster on Oct 30, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if i wanted constant flaming i’d go elsewhere…this site is too classy to let a few trolls take it down.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pouring salt on an open wound...
… is actually a good idea.
Helps to cauterize it.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe molten hot salt
wait….
that doesn’t sound like a good idea at all
WWKPD?
Ambassador to the Miami Heat
by Magnum on Oct 31, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? No bobbleheads this year?
I was looking forward to a Rudy Fernandez to go with my Sergio from last year. :-(
What’s the deal?
Was Damon really a bad Blazer, or did he get the short end of the stick?
by rpxxxiv on Oct 30, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
blame the bandwagoners
now that season tickets have sold out theres no incentive any more to get people to buy tickets bc they are all gone. that sucks that now that i have season tickets and get promo guarantees…there aren’t any promos.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh well...
still got chalupas… if we do at least as well as last year, that`ll get you at least….4 free chalups!!!
Ati toi, fumier de lapin...
by kidiblaze on Oct 31, 2008 1:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've apparently been banned from commenting on Truehoop.
I never found out why, either. I noticed that my comments wouldn’t post. When I emailed Henry, he didn’t know anything about it and forwarded me to some ESPN department, which informed me the reason I couldn’t post was I’d been banned. No other explaination.
I decided it wasn’t that big a deal, as I’d pretty much lost interest in participating in the comments section of Truehoop (though I still read Henry every day). I thought it went down hill after going national. What surprised me was that considering what I saw that passed for conversation, I had a hard time figuring out what I could have possibly posted that got me banned.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 31, 2008 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Good post. I had bad dealings on another blog, and it is helpful in case of a future instance.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Oct 31, 2008 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WAIT A MINNNNNNIUTE HERE!!!!
:(….
THAT HURTS DAVE!!
I feel….well….hurt. :( unless I’m one of the banned that get’s to turn into a great poster, and in that case, I’m glowing with a fat head that I don’t deserve…..
so just what are you trying to say…hummmmm?
:)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 1, 2008 7:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem
The problem with Just Ingore The Troll" is the same as “Just Say No” it’s a perfectly beautiful and ultimately functional answer to the problem. However if there are people stupid enough to troll in Blazer Edge then there are also people perhaps innocent in intentions but also stupid enough to respond.
Layer after layer it becomes more and more complicated. I’ve never trolled in Blazers Edge but I would assume I’ve posted opinions others at least found irritating. Geesh, Dave hasn’t responded to anything I’ve posted ever since I tried to sneek Moses Malone on my Blazer team. Oh well, ignoring is good for the individual but probably not a good enough answer to the problem as a whole. I enjoy the conversation and opinions in here but perhaps I take a different approach. Someone would really have to cross the line for me to think it worth flagging when ignoring does seem so much simpler and nearly as affective for me personally.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Nov 1, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I know who y'all are talking about
but what did I miss? I had a few exchanges with BR! and while he did sound like a one-trick pony and shill for the political far right, I hope he wasn’t excommunicated simply because his political opinions aren’t popular here and he addresses everyone as bro and dude. Did he do something worse than just not bow at the feet of a popular ideology?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Nov 1, 2008 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't the politics
At least, I don’t think so. That was in the junk drawer and was too silly to take seriously anyways.
Most of his stuff in an Oden-related thread was deleted so I ain’t sure, but it was probably because he wasn’t really willing to talk back and forth, and just repeating why Oden is probably going to die of a broken down body soon. Not really debating, just talkin’.
I’m assuming he stepped up his game a bit to get deleted, and I’m sure it wasn’t really politically related (unless he stepped up his game there as well).
I tried to engage him and discuss his point of view, but I don’t think he’s really into discussing it aside from repeating it over and over.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 2, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BR! was O-un-done.
FREE SERGIO -- Trade Him or Cut Him NOW!!!
by timbo on Nov 2, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice 'un! Rec'd.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mort.
It was probably all the bros and dudes that did him in. I haven’t seen so many BEdgers get so aggravated since McCain named Palin as his running mate.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2008 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I went on vacation at the best possible time
I missed a lot of panic at the Blazers Edge.
This space for rent.
by tominhawaii on Nov 2, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More aggravation than panic. It was actually pretty funny.
A new guy started commenting right and left on a Junk Drawer, addressing everyone as dude and bro. He had a lot of critical things to say about San Franciscans and Critical Mass (most of which I agreed with), and he seemed very willing to light it up with everyone who disagreed with anything he said. Mort’s right in that he just kept repeating his assertions and generalizations instead of having a real conversation.
OTOH, some BEdgers responding to him seemed to me too easily offended. So what if he calls everyone dude or bro? Maybe he’s from Hawaii. I thought we could have worked him in, settled him a bit, and got him to start participating in normal conversations, but Dave yanked the plug on him so that’s that. And I have no problem with Dave doing that. He’s got better things to do than spend his limited free time monitoring one guy and reading through complaints about him.
Saw your photo. You could be the twin brother of a late friend of mine.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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