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Today's Poll

Nate is taking heat for all sorts of stuff after the brutal loss to the Lakers. 

There seem to be 3 major points of contention...

1) Batum didn't start.  For a number of reasons: Outlaw is better off the bench, the second unit is more cohesive when Outlaw is the 6th man, Batum is the defense-first 3 that we need and like, Brandon endorsed Nic, etc.

2) Nate waffled on whether to start Batum or Outlaw.  Some seem to hold Nate's indecision against him more than the decision.  It's hard for a coach to throw a young player to the wolves.  But to get his hopes up and then throw a 180 at him at the last possible moment?  That doesn't help much either.

3) Duct-taping Sergio to the bench, despite his promising preseason.  Was it that errant alleyoop that got under Coach's skin?  Sergio barely played and it sounds like he wasn't entirely thrilled about that.

Now that there's a little bit of separation from the emotional torture of Tuesday night, which one of those 3 issues has you second-guessing Nate the most? 

Vote then vent in the comments...

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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What was the biggest mistake?
Not Starting Batum.
263 votes
Waiting so long to announce that Batum wasn't going to start.
220 votes
Tight-leashing Sergio.
298 votes
I ride with Nate, he handled things fine.
372 votes

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It's the waffling that bugs me.

What did Nate know on the day of the game that he didn’t know the previous week? It almost smacks of Nate being a victim of a Phil Jackson mind game, except Jackson never said a word.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2008 10:36 AM PDT   0 recs

definitely uncharacteristic of nate, the waffling was baffling…

honor terry porter

by Ben. on Oct 30, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So close to rhyming, Ben

so close.

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 30, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It was good

eye-rhyme

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Nate gave that speech to his team about how he was nervous, but not as nervous as some seasons because he believes in these players. Then he’s right off the bat second-guessing himself and making last minute decisions….It would see that the players weren’t the only one’s “playing” with a little butterflies that first game. Calm down Nate, relax. Stick to the game plan.

by MattyDread on Oct 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Couldn’t care less about Tuesday’s loss. But they signed Batum, started him in scrims, and raved on and on about his defensive potential. I’d expect that if you’re building for the long term and you believe in this kid – wouldn’t you insert him into the starting lineup now to accelerate his improvement and team cohesion? The starting unit needs a lock down defender who picks up the trash.

In addition, we know what Travis is and what he will be – an athletic dunker who shoots 19 footers. Would be great to have him bring his energy off of the bench. His help defense is average while his one on one D is very suspect.

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Oct 30, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just writing a "trade nate for real change"

post. But clearly it will not be necessary.

I wanted to vote for all options. I think this was bad bad bad decision making that revealed several issues.

1. nate does not have confidence in the endorsement of his star (broy doesnt aimlessly <3 rookie players just because )
2. Nate bloody murdered Nic’s confidence in his self and his coach. Rebuilding that will be tough.
3. Nate revealed his lack of confidence in his own decision making.
4. Nate is the Head Coach and although he sucked it big time I have no doubt KP cursed him out solid .

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 10:40 AM PDT   0 recs

Yeah unless Nic was like

COACH DONT START ME!!!! IM SCARED!!!

I would have let Batum start and 5 minutes later you can put in Outlaw if you want.

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

I double Batum said that…

But yeah I know what you mean about putting outlaw in later. I think Batum could have done a very serviceable job at guarding the perim…clearly better than Outlaw who did a terrible job .

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On the other hand

Outlaw was the only offensive threat in the game….

Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. - Ben G.

by jamon51 on Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rudy looked pretty threatening on offense too

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Oct 30, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

but I meant with the starters.

Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. - Ben G.

by jamon51 on Oct 30, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gotcha

But I seem to recall that most of his offensive threat and production didn’t come when playing with the starters, but when playing with mostly bench guys, or at least a comibnation of the two.

I could be wrong though.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Oct 30, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are exactly right

did anyone notice that he looked TERRIBLE on defense..

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's true

Which is why the starters stunk it up. Outlaw couldn’t play his game with them, nor any of the starters.

Really, the most effective unit seemed to be Fernandez, Przybilla, Outlaw.

Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. - Ben G.

by jamon51 on Oct 30, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

all this nate criticisim, I am surprised, it was one game

and I had a feeling they were going to throw a wrench in the machine and make it look like a surprise move. Oh Fakers, you think Batum is starting, well, BAM, Troutlaw is now! And then, BAM, it back fires like an old jalopy and we all become critics who could of have predicted the future would of have been different if we had stayed the course. Sorry yall, but everyone is over reacting, but at least we’re doing something, instead of sitting idle and nodding our heads in agreement to everything we see.

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by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 30, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not only batums confidence

but sergios as well…

imagine hearing your boss tell you that you need to put your hard work in and earn your promotion…and then finally you do all the training you need and get your diploma, and when you come back to work he doesnt deliver on his promise and lets the new guy get the promotion?

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmmm depends

on what my strengths and weaknesses are…

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll give Nate a mulligan

One game, he’s been known to adjust to what works. If Sergio plays well and helps the team, he’ll get more minutes. If starting Outlaw doesn’t mesh well, he’ll go back to the bench. I think Nate will eventually find the best lineups.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 30, 2008 10:48 AM PDT   0 recs

...

Everyone bitches about poor fast break. Get Sergio in there, we will get it running good & quick.

Start Sergio. Blake can't run the fast break for ****

by TheGreatDane17 on Oct 30, 2008 10:48 AM PDT   0 recs

agreed

bayless’ defense has not proved to be far superior so far this season. Hell sergio even outplayed bayless against deron williams.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was going to vote for the Sergio option, but...

I got to thinking, the point at which Sergio typically would have come into the game in the second half, the game had gotten incredibly sloppy, and I don’t know that I disagree with not throwing Sergio into an already sloppy situation.

formerly fromagnon

by The Arkitect on Oct 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT   0 recs

But I think playing with Rudy

the sloppiness factor goes down, significantly. He could have taken a couple more shots and he probably would have made a couple unlike Bayless . I think if Sergio is going to be the #2 pg he needs to have PT to develop a trust with that 2nd unit. Bayless is not ready, he dribbles w/ his head down he takes random shots and cant see any open oppurtunities when they are there. Sergio should have played way more.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Bayless didn't play until Garbage time

While I agree that Sergio and Rudy make a beautiful pair on the court, I think right now Roy has to be considered the #2 PG. With the rotation Nate has right now, Sergio is not going to get #2 minutes, and that’s not neccesarily a bad thing depending on the situation

formerly fromagnon

by The Arkitect on Oct 30, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok i will agree with ya about Roy.

I kind of forgot about him, not in a bad way, but in the PG discussion. Sometimes though, Roy needs to do what he does , create his own shot etc. . . Bayless is garbage minutes should have gone to Sergio though. What difference would it have made?

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ya but Sergio isn't the All-Star on the Blazers

He doesn’t need the rest during a blowout, he needs court time, more so than Bayless as Nate is going to use him as the back up point while Bayless is mainly going to see Garbage time this year. A line up of, Sergio, Bayless, Rudy, Outlaw, and Fry would have been fine, small but fine.

by usmcr3049 on Oct 30, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that is probably one of the best posts i've seen you make sophia.

your level of respect just went up a few notches for me. not that it was ever low or anything.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well thank you Philthy

:)

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

voted Sergio

I was surprised to see him get so little burn with the second team, honestly.

I was more astonished by how flat the team played. GO in there was almost a negative compared with how the team was playing through the good runs last year, and at the end of last season.

One game does not a season make, though. Turn it around tomorrow night!

by Doug-e-Fresh on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT   0 recs

I like that Nate trusted his gut...

I’ve often thought he is too unwilling to adapt on the fly. His support of Blake as his starter because he’s steady ( meaning he can’t or won’t shoot ) and he runs the offence ( meaning he doesn’t turn the ball over, so therefore won’t take any risks) , is a good example. The team is back to where they where the last couple of years now, with a center and a point who don’t score, so teams can double Roy and LA at will. Friday will be a big test for this team and Nate may need to get creative or it will be a replay of the L*ker game. I for one, like Bayless v.s. Parker a lot better than Blake.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Oct 30, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

situational

if there was a situation to use bayless…it’d be against parker you are correct. nate was still wrong in giving the garbage time minutes to bayless against the lakers however.

pg situation would hopefully work like this
blake starting…sergio for relief…after 8 mins or so if sergio is performing…keep him in. if he isnt then depending on how blakes energy level or foul situation is use bayless or put back in blake.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree with prez

I am with ya on this prez….. Go confidently with Nic…as previously stated and announced….then, if things don’t shake…then go with a substitution with Travis…I think there would have been more movement on offense…slashing, rebounds etc… and the defense would have improved. We got blown out anyways…I doubt Nic starting would have changed that….Now what do we do? Do we start Nic tonight and the yank him…if he is not confident? This is definitely a learning experience…just not sure if it was positive.

by blazersrock on Oct 30, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Sergio...

I was unsure about why Sergio wasn’t out there… was he too tentative when he did play? Did Nate want defense? We were struggling to score more than defend… He’s said Sergio is in the rotation ahead of Bayless.

by ranma on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 AM PDT   0 recs

i think that is the main cause of criticism

nate has 2nd guessed himself a lot over the years…don’t get me wrong he has done great things here, but his own lack of confidence in his decisions has been frustrating as a fan. i can picture bayless taking the 2nd spot from sergio regardless of him earning it or not.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All of the above.

At the end of the day, the lasting image of that game (other than the whole Oden grimmacing in pain thing) was the L@kers seemed to swarm the ball for the first 3 quarters. They were everywhere. We hoisted forced shots at the end of the shot clock.

I was surprised by the timing and the decision to sit Nic as well as Sergio’s playing time (usually I’m on eggshells when he’s in the game… but I actually was wondering where he was).

I don’t think any choice Nate could have made differently would’ve altered the outcome.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 30, 2008 11:16 AM PDT   0 recs

Nothing here

1. Poor prep
2. Lack of reaction to Laker “D”( which was the main reason we looked so bad)
3. No game time adjustments
4, Nate got locked up emotionally in the hype and never returned to earth

The 4 pole choices are merely an afterthought or a product of burying your head in the sand and hoping for the best….very , very, very, unprofessional and total lack of structure and organization….The whole team and coaching staff should be embarrassed by this episode (hopefully just one episode)….their promise to us should be….We stunk and we owe everyone an apology for this poor showing and….this will never happen again (this meaning this type of approach will never happen again…..

by 67 on Oct 30, 2008 11:23 AM PDT   0 recs

You know it's a good poll when

the four answers are all getting a relatively equal number of votes. Good work there.

I went with Sergio, but the last second lineup change deserved some mention as well.

The option to start Batum went down with Oden though. We simply can’t afford to play 3 on 5 on offense to start the game, that puts way too much defensive pressure on LMA and Brandon. Outlaw is the starting at least until Greg comes back. I wouldn’t mind seeing Batum getting some run with a 2nd unit of Sergio/Rudy/Frye and maybe Outlaw or LMA coming back in after an early rest. That unit should really be able to run, and I’d like to see them given a bit of free reign to do so.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Oct 30, 2008 11:24 AM PDT   0 recs

None of the above.

The problem with Nate, as it has been for years now, is we don’t have an offensive game plan other than shooting long distance two pointers in a half-court set, the least efficient offense there is.

We will never win a championship living on a steady diet of long distance two pointers.

by howlingfantods on Oct 30, 2008 11:32 AM PDT   0 recs

My main issue with Nate

Was how he handled Batum and Sergio, both for the same reason, confidence. He had built up both of them during the preseason, telling them they would start, and be the 2nd PG on this team, then he pull the rug out from underneath them sending them crashing down. But I already stated why I feel this way so i will just copy/paste from another thread where I posted it.

“3) Nate’s choice to start Outlaw over Batum. Not because Batum would be a better choice, but because of the message it sends. Batum had been playing over his head in the preseason and camp, enough so that 2 weeks before the season started, Nate started running him with the 1st unit, BRoy gave him his stamp of approval, and Nate named him the starter for the 1st game. Then on the day of the game he yanks him and starts Outlaw. This could have disrupted the 1st team’s offense, and Outlaw had not practiced with them at all for the most part, and even though he had a good game, all of his shots were the one on one type, and did not come in any type of offensive flow. Maybe that contributed to BRoy and LMA’s off nights, maybe not. It also told Batum that his coach thinks he can’t handle it, after 2 weeks of telling him he could. Actions speak louder that words my momma said, I hope Batum’s confidence can handle that and still come out and play well when we need him.
3) Not playing Sergio more than 4 mins. Nate needs to let go of this team. He reminds me of Avery Johnson that way, he just can’t let the team play, he has to have control over it at all times. Last season this team played it’s best when Nate took off the reigns a bit in December. In the case of Sergio, his confidence is kinda shaky, although he had a good preseason, he is still feeling his way, benching him after 4 mins, (basically playing him the exact same way he did last year) does nothing but take a hammer to the glass and break the momention Sergio had going. More so, the team can see that, and see that Nate is still holding on very tight to the team. During Nate’s interview he said the team needed to slow down, which I am not sure was the case. They were all admittedly nervous or amped up for the game, which can lead to playing too fast. But the 1st qtr saw more bricks and players over running a play, or taking rushed shots. Maybe he meant they need to calm down, I can only hope.”

by usmcr3049 on Oct 30, 2008 11:53 AM PDT   1 recs

i totally agree

nate handled the situation poorly.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

None of the above (2)

I would have liked to see a three-guard lineup with Rudy, Roy and Blake, with Outlaw, Bayless and Sergio coming in off the bench. That puts the best players out there, and gives us a chance to use quickness to challenge the L*kers defense, which had our offense smothered.

by Kaboomm on Oct 30, 2008 11:58 AM PDT   0 recs

B-Roy and LA lost this game no nate

They shot 9/27 and most all of Brandon points were made in garbage time.

I would guess Nate pulled Sergio because of his lack of defense.

That would also explain why he went with Jerryd in the 4th.

by Boomshanka on Oct 30, 2008 12:09 PM PDT   0 recs

i am not convinced that

jerryd played better defense…jerryd may be more intense when he is playing d, by playing physical and bumping…but if you noticed jordan farmar got to the rack with ease when he had the ball. against the smaller quicker guards this year…sergio>bayless. will sergio keep it up defensively? i think not…especially after his confidence was just shot and he has already became vocal about his disappointment in his position. but based on performance this year sergio has not performed poorly on defense compared to bayless. sergio stopped deron williams…not bayless.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yuppers on the bayliss "d"

if you call..getting in the guys jock at mid court …and then running along side him to the hoop is better “d”…then ok…..but his ball handling skills are not even close to sergio’s.

by blazersrock on Oct 30, 2008 12:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Paleeeese.

I did like the way bayless knocks that ball off his foot….

I mean seriously, almost every single game…he’s got a stat of like 0.9 balls bouncing off foot per game.

SERGIO IS GETTING HOSED HERE…..

if anyone didn’t notice we were getting our Butts handed too us, and instead of trying to score more points we put in a “defensive” pg?…..WE NEEDED POINTS!!!! (I don’t wanna hear about how bayless get’s to the line, cuz I saw him get manhandled in the paint, with all sorts of body contact, but he could sell the call)

Nate just hates on sergio. I’m convinced. :0 (not really but still, he needs to get more floor time)

;)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Oct 30, 2008 12:31 PM PDT   0 recs

could= couldn't sell the call.....oops ;(

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Oct 30, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i think he does hate sergio

there is always a double standard when it comes to sergio.
last year when offense was needed…sergio wasnt in the game
when he outplayed jack for not only 1 game but like 3 games in a row, he didnt get to play
when he commits a few turnovers he gets yanked…but when jack steps out of bounds or commits turnovers jack got to stay in.

There was only 1 game late last year (against atl i think) where sergio kicked so much ass that nate was forced to play him during crunch time alongside brandon. it was like the first time all year after the streak.

the man has earned his minutes fair and square this year…no one an dispute that RIGHT NOW sergio is better. in the future who knows, but right now he is better and he deserves a shot. the excuses nate made for not playing sergio in the final preseason games contradict what he has time and time again said that sergio is the 2nd pg. hell i was begining to worry late in the preseason that this would happen.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah!

he’s our second string pg…..he should be playing if blake is not. . . . . . (periods)

He has yet to complain (majorly) about a situation that I would be SCREAMING about.

We’re just one blake injury away from being vindicated though…so I ain’t too worried…

but still….FREE SERGIO!!!!

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Oct 30, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if sergio

got the PT that bayless got so far last year…i think there’d be a lot less angry sergio fans.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Where is AS11OSU?

This post was tailor made for him..

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 12:37 PM PDT   0 recs

WHY IS NATE NOT TRUSTING HIS PLAYERS?

One thing a good coach must give to his players is confidence…what Nate did with Sergio is completely absurd. He trusted him during the preseason and he was shining, playing better…. Now the real thing comes and he leaved him on the bench, cause playing just what he played is like nothing. NATE WAKE UP!!! Sergio needs court time and he won’t deceive anyone. And you need to trust your players, you don’t make sense you are not helping our team.

by Go Blazers on Oct 30, 2008 12:42 PM PDT   0 recs

i would guess his lack of trust

is due to the teams youth. its no different than a parent protecting their kids well past the age they needed to be protected. i agree with you on nate’s handling of the situation tho.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET A STARTING PG...

IF NATE KEEPS EM ON THE BENCH IN FAVOR OF THE “average” STEVE BLAKE….

don’t get me wrong I love blake….but sergio can’t get better competing against the same guys in practice…..

if nate would play sergio more….he’d get alot better.

FREE SERGIO!

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Oct 30, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i dont mind starting blake

blake does give us the best chance of winning…but there needs to be a balance of spreading the minutes out. i am comfortable with the amount of minutes steve got last game. 24…enough to be productive and develop a rhythm…but not enough minutes to hinder the progression of others. as far as minutes go…if the team was completely healthy i would want blakes minutes to mirror the amount joel would get…in the mid 20s somewhere.

starting blake in the first quarter probably helps the team get off to a consistent start…sergio seems streaky and if he goes on a bad streak it could cause us to be stuck in a hole we might not be able to dig out of.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not Ready

We just didn’t look like we belong on the same court with the L*kers the other night. I think a major part of it (67 had some good thoughts in his comment) was that the approach the pre-season needs to change. Pre-season should be used to get everybody on the same page, up to game speed, and into game shape. Instead, the approach seems to be, let’s not play our starters because we don’t want them hurt.
I can understand the fear, I just don’t think you can play that way and be successful early in the season. When you consider we were going to have 2 rookie starters, that starting group needs time to get accustomed to each other.

So not only did we fail in that (partly due to injuries), but we ended up changing the lineup the day of the game. The Blazers didn’t look ready, while the L*kers looked like a well-oiled machine.

Add that to our lack of adjusting to the defense, and settling for many poor shots, and it was a disaster. The L*kers shot above average, and we shot below average, so that obviously factors in as well.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Oct 30, 2008 12:49 PM PDT   0 recs

My tendency in all this fanstuff

is to give things time to develop, players time to grow, not rush into trade talk and so forth.

But the last minute decision on Batum/Travis was just so bad on so many levels I have to admit it’s got me looking at Nate a lot more critically. I’m not screaming for heads on a stick, but this decision was, to me, a red flag. It means stop and pay close attention.

by raoulduke on Oct 30, 2008 12:55 PM PDT   0 recs

ya

i dont think people are wanting for nates head…they are just questioning him on his game time decision making…which has always been sort of spotty. i’m sure nate will redeem himself. it seems like to me nate overthinks things and does not have full confidence in his decisions. on 955 the game nate said he spent all night not able to sleep because he ran thru situations regarding trout and batum…thats not exactly what i want to hear from a coach.

if he made a decision…stuck with it and it turned out wrong…admit you are wrong and move on. i can accept that. leaders need to be decisive.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's the best quality?

Custer was pretty decisive. “W” has been very decisive in his presidency also. He is the “decider.” I wouldn’t call that his best quality. I have seen a lot of decisive people who were just pain clueless as to what was going on. Not someone I’d choose to follow, since I knew they didn’t know what they were talking about.

I think leaders need to be flexible, and willing to change a decision if need be. Decisivness is just one of many qualities a leader needs, but certainly not the most important.

This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"

by GameFace on Oct 30, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Knowing when to be decisive

is decidedly more important than being decisive.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nate's fine, his team was overmatched. Stop the madness.

I think it’s funny there are people that exist who think starting Batum and bringing Outaw off the bench would’ve made a bit of difference against the Lakers. Where’s the sanity?

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 30, 2008 1:18 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't think many are saying that...

I’m certainly not. Blazers were gonna lose that game either way. What I hear people saying is that the last minute change felt like Nate was panicking, undid two weeks of practice, and may have screwed up the confidence of more than one player, and left B Roy out on an island looking stoopid for backing Nate’s play the whole previous week.

by raoulduke on Oct 30, 2008 1:26 PM PDT   0 recs

so quick to cast judgement

… are we the most impatient people, because we are Blazer fans, or just because we are like most other “instant gratification” Americans?

Even good teams get blown out by bad teams at times. So much second guessing already. Not starting Batum should not be a blow to his confidence. He is a young rookie that never played college ball. The fact that he made the team this year and was even considered to be a potential starter should boost confidence. This is such a minor issue. Much less than someone calling Greg’s play underwhelming. Batum wouldn’t have played big minutes anyway. Is Nic’s confidence more important that Travis’s?

Even the most decisive person can has doubts about certain issues. So Nate changed his mind. It happens. That isn’t what lost the game. The Blazers simply played poorly as a team. They weren’t mentally ready for the intensity. And they lost to the team most pick to win it all,… on the road. I like to have high expectations, but at least make them realistic.

There are a few more issues that are more important. One might be the notion that Greg would be better served to come off the bench for awhile. Maybe he should operate on the premise that players earn time. I love Greg and think he is the right pick, but bringing him off the bench for awhile might work.

There are some things I’d like to see the Blazer staff emphasizing with his training. Things can can hlep him earn the start. One is a combination of aerobic and anaerobic workouts. Cardio base with wind sprints and such. I know they get some in practice, but by season’s start, players should really be in game shape.

The thing other is repetitive work on a couple of shots until they make him sick. The jump hook and a short turn around. Shots, shots, and more shots. First with no pressure to start the muscle memory, then with someone guarding him. Over and over again. When trainging for skilled physical tasks, the key is to learn it, then forget it. The point is if you have to think about it, you are too slow. The object is to become instinctive without conscious thought.

Lastly, there are players in the league that gets lots of team coddling, because management deems the player a franchise player. All well and good, but injury and pain over the season are facts. Some players playe better through pain. Allen Iverson plays with pain as well as anyone. I am not a huge personal fan, but he is a warrior. I hope managemnt will let some of the big name payers play through some of their aches and pains, but after making sure there is something seriously wrong first.

I guess I should expect that fan sites will have fans with extreme reactions. The loss is very disappointing, and I was pretty grumpy watching the game, after a deep breath, it all fits into a laerger perspective. That being said, all of the things in this poll aren’t worth polling about.

This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"

by GameFace on Oct 30, 2008 1:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm with raoulduke on this one...

These things are red flags. It’s not that anyone has given up on Nate. It’s not that we would have beaten the Lakers. It doesn’t have to be in order to observe that he has made some strange decisions the last couple of days and that in general, the team looked poorly prepared and out of sync on opening night. These are areas that point to coaching. We don’t know, but it sure looked like there were some confidence issues playing out on the court,,,

If you read a lot of these posts carefully, you will see that they are walking that line of drawing to attention to Nate’s decision-making without condemning or judging him. It is possible to do this!

by Blazin' on Oct 30, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sergio needs to get some time

bayless is a talent, but since hes on the rookie pay scale he is under contract for 2 years with a team option for more i think, sergio has worked hard all summer on all the things which were considered weaknesses, plus i think this is the last year of his current contract?

they gotta give him a chance or else we will have wasted years of his nba career, and thrown away a few million as well. even a consistent 15-20 mins per game, maybe more or less depending on how hes going is better than the inconsistency of last season.

i think he honestly represents the up tempo game we sorely need, perhaps not amongst the starters, but for the 2nd unit where that type of speed against tired starters or cold reserves would positively impact the game.

just my 2c

by Yawnie on Oct 30, 2008 2:19 PM PDT   0 recs

Sergio has two more years on his contract (this year and next).

Bayless has two more years plus two more potential years on his contract.

by poster on Oct 30, 2008 2:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade Value

I think Nate saw this as an opportunity to show the national audience including coaches and execs that Outlaw is a starter and wanted to bump up Outlaw’s trade value. We all knew that Jack was the next guy to go and guess what…he went. Now we all have the feeling that Outlaw doesn’t fit in the championship picture and guess what…he’s next.

It would not have helped his trade value to come off the bench behind young rookie from France who looked TERRIBLE in summer league. Travis is going in to his 6th year, other teams saw that game and trust me, KP will be reminding them of games like this when Outlaw and Raef are on the block in early 2009.

#5

by Kelsoballa on Oct 30, 2008 4:49 PM PDT   0 recs