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Tanks > Humvees

I have seen so many people call Greg Oden injury prone. I've even heard one "expert" say quote,

Here’s what the Blazers do know: They can’t depend on their young center. Not yet, at least. Maybe not ever.

And if you're like me, you've heard all the "shoulda' drafted Kevin Durant!" talk. And the "Why'd the Blazers draft a center? Everyone knows centers are injury prone" talk.

It's nonsense. Pure nonsense. For three reasons. 

Reason One: Unfair Comparison (The Center is Your Tank)

You know what, they're right. Centers are injury prone. If you compare them to guards. If you compare them to forwards. But that's wrong.

Comparing Greg Oden or any center to a guard or forward is like comparing an M1 Abrams tank to a Humvee. It's just not a fair straight-up comparison. If you want to call him injury prone, compare him to other centers, like Blodgett did.

The thing is, tanks break down. They are more susceptible to breaking this, twisting a that, smashing a one of those....but does that mean you don't want them in your army? By no means! Everyone knows that one, well-oiled tank can be worth a thousand humvees. You bring a tank into battle knowing it's going to break down and knowing it's going to take 4 gallons of diesel to the mile. 

The center position in the NBA is a nitty, gritty, position where there's a lot of rumbling. There's battle going on. Guards are going to be less prone to injury because they aren't getting body-slammed to the floor by Andrew Bynum three times a game. They aren't getting the ball smashed into their face by Shaquille. They aren't taking elbows to the neck on a regular basis. The center is the tank of the NBA, so you take what you can, and make do with what else you've got when your tank is down for repairs. Praise be that we have two tanks in Greg and Joel, so if one's down, the other is up and ready to roll.

 

Reason Two: Unfair Expectations (You're Throwing the Weight of the World On a Recruit)

Greg Oden is what? A rookie. Meaning:

rook⋅ie

 [rook-ee] –noun

1. an athlete playing his or her first season as a member of a professional sports team: The rookie replaced the injured regular at first base.
2. a raw recruit, as in the army or on a police force.
3. a novice; tyro


Origin:
1890–95; alter. of recruit; see -y

Notice the word comes from the word "recruit." Greg Oden is a new recruit--not an officer, not a commander, not a general--a recruit. And sometimes, recruits get hurt on the first day of battle. Sometimes they may even get hurt in boot camp. Does that mean they're not worthy soldiers? I would say no, unless they're faking it because they're afraid of battle, which I don't think ANYONE would accuse Greg Oden of. You just move on and wait to fight another day, letting your officers and generals (that is, your veteran fighters--B-Roy, LMA, Joel, Travis, Blake) lead the way. A recruit shouldn't feel the weight of an entire war on his shoulders, no matter how skilled he is.

Reason Three: The Season and His Career Are Young (The Battle Has Just Begun)

We are one game into a season of 82 games. Or if you want to look at Oden's career as a whole, assuming a 15-year career, he's approximately 1/15 of the way through his career.

It's just the beginning. Luke doesn't defeat Vader in Episode 4--it takes him three movies to do it. Let's give Oden some time, ehh? Because he wasn't strong enough to bring balance to the Force right off the bat, do you give up on him? Give him some time!

To return to the tank analogy, if he finally goes out to battle in year two and the machine gun turret is gummed up, do you give up and hand your enemy a $15 million dollar tank in exchange for a few ATVs and Humvees simply because the tank isn't operable at the moment? 

I'd stick with the tank.

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not only are you right, you are right with nice shiny pictures. Seriously though, awesome job.

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by Zaron5551 on Oct 30, 2008 1:01 PM PDT   0 recs

Great Post!

Well-written arguments with great analogies, and great graphics to boot!

by Blodgett on Oct 30, 2008 1:02 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah

This post is not only cogent, it’s incredibly well formatted.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2008 1:08 PM PDT   0 recs

So fun

Good work!

by fatwansaboni on Oct 30, 2008 1:18 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

Great. Call SportsIllustrated. they should be buying you lunch.

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by Y5k on Oct 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT   0 recs

excellent

post.

I've made eye contact with Chris Dudley....twice.

by RoodiePhirnandizz on Oct 30, 2008 1:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Thank you.

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by Winchester on Oct 30, 2008 1:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Amazing post.

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by Winchester on Oct 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Good stuff, Prez

just like always!

by lefty6283 on Oct 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT   0 recs

OM G brilliant

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 30, 2008 1:39 PM PDT   0 recs

that's just terrible

do those even work against tanks?

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by Magnum on Oct 30, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm I believe those were ‘sticky’ bombs. (saving private ryan?)

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by RoysBlazers on Oct 31, 2008 12:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That was fun

thanks for the read!

Like I’ve been saying, Oden will be fine.

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by iDea on Oct 30, 2008 2:13 PM PDT   0 recs

good work.

very… colorful. Quite professional looking, as well.

You a graphic designer?

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 30, 2008 2:22 PM PDT   0 recs

thanks, and nah...not into graphic design....I'm just a novice

I’m just hoping Ben doesn’t show up. I still thinks he’s weeping from not getting his wish.

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 2:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is awesome

and while the content isn’t necessarily unprecedented, the presentation and wordsmithery is!

by Grey Home on Oct 30, 2008 2:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Very good

Worth another rec

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by jamon51 on Oct 30, 2008 3:21 PM PDT   0 recs

I was like, why so many rec's?!?!

now I see, the prez has internet AND writing skills!

nice job my young padowan

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by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 30, 2008 3:54 PM PDT   0 recs

He's a tank that will become a nuclear bomb?

So, Greg is a transformer?

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by Magnum on Oct 30, 2008 5:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The tank analogy is specious.

A far better analogy is the linemen v. “skill players” of football. The fight is more brutal in the trenches is the point, and that’s true. And it causes more injuries…

The Blazers problem is they have two 6’11" linemen who are convinced they are “skill players” and a coach who encourages them. And the coach also plays a “skill player” on the line once in a while in pursuit of a desire for ultra-mobility — a desire most assuredly NOT borne out by the plodding half-court, jump shooting play of the team.

Centers aren’t tanks and guards aren’t humvees.

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by timbo on Oct 30, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way, on the modern battlefield, anything that can be seen can be easily destroyed from the air...

Tanks are pretty much a waste of money.

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by timbo on Oct 30, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you're such a fun-killer

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 9:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats the timbo we all know and love...

Mr. Contrarywise aka Captain Buzzkill

j/k :)

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by LaMarvelous on Oct 30, 2008 10:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

.......lol

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

..............yah he's

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

..........a

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

..............................................buzz killer

with all his dot dot dots hahhaha

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just kidding

I love Timbo

Not as much as Mortimer though

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 31, 2008 5:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It looks like the Modern battlefield

is becoming guerrilla warfare. The risk of escalation from a WW2 style conflict (that is, large armies operating in relatively open space) to a nuclear war is too high. I seriously doubt we’ll see a large scale war barring a fight over scarce resources, like oil in 75 years or so. The modern battlefield is turning into small scale conflicts which can’t be fought effectively through the air and just barely effectively with our tanks.

Also, you have to have some degree of air superiority to make tanks completely useless. And, it wouldn’t really be possible to conduct war, in the traditional sense, without armored ground units.

And if you’re really want to take this much further than necessary, one could argue that any form of war is a waste of money, therefore tanks are a waste of money.

I only replied because this was underneath my absolutely HILARIOUS comment about Greg being a transformer.

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by Magnum on Oct 30, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha Hilariousness is relative

and you’re it’s uncle

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 11:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

RIght and that's why

Nazi germany was able to defeat England during world war II. There relentless air campaign easily won and occupied the island. Not a good analogy brother not good at all. A tank is EXTREMELY useful in occupying an area where as an F-16 is not. Different needs for different situations. It’s sort of like rock paper scissors.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Oct 31, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so is oden rock, paper, or scissors?

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 31, 2008 1:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been doing

Cowbow, Bear, Ninja instead of the traditional rock, paper, scissors game.

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by Magnum on Oct 31, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Surfer/wave/babe is always a good bet

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 31, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Babe beats Surfer
Babe loses to Wave

Surfer loses to Babe
Surfer beats Wave

Ehh? Am I right?

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 31, 2008 5:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

right on bruh

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 31, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the English navy

is about the only thing that stopped Germany at that point. And some luck for the RAF.

Did the English even have tanks at that point in the war?

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by Magnum on Oct 31, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and to reply to the football comparison

I think of centers like running backs

they’re always injured, but you need a good one to win a championship.

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 9:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, we went to war at LA and we did return defeated and injured.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Oct 31, 2008 7:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I meant wounded.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Oct 31, 2008 7:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very good!

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by johnv59 on Oct 30, 2008 5:22 PM PDT   0 recs

Nice post Prez

Next time I am up your way I am going to buy you some beer

by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2008 5:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Ha sounds good

I prefer Virgil’s if you can find it.

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by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 5:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

THE FORCE IS STRONG WITH YOU.

take a bow, as I’m standing and clapping. :)

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by faith on Oct 30, 2008 5:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Great Post

It sheds additional perspective on a couple other good recent posts:

A comparison with other centers

Data suggest the Blazers aren’t unusually injury prone

Compliments all around.

by GoBlazersWIN on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 PM PDT   0 recs

I would still like to see a rundown of previous Blazer Big Men

Sabonis, Dudley, Duckworth

If I remember right, they all had their injury issues also, but as was said above, they were worth it.

by GoBlazersWIN on Oct 30, 2008 10:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeh I linked to the comparison with other centers in my post

but the second one was a really good post as well. I almost linked to it.

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And have a heck of a good time.

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by prezofdeath on Oct 30, 2008 10:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bravo! Encore! Well Played! Good Show! Thank You prezofdeath!

A most enjoyable read. Rec’ed

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by LaMarvelous on Oct 30, 2008 10:33 PM PDT   0 recs

Metaphors seem Compeling, but Is there Actual Evidence?

Prezofdeath’s posting got me thinking: are there any studies that look at injury-proneness by position. After a little digging the answer is “Yes.”

In 2003, the American Journal of Sports Medicine published a study conducted by the University of Calvary Sports Medicine Centre. The study found that of 318 basketball players studied, 142 of them suffered 215 injuries. The results found that

The most common mechanism of injury was contact with another player, especially in the “key.” Injuries occurred 3.7 times more often in games than during practice. Centers had the highest rate of injury, followed by guards, and then forwards. The relative risk of reinjury was significantly increased by previous injuries to the elbow, shoulder, knee, hand, lower spine or pelvis, and by concussions.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/31/3/379

Sounds a lot like Greg Oden.

by Trutherlizer on Oct 31, 2008 12:51 AM PDT   1 recs

true, but it also sounds a lot like any center

name a center who hasn’t had injuries

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by prezofdeath on Oct 31, 2008 10:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here here.

Love the tank analogy.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Oct 31, 2008 2:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Zukhov, von Manstein, and Patton approve

Tanks are best at cruising through an area at 30-60 mph while firing off shots, but are incredibly vulnerable without a supporting cast (like mobile infantry) or the second they stop moving.

If you believe in your tank analogy, Nate’s current offense and the one he used in Seattle is the exact opposite of what needs to be done.

Oden ought to be making the stops and throwing long outlet passes off rebounds, and not playing in a half-court, grind it out, Pat-Riley, low post offense.

by Farty MacFartson on Nov 1, 2008 2:06 PM PDT   0 recs

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