Junk Drawer - Oct 3rd, 2008. TGIF edition
by Devyn on Oct 3, 2008 3:19 AM PDT
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PrintComcast to broadcast Blazer games in Washington
"The Blazers could help fill a viewing void for NBA fans after the Seattle SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City this summer. The network will air 55 Blazers games, along with 60 NHL games featuring either the Vancouver Canucks or San Jose Sharks."
Mmmmm, more converted Seattle fans
And in a battle of two titans Wednesday, the vice-presidential nominees faced off in St. Louis.
Am I the only one who finds Palin pretty hot? Maybe it's just a lady dressing in a suit that's hot to me, who knows.
Oh, and GO DEVIL RAYS!
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You darn faster man!!!! ;-)
I´ve made my own “Junk Drawer Inquiry” fanpost, but you beat me by few seconds. So I surrender my flag-post an leave it on here as a comment-offering to your victory.
"Following Tominhawaii´s written instructions, I´m trying to full the recommended fanposts section with amlmart1´s posts. I´m having that Scottishesque moment not for power but for glory.
Following Tominhawaii´s not written instructions (our brains are conected), I invite you all fellow Bedgers to start your own investigation about what nickname has been using KP to post in BE. I know this is the Junk Drawer, but this time try to give some good reasons to support your statement (I´m Davesque too).
KP, you can´t play this game.
Have a nice day. "
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Really? Haha
On my screen, it said Mine was posted one minute ago, and yours two minutes ago. I was going to delete mine but first I clicked to read what was in yours first, then went back to the home page and you deleted yours already.
Funny how we got different times.
Resident Smartass.
Yeah!
Sergio and Rudy´s jersey numbers 11+5= 16.
16= Playoffs
I´m doing camping for my Spanish players ;-)
CHOCOLAAAATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Wouldn't you prefer if USA Today's season preview of the #5 spot became true?
Rudy = 5 = great playoff spot :)
On the other hand I liked reading that Rudy’s first training camp basket was an alley oop from Sergio.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
Hola, Amimart!
Thanks for all the posts and translations. One of my favorite translation stories is about a young woman who wanted some rabbits: going to the farm, she intended to ask the grower if she buy his conejos, but she was dyslexic … and asked how valuable were his cojones.
You use of camp … “Camping for my Spanish players” … prompts una pregunta about the action engaged
“You can’t do camp on purpose.” Susan Sontag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)
"One must assume responsibility for being in a weird world: we are in a weird world ... Touch the world sparingly." Carlos Castenada (Journey to Ixtlan)
Oh, man it should be "campaign".
More I write, less I check out.
About your joke, “conejo” is in Spain also a nickname for the female sexual organ.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Like this...
>^,v. 
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
I did my part amlmart
I de-rec’d some poor sap’s fanpost that had five recs which knocked him off the frontpage and put another one of YOUR posts back in the top 5
Now if you do the junk tomorrow you’ll have four…
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
palin
man. after last nights preformance. I can’t vote for the pack-ee-derms. I just can’t. God bless my grandfather, but dam it. I just can’t. won’t. I just….AIN’T GONNA DO IT.. she’s as dense as a sack of rocks. no, denser!! a sack of lead. She was great at dodging the questions and putting together 2 incohearant sentences, (a trait I’m great at but she sucks). I love my family, I love my loyalties. so I will not be casting a vote after that pittiful display of knowledge.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
Really?
I didn’t see it, but MSNBC’s analysis says “Palin delivers, but doubts linger”. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27004258/
The Washington Post and MSNBC are hardly a Republican bunch. If it was Fox, I’d shrug. But they seem to think she handled herself fairly well. Wondering what you saw that was different….
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
My opinion on red or blue aside ...
Forget about any policy issues’ merit or political party affiliation for a moment:
If Mrs. Palin were held to the same standard that Mrs. Clinton would have been held in such a debate, and Clinton performed as Palin did, the pundits would be dumping rotting restaurant trash on her.
Palin’s performance — when viewed as an interview for one of the highest jobs in the world — was purely amateur.
Her performance was much more like a high-school president candidate’s speech: smiles, high hopes, nice-sounding words of encouragement, but absolutely no detail, no real way of accomplishing or really even addressing the points she made, and zero ability to answer a straight-ahead question.
Sen. Clinton would have been booed had she given such a performance. Booed.
Why does Gov. Pail get a pass and polite applause? She deserves (regardless of her political views and based only on her debate performance) a fail grade and guilty laughter from onlookers.
As a person seeing the seriousness of our times and the seriousness of the job, I was disgusted.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
It's getting to the point that it doesn't matter what your skill set and...
abilities are or how good a leader you might be, but how smooth you look on TV.
I’ve listened to friends of mine bash Bush repeatedly because of the way he talks. They automatically assume the guy is an idiot. News flash – the guy is no idiot. You can criticize him on his policies and performance (in fact I find I’m usually much better at that than the Bush bashers) but knocking him on how he mangles sentences is a sign you either think you are smarter than he is (an elitest) or that your understanding is even shallower than his.
I don’t know if anyone here owns a company and has to hire people, but smart companies know that it is often better to hire talented people who may lack specific job experience than to hire a person who might have more experience at a particular task. They know they can always train a person in the specifics of the job, but it is much harder (and more expensive) to develop skill sets and abilities. Sarah Palin has demostrated a pretty impressive skill set. She may not be the most knowledgeable person on either of the tickets, but that is not very important.
I think one thing Palin has doing for her is that she is not the typical Washington politician. We can look at her and say that she reminds us of people we know. That she is a mom and a homemaker and sportswoman, etc, doesn’t mean she is stupid. Being smooth is not the same as being smart.
hakkaa päälle !
Really bud?
Seriously … you didn’t think she was trying to push forward how folksy and friendly she is and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ as a way to cover up her glaring inabilities?
If the shoe were on the other foot, and the Gov of BlueState got up there and delivered the same debate performance for the Democratic ticket, would your response be: “She may not be the most knowledgeable person on either of the tickets, but that is not very important.” ???
What is this skill set too, other than trying to be “smooth” in an “aw-shucks” sorta way? Really, what skills?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, seriously.
I’m not a fan of Clinton, but I give her credit when she gives a good speech. I’m unlikely to vote for Obama (I’ve been a McCain fan for years), but I aknowledge his oration skills and don’t bash the man.
Both you and grimc appear to have already made up your mind and hence are willing to find fault whereever you can. I could point out how Joe Biden often went off topic instead of directly answering questions (as any experienced politician learns to do) or how he followed his handler’s advice of making his attacks on McCain, rather than challenging Palin directly. But overall he did a pretty good job. Joe Biden is smart, experienced and a good man. I’m not going to trash him.
I think more than anything what this election season has confirmed with me is how hypocritical liberals, progressives, Democrats (pick your label) are. They bashed Clinton while basically giving Obama a free pass from serious criticism and attack Palin on the most petty and even low points. The only valid topic she’s been attacked on has been experience and even that takes an incredible amount of chutzpah when one considers the experience level of Obama.
Unfortunately for me, as a Republican I’m stuck with my own set of hypocrites, with the difference primarily being hypocracy on a different set ot issues.
hakkaa päälle !
On a more "partisan" note
I would like to add that I have been turned off by all negativtiy surrounding her lately. I dont think she’s an idiot. I dont agree w/ any of her policies and as for the bad interviews i think her “handlers” are more to blame, because they kept her soo dang sequestered.
She is a smart women who has done a remarkable job in Alaska. However, it doesnt translate to the rest of the country because she is soo suprising uneducated on Foreign policy and doesnt have any experience with it to replace her lack of knowledge.
She also has allowed John McCain to prop her up as a symbol of progression on the women’s rights front when he has opposed and stood with people that oppose women’s right to equal pay for equal work. I would have liked Biden to note that if she is elected VP she will make roughly 14% less than he would just because she is a women.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
i cant watch youtube at work.
:(
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I shouldn't....
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Me neither
I also can’t hit any sites with the words Sports or Blog in the URL.
PLEASE DAVE, DO NOT AD THESE WORDS TO WHATEVER YOU HAVE GOING HERE!
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
ROFL
that would be a travesty.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Palin does not personally deserve the negativity
but because of the position she’s running for, she really does. She is flat out not qualified.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I know almost nothing about her personally that hasn’t had to do with her vindictively (and allegedly) firing state employees for not firing personal foes … but this is only an allegation. Nothing has been proven. So really, I know nothing about her personality. And frankly, I think that is the lesser of her problems.
She is the least “presidential” person I have ever seen (GWB being a close second at first) and appears to relish the role, but that’s not the real problem.
The real problem is she doesn’t seem to have any idea of what’s going on. She’s in way over her head.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
LOL
The cop she wanted fired tasered his stepson.
She denies that she fired someone because he wouldn’t fire that cop, but she could and should have fired him for that reason alone. Somebody who protects a cop who does that shouldn’t keep his job.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Like I said ...
I know very little about her …
Do you have personal knowledge of this incident?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Mentioned in Times of London
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4663977.ece
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/palin.trooper/
Note he admits it but pretends it was all a joke.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Some people
have VERY poor sense of humor and judgment.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah
and frankly i think it reflects ALL the debates and everyone who went!
Of course, they had slightly different graphs. they couldn’t tell folksy mom stories!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
LOL
That’s the kind of political commentary I can go for.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Clinton
showed a lower emotional IQ than Obama. That was clear in their debates. Obama is very smooth, where Clinton wasn’t. Additionally, clinton is a divisive figure. Obama did not carry the same baggage. Finally, clinton is more liberal that Obama with what she wants. Obama is more of a pragmatist.
I understand the generalizations you make about liberals, but keep in mind that along those same lines I could then bash you for denying science and lacking the basic knowledge as to what science is.
As for Palin, she’s not educated. She does not have experience and a few years as Governor and Mayor, before that, do not have her qualified in the experience. She has not shown curiosity about the world and have a VERY extreme religious view point on things.
I find the education worrisome, but that does not equate wisdom. I acknowledge that.
I find the lack of experience worrisome, but great people can certainly rise to the challenge when given the opportunity.
I find her extreme religious views and desire of creation to be a science to be incredibly bothersome and a large indication on how badly her education is lacking. I recognize that these views are differences of opinion, although the creation stance is ignorance. (The catholic church has stated that creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive, and frankly a lot of science helps support the concept of god.)
Mostly, I find her lack of curiosity incredibly worrisome. People may point to Abe Lincoln as a man without education, but he educated himself. He was curious about the world and asked questions. Palin does not. She works the crowds. THIS is what I find most concerning. Any democrat who was so poorly fit for office would be shot down or laughed at.
Those are my stances. Yes I’ve made up my mind because I’ve been paying attention to this for a while. I don’t think McCain would have done well with the economy, but I didn’t mind him either as I think he could have done some good. The acceptance of Palin, however, drove a dagger through McCAin and my likely hood to be okay accepting him as president. There is no way I’d vote for Palin for president and McCain will be the oldest president voted into office in history… a vote for him IS a vote for her.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Paragraph of the... FOREVER!
I understand the generalizations you make about liberals, but keep in mind that along those same lines I could then bash you for denying science and lacking the basic knowledge as to what science is.
I guess I shouldn’t judge all Republicans based on what one of them says in my sig., right?
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Everyone is unique
and the loud minority generally shout out the silent majority.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
also...
that signature cracked me up!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
highly offensive comment
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
More crude than anything.
gutter talk.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Pat Robertson...uggggh
Are there any Christians that like him? Are there any NON Christians that like him?
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
Perhaps his wife likes him
Has he been given a speech at the GOP convention since that one? I don’t think the GOP likes him anymore, either.
Chavez likes him. He helped to shore up old Hugo with the people of Venezuela. They were getting tired of him, but calling for his assassination was stupid beyond stupid. Robertson does stupid pretty well sometimes.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Obama's experience vs Palin
BA in political science
Attended Harvard law
12 some years of teaching of constitutional Law. That right there is impressive, but it does lack real experience.
8 years as a state legislator… experience there
3 years in the senate… a bit short, but plenty of political and constitutional law background.
Compared to Palin:
BA in communication/journalism
6 years as mayor of a small town
2 years as governor
How does Palin have more experience or education than Obama?
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shouldn't we compare McCain with Obama and Palin with Biden?
Not that I would contest your list or conclusion.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
The point being made
is that Palin is qualified because Obama is and that she has more experience.
Her ability to be a leader is addressed as “yeah, but Obama has less experience and she’s the only executive leader out there. If Obama can be a leader, then why would you object to our choice?”
I’m simply poking at the fallacy of that argument.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
The bottom line is that the "Obama is not experienced enough to lead" issue is off the table...
…………………………. McCain made a big boo-boo with his Veep pick that way… He should have went with GOVERNOR Romney or GOVERNOR Huckabee, if he was so set on a Governor — both of whom had been thoroughly vetted over the course of the campaign…
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
And people might actually have believed Romney that he has a plan to fix the economy
Or not, and that people like him created the mess :)
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
I'd be surprised
Seriously … you didn’t think she was trying to push forward how folksy and friendly she is and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ as a way to cover up her glaring inabilities?
I suspect she pushes forward how folksy and friendly she is, and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ because their internal polling says that is likely to win votes.
A lot of people will vote for the “just an ordinary guy (or girl) like me” candidate. It’s effective. Clinton used it quite a bit, I believe, even though he was quite brilliant (whatever one thinks of his positions [political ones, that is], the guy was brilliant). He could have talked the elite language, but didn’t.
No one suggested that Clinton was using that schmoozing because he couldn’t handle the issues. He did it because it works. And that is most likely why Palin is doing it, too. That doesn’t mean she’s brilliant, but I don’t think her style proves anything.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have enough trouble
speaking for myself.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Finally, I have to disagree with you, jscot
I watched the debate at work. On the drive home, I was listenting to one of the many liberal talk-show hosts here in the Bay Area discuss the debate. He made a point with which I agreed, that both Palin and Biden would have been suicidal to come to the debate pretending to be someone they are not. I actually ended up liking both of them and thought they both did a great job, much better than either of their running mates did in the first presidential debate.
Typical of Palin bashers, callers to the show to which I was listening bashed Palin on her lipstick, the way she talked, and other superficial nonsense. They would have howled with rage if such criticisms had been directed against Hillary.
Yeah, Clinton was so brilliant that he expanded the Community Reinvestment Act that created the current subprime mortgage mess.
I wouldn’t have disagreed with you, jscot, if only you had accepted my request to be your mini-me.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Sigh
As if I could be bought by something so trivial as your agreement.
So you are saying she was “folksy” because that’s really the way she is. You may be right, I wouldn’t know. But I can just about guarantee that McCain wanted a folksy VP candidate because it would play well, so either that was a factor in why he chose her or she is choosing to emphasize that aspect of her personality because it plays well, or both.
As to Clinton’s brilliance, I never said he had good policies. He pushed the policies that were best for Bill, as Bill perceived what was best for himself. Sometimes that meant it would help him get or hold more power. Sometimes that meant things that would help him get or hold other things besides power. Bill was all about Bill — but Bill wasn’t stupid.
Neither is GWB. Not stupid at all. Neither is Rove, or Cheney, or Obama, or Biden, or Kerry, Hillary, or Reid, or McCain. Pelosi? She’s a case all by herself. I actually think she is stupid. The rest of these people are very smart, and many of them are perhaps very dangerous precisely because they aren’t stupid. But Pelosi has managed to convince me otherwise.
We’ve got a few stupid politicians over here, too. Charles Kennedy always struck me that way. But most of them are very intelligent, and that’s how they get the power they get.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Whaddya mean my agreement is trivial?!
Nice zinger.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
LOL
I should feel ashamed of that one, but I’m actually quite proud of it. That’s my evil nature peeking through.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
CRA didn't cause the subprime mess.
CRA only applies to thrifts and banks. Merrill Lynch, AIG, Lehman—they aren’t/weren’t thrifts and banks. Try learning about Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which cleared the way for mortgage securities to be created.
Blaming CRA is just wingnuts going back to form: Blaming Clinton, minorities and poor people. Yawn.
Blaming Clinton = blaming minorities and the poor?
Quite a stretch, grimc. Put your tar brush back in the bucket, okay?
Abraham Miller writes:
As you can imagine, wonderful things happen when the government strong arms corporations as to how they should spend their money and, better yet, how they should assess the qualifications of home buyers. So the country’s biggest buyers of mortgages were pressured into lowering the qualifications of applicants, in order to increase the percentage of poor that got mortgages. By 2006, 30% of all mortgages went to people who in any other circumstances wouldn’t qualify.
Now the political left would like you to know that the CRA-controlled institutions did not lend the largest percentage of sub-prime mortgages. But that’s information by deception, because the mortgage business is a competitive business. If the government strong arms one part of the business, the other part will respond. And strong arm was what the Clinton administration did, even using the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to pressure banks to lend more money to the disadvantaged. Caught in the act, a spokesman for the office noted that its abuse of power was “for the best of intentions:” the same inclination used to pave the road to hell.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
This reveals a complete lack of understanding of the markets
Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Lehman didn’t make the bad loans, in general. The thrifts and banks made the bad loans. CRA was a factor.
They then sold them to investors/investment banks such as Merrill Lynch and Lehman. There’s your mortgage securities being created. If the bad loans were not bad loans, there would be no problem.
The problem is not mortgage securities. The problem is bad loans. If there aren’t bad loans, mortgage securities are a good and reasonable investment to make. If you think the problem is mortgage securities, you simply don’t understand what a mortgage security is.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
if people are bashing her
for her lipstick, those bashes are without merit and are just stupid.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
So you're voting for Obama?
I don’t know if anyone here owns a company and has to hire people, but smart companies know that it is often better to hire talented people who may lack specific job experience than to hire a person who might have more experience at a particular task
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Experience has been rendered a somewhat obsolete argument in this election, hasn’t it?
If the D’s bash Palin’s experience, their argument hits Obama. If the R’s bash Obama’s, their argument hits Palin.
The R’s can argue that experience matters less for a VP candidate, but McCain’s age kind of undermines that.
McCain must have thought Palin brought enough to the table to overcome the loss of his experience argument. Either that, or he thought the experience argument wasn’t going to work for much going forward.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
We agree :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Yay!
I knew it would happen sometime.
I think Nicholas is cute, too, though he’s not my type exactly.
That’s two in a row.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Pigs are flying
LOL
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I dont like guns. No thanks :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
We disagree again :)
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
LOL
although just because I dont like them I still think people have the right to bear arms , responsibly.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I think people can bare arms
responsibly.
Does that count as a third agreement?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
The cognitive dissonance demonstrated by Obama supporters
on the experience issue is too funny to be believed.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
and yet its rendered obsolete as jscot says because he chooses someone that
embodies the crux of mccain’s argument against Obama to be his VP.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Right. So why do Obama supporters
keep bringing up Palin’s lack of experience to be VP as that argument doesn’t apply to Obama to be the prez?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Im not. Simply stating that if
McCain supporters continue to hit him on his lack of experience than her lack of experience is game as well. Neither can an Obama supporter accuse John the “maverick” of being a washington insider when Obama has selected a Senate member of 32 years.
So what we are left with is a real debate about real issues and thats a great thing.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
We can agree on that at least.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
LOL
:p
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Because Obama's experience is vastly superior to Palin's
But the main point being: he has a lot of ideas that he has been pushing in the Senate since he got there. From Nuclear non-proliferation to government transparency.
Palin can’t even spew out the ideas she tried to memorize.
Obama = substance
Palin = empty vessel
All of the independent and non-affiliated voters seem to think the same thing too.
Personal opinion:
Because Obama inspires me, makes me believe in the goodness of brain-power, makes me believe there is some way Harvard-educated people that have street-smarts can use their gifts for good, not ignorance.
Bush has a degree from Yale and yet it seems he can no more speak than govern. His disastrous presidency will take decades to undo. and yet Americans love him. LOVE him.
The elitest controversy against Obama made it seem as if intelligence were a bad thing. Palin, on the other hand, seems to flaunt her lack of experience, her lack of knowledge, her hockey-mom credentials as if it were a Ivy League degree.
She inspires me to tune out, turn off.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
I hate to be the one to break it to you...
… but the people who brought you Wall Street: The disaster are for the most part Ivy League graduates, as is much of Congress. The same Congress that has an approval rating one third that of the President.
I understand how Obama can inspire you. The guy makes me want to vote for him when I listen to him speak. But let’s not equate great oration with great ability to make executive decisions. It certainly helps one lead if you can convince folks and get them to agree with you just by making a great speech. Reagan had that ability.
Just as a lot of people are treating exposure as experience, they are also treating inspiration as executive ability. For all I know, Barack Obama will make an excellent executive. If fact I’m pretty sure he will. What I’m not so sure of is whether he will actually change anything, other than changing the Executive Branch policies from Republican to Democrat. I doubt there will be anything truly new. Just the other party’s turn to try their usual policy prescriptions.
hakkaa päälle !
McCain does not have executive experience and therefor we dont know if McCain has any executive ability
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
No no
i have nothing against the Ivy League or intelligence or even smart people doing dumb things. I get that. It’s just that I love the idea/potential of them doing something right, using brains for good, not evil. And I have to say, I think Obama is on that track.
McCain, as much as I like his anti-pork barrel stance, is really not my voice in any other way.
Not on war
Not on the economy
Not on health/human services
Not on the environment
Not on social issues (AKA Human rights like Gay Marriage)
Not on lots of stuff …
But that’s just me.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
seriously
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Can I give you a digital high-five?
…
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
:) High 5
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Change
Change is generally slow except in times of crisis. McCain wouldn’t be able to change anymore than Obama could. It’s freaking frustrated when it’s needed, but the effort and foundation can be set in place to get that heavy ball rolling.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
go look at their work history
there is no comparison.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Hard to tell
isn’t it?
check out up above where I compared Palin to Obama. The claim that Obama has no experience drives me nuts.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
nope
the experience debate does not hit Obama. go look at his record vs Palin.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
When it comes to having expereince to be President...
… I’d argue that there are perhaps only two jobs, VP and Governor of California, that might possibly count as providing experience for the job.
It’s interesting to note the number of Presidents since FDR who wasn’t either a VP or a Governor. The exceptions are Eisenhower and Kennedy. Eisenhower had his WWII experience to call on and JFK had his daddy’s money. (It didn’t hurt that he was young, charismatic, good looking and a great orator (and running against an opponent who was none of these).
In other words, if experience were that important, Sarah Palin has the three other guys beat, as she’s the only one with any sort of executive experience. Not much, granted. But more than the other three combined.
hakkaa päälle !
Thats absurd
She has barely any experience as Governor, she was the Gov of the least populated state in the union and she has ZERO foreign policy experience. So little that most experienced GOP operatives are extremely mad about trying to even defend it.
Obama has been running a hugely successful, well run campaign for literally as long as she has been Governor. Before that she was a shady small town mayor.
To say that she has more experience of any kind than the other three candidates is foolish and completely disconnected from reality in every meaningful way.
Great points.
1) It most certainly matters what the population size of a state is when judging executive experience. One needs to come from a state at least as populous as Arkansas. (I’ll have to check on Alaska having the smallest population. It can’t be much smaller than Wyoming.)
2) Foreign policy experience is crucial. That’s what it is so important to vote for Obama, because he has it. (Living in another country as a kid counts, doesn’t it?)
3) Running a campaign – I should have thought of that one as an excellent qualifier.
4) Lord forbide we get a “shady” small town mayor anywhere near the seat of power. Does plagerizism (sp?) count towards being shady?
While I may try to disconnect myself from reality on a regular basis, I doubt I’ll ever enjoy the freedom from it’s bondage that you enjoy.
hakkaa päälle !
So tell me this, how do McCain and George W. Bush differ?
What plans do McCain have that differ from what Bush has tried and proved to be wrong n the last 7.5 years? What does Palin have to offer our country?
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Im going 2 lunch. I expect a full report when I get back
and please spare me the talking points. I want real answers..
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
energy
tax credits
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
sorry thats Palin :P
hehe
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Weak PointsOb
1. Yes, Bill Clinton was the Gov of Arkansas – for eight years. And yes, it is more populated than Alaska.
2. Foreign Policy experience is critical. Not only has Obama traveled abroad much more than Gov. Palin, he is also in the Senate Foreign Relations committee.
3. Obama is running a masterful campaign. Looking at how a candidate runs a campaign is a great indication of how they will run the country. Obama’s has been focused and disciplined. McCain has been erratic and all over the map from his stance on the economy to his VP pick.
4. Yes, God forbid we get a small town mayor in the White House with a history of ethical violations.
As far as “plagiarism” goes, I assume you are talking about a campaign speech Biden gave 20 years ago. One he used over and over and that ONE, SINGLE time forgot to give someone credit for a line he used. Not only is it ridiculous to bring up now, it was never a big deal even 20 years ago.
Got anything else I can blow out of the water?
Number three
is a good point. I hadn’t even thought of that one.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Obama is not running his campaiign
I really have to laugh when people say that Obama has experience running a campaign. He does not run his campaign at all. No politician does.
A candidate runs a campaign like a president runs a country...
…………………… same exact principle: surround yourself with competent people and get the job done. EXCELLENT analogy.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Campaign managers and staff
run campaigns.
He has no experience running anything.
You don't know Jarret Jack
You pick your staff and the philosophy you want to run it with. Obama has got the best people and has obviously been employing the most effective philosophy.
If you think a candidate has nothing to do with how their campaign is run, you have a lot to learn.
And the President runs the United States of America with absolutely no aides or staff, right?
Campaign managers and staff
run campaigns.
He has no experience running anything.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
I never said that a candidate has nothing to do with how their campaign is run
It just does not count as experience of running something since he is not the one running the campaign. Did Bush get credit for running two successful runs at the Presidency. No. It was Karl Rove who did, because he ran it.
As President he is the leader with a supporting staff.
You have to quit believing all the liberal media talking points. Stop and think if it was McCain that had no experience and claimed that running his campaign was all the presidential experience he needed. The liberal media would be all over him and yelling BS.
by richarda97 on Oct 4, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you
It’s very hard for a senator or representative to get into the white house. It has partially to do with star power, and part to do with the nature of legislation (long, slow, boring arguments rather than the big, bold directives governors get to make). I don’t think Palin honestly has much of anything going for her other than her ability to get people already voting for McCain excited, which is pretty important, I’ll grant you. But in the reality of the situation, I kinda see a disaster looming behind her.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
And I know rational, educated, intelligent people...
… who see the same thing should Obama become President.
I think you both are wrong.
As a history major I think back to FDR’s last choice for a running mate. His dumped his sitting VP, Wallace (Henry, I think) and went with a little known Congressman from a small town. Had they had 24 hour cable & internet news coverage and hundreds of talking heads, Roosevelt would have been ridiculed and Truman trashed. The guy had zero foreign experience, yet was picked at a time the nation was engaged in a global war. That one turned out ok.
hakkaa päälle !
So you are voting for Obama too?
The guy had zero foreign experience, yet was picked at a time the nation was engaged in a global war. That one turned out ok.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Executive experience is a misnomer
Being the governor of Alaska is like being the Prince of Saudia Arabia. Over 80% of the states’ revenue comes from oil. A single industry state with a population close to the size of Portland Metro.
I am qualified to be the coach of the Blazers due to my executive experience being the coach of a 7th grade basketball team.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
I've been meaning to talk to you about that.
I don’t understand your substitution pattern, you seem to have a boy-crush on your backup point guard, and why do you insist on playing so many youngsters?!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Actually, full disclosure, my coaching career ended when my team ended the season 1-10
The one win was the result of a no-show by the opponent. I’ll defend myself by saying my team had no instinctual talent or fundamentals. The dummies for youth basketball book did not help me.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
You still have more coaching experience than the current Bulls coach
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
Two years ago, the Bulls were the Blazers.
How quickly the mighty can fall. I hope we Blaze a different trail.
Free cheese for all!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Obama has been the cheif executive of a billion dollar business
for almost 2 years now and he’s run it like clockwork, intelligently and without a misstep overcoming some incredible odds to even find himself in the position to run the business.
Compare how Obama has managed his campaign, who he’s hired, the skills of the people he’s surrounded himself with what McCains’s done.
I’m satisfied he’s got enough exective experience.
Again Obama does not run his campaign
No experience
Again, you are clueless
I have in the past and am in the middle of running campaign for legislative candidates. If you think they have nothing to do with running a campaign you are either stupid or denial.
Most people in here aren’t.
He's clutching at one of the last remaining straws that the Rs have...
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
................ Ignoring the fact that McCain is also a US Senator who has, ummm, "run nothing," to coin a phrase.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Ahh, if you don't drink the kool aid, then you are stupid
We are talking about a Presidential campaign not a state candidate where they do have a lot to do with running the campaign.
I am not stupid, I just don’’t want a President that is on the far left or the far right. That is not being stupid, that is being smart.
you know
I’m honestly curious.
what is so wrong about being elite? About being the best of the best? About KNOWING that you’re the best of the best?
Elitist has become this terrible dirty word, and yet I WANT someone who is Elite to take office.
As for Bush being bright… I believe he has his own intelligence, but his education is faulty and if you doubt that, take a look at the economy. He was very black and white, but the problem is that the world is filled with various hues of color and shading. Results speak, and Bushes results have spoken. I DO take issue with Bushes education which show cases his knowledge, how he speaks, and what he speaks about.
As I said, I feel elite isn’t bad, and I would only want the best of the best in office.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
By elite they are referring to elitism
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
Mr. Rat you seem to be referring to excelling or someone who is at the top of their game. Which is of course a good thing.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a problem with people who think they are...
… either smarter than me or better educated, trying to tell me how to live my life.
First off, if I’m to believe what people have told me since I was a little kid and from test results, I’m supposed to be in the top 10 percent from an intelligence standpoint. (And I’ve tried very hard over the years to disabuse people of that notion.) Secondly, I doubt there are many in Congress with a broader level of formal education than mine. So for those two reasons alone I’m ready to tell such people where to put it and offer a helping hand to see it goes as far in as possible.
And even if any of the above didn’t apply, I’d resent someone telling me they know what’s best for me. Those days ended when I reached 18 and moved out of my parents home.
hakkaa päälle !
I hear that.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a number of folks here
whose politics I don’t agree with, but whom I’d invite over for a beer while we watch the Blazers play.
hakkaa päälle !
Inviting myself ...
Can I come?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
right behind me :)
LOL
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Hadn't thought of it that way ...
… but … ummmm… I will.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 4, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Obama's elitisism
Is what caused him to look down on the people of the Midwest and say they cling to their religion and guns.
Don't they?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 4, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
But she's a maverick on a team of mavericks
Also, her experience as a small town mayor, oil and gas reg’lator and chief executive of a huge state. And energy, also, which is so important to America to get energy independence and people want government to get out of the way—also, John McCain knows how to win a war and I’m just proud to be a part of this team of mavericks and we’re gonna go to Washington and shake things up, ya betcha. Also, energy.
I can’t believe there are still people who think she’s qualified to be anywhere near nuclear launch codes. Awful. Embarassing.
I could sing her stump speech after the debate, that's how often she came back to those phrases
You forgot her other major qualification: Mom. That always followed the “mayor, oil and gas regulator, business owner, …”
Regardless of political affiliation, that was not a great performance especially in the second half.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
For the record...
… is there an issue more important to the long term economic health and security of this nation than energy?
hakkaa päälle !
but it can't be a catch phrase.
You have to be able to cover all your bases, not talk up one area alone, to somewhat mix a metaphor.
Also, as I’ve stated elsewhere, you have to be on the right side of an issue. National Security/Economics will always be linked and almost always have … but such a big issue has a lot of nuance, and can’t be used as a tag line.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, I agree.
But when hasn’t a politician not boiled everything down to a tag line.
I used to think it was because they thought those of us who vote are imbiciles (and maybe they do). Now I think it’s just that average attention spans are short, there is so little time to make detailed points and a lot of people start to tune out when the details get talked about.
I no longer count on most of the news and media outlets to provide the information I should have to make an informed choice. But then it always has come down to being the responsibility of each voter to be informed. If we don’t want to take the time to really understand what is going on and why, then we deserve what we get.
hakkaa päälle !
Agree with you on that one.
For me, my frustration with politics today isn’t the soundbite, it’s that ONLY the soundbite is important. I want healthy debate. The polarization of the political atmosphere is incredibly bad for our country. Each side is rarely right, rather it’s a blend of different ideas that true genius originates from.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Politics in America
is like that game where two crowds of people try to push a very large ball to the other end of the field. It generally stays in the middle.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
yep. and no one really wins.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
...or loses?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
thing is, there is always potential for us to lose.
We lose out on a healthier world.
We lose out on a lot lot of stuff through ignorance, silly “beliefs” and irrational murderous passions.
But, to quote Vonnegut: “So it goes.”
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
lol That has to be the least-eloquent
statement Vonnegut has ever written!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
It doesn't have to be that way
and that’s why it’s frustrating.
Ultimately we mostly want the same things.
We want safety
We want to be able to pay our bills
We want to be able to be more than our parents and have the opportunity to be amazing.
We want our country to be great.
We want to be healthy.
I mean, there are basic points we could ALL come together on. Instead we debate about how difficult it is to put lipstick on a pig while it’s rolling around in mud and repeat soundbites.
I was actually amused because I was betting with my gf “Who will break first and actually answer a question?”
I think it was McCain. It was a bad answer too… but I think he was irked by the whole “we’re not answering game” and so I respected that.
Obama cracked on something else… barely.
Makes the debate a rather huge waste of time if they won’t answer.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
True, but what happens when they do answer?
They get roasted for it. Better to be vague and do your best to make people feel good about your candidate. Obama is a master at that, which is why he will probably win the election. Bush was good at it, especially compared to cold fishes like Kerry and Gore. Clinton was great at it and Dole was not. Reagan was. Kennedy was.
We Americans seem to like the way our candidates make us feel more than what they stand for. That’s disquieting.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
AGreed
I’ve actually pointed this out on political blogs. I really can’t fault the candidates. You do what you need to do to get into office and do good. That means avoiding questions.
I hate it, but I understand it. I wish we lived in a world where the soundbites didn’t rule.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
The medium is the message.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
These things end up so far down from the post
they are a response to that they lose meaning.
I was referring to Mild’s remark about the game of pushing a giant ball across the field. We had to do that during ROTC PT
hakkaa päälle !
I want her baking my cookies, not running my country
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I watched the debate
The only way you can say that Palin ‘succeeded’ or ‘delivered’ in the debate is that she didn’t look completely retarded. Given that debates are highly coached, I prefer to contrast that with her performances against the hard-hitting journalist Katie Couric (that’s sarcasm, folks) where she looked like a caribou in the headlights.
And could someone give the entire Republican party a lesson on how to pronounce “nuclear”? There’s only one ‘U’ in it, people!!!!
that kiiiiiilllled me again and again last night.
Nu-Clear
Nu-Clear
Ore-e-gun
Ore-e-gun
By the way, Biden’s “Bosniaks” is correct.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Except wasn't he talking about all Bosnians
not just those who are Muslim (Bosniaks)?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Another non-issue. Who cares?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
This election will be decided by Tina Fey...
……………………………. Heck, if she’s on that liberal media elite television show four more times, Joe Six-pack will no be votin’ for Palin and John McCain…
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
..................... The board ate my bracketed reference that "perky beauty queen smile continues"...
………………………… Did her 8 year old have an excused absence from school last night, by the way?
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Jimmy Carter said nukuler
and so have others on both sides of the political aisle. Typical example of the kind of petty, irrelevant stuff Palin haters love to spout.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
It was just kinda funny.
I just think she is smarter than she lets on. Why does she act ditsy and “folksy”.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
She is who you saw.
As jscot says, that aspect of her personality plays much better with most Americans than the partrician speech of many in the Beltway.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
where you going to answer my question in regards to the specifics as to how McCain is diff. than Bush?
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
McCain is Bush's Grandfather
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey! I grew up inside the Beltway.
Well, just outside it (Wheaton). But I went to school in DC, which was way inside the Beltway.
Even sat in the Speaker of the House’s chair (when I participated in DC’s Boys State). How I ever got elected for that remains on of my life’s great mysteries.
hakkaa päälle !
Foley wasn't in office at that poing ... right?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I grew up in McMinnville and Bend
Never got elected to crap.
Never deserved it.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I was "selected" for Boys State
I never got elected for anything either. I was the unsuccessful candidate for Governor.
I think I blew it with my speech. In all the contests for the other positions everyone would make a speech as if they were running for a real office. When it came down to the last election – for Governor, which was the highest office in Boys State – I got up there and told the truth, i.e. that the reason I wanted them to vote for me was I wanted to be the guy that won. I wasn’t going to make a fake speech, just be honest and say that winning meant a lot personally to me and nothing more than that. I lost in a landslide.
I still felt pretty good about the fact that I was my party’s candidate for the top spot and even more so that my side took more positions than the other (the votes from each party were exactly even, so we had to work to get people to change sides). Still, one leason I took away from the experience is that it doesn’t pay to be honest in politics. Never tell the people what you think. Tell them what they want to hear.
hakkaa päälle !
Very good.
(but the truth rarely wins over the masses)
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
of course
in your situation, your truth was something they decided was wrong for them.
What if McCain gave that answer? Or Obama? We want more :)
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
That or....
You shouldn’t run for office solely to grasp for power. People are generally turned off by that.
Politicians have played the "folksy" game for years
perhaps centuries.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
and when they dont pretend to do that they are elitists...
got it.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the best replies yet in this thread.
You could believe that all white males over 40 should be shot and I’d still enjoy your input.
You don’t believe in that, do you?
hakkaa päälle !
Funny thing is...
she’s right. This country doesn’t like people smarter than they are. Note the mocking of the nerds and only the recent semi-popularity thanks to Gates and his money.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Mocking of nerds had more to do with their lack of EQ
than being threatened by their intelligence. If the “nerd” partook in typcial American pop culture and had good social skills then they wouldn’t be by definition, a nerd. Intelligence alone leaves the equation.
It seems the common American worker does not mind intelligence. They want to see intelligence that is backed with credibility. They want competence that equates to results. Not a haughty approach that says, “I’m smarter than you so you should follow me and not question my reasoning.” That is a turn off. They need to admire the person they choose to follow.
The rare individual is someone who inspires confidence through their intelligence and competence but who is also personable and humble. That is the type of person who most people want to follow.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is
Mr Carter has a degree in nukular enginering but I agree that the pronunciation nonesense is petty
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, he doesn't.
I can’t remember which it was he started out claiming that he had a degree in Nuclear Physics or Nuclear Engineering. I think it was the first. Then the Society of Nuclear Physcists sent him a letter asking him to desist with the claim or show them his degree.
The Nuclear Engineering claim always got my dad going. Although his degree was in Chemical Engineering, as someone who designed reactor and instrucment control systems first for the Navy and then for commercial utility plants, he had far more experience and credibility to call himself a “nuclear” engineer (which he never did) than Carter ever did.
hakkaa päälle !
I stand corrected
He was an enginering officer on a nuclear powered Naval vessel.
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly.
I couldn’t remember if he had served aboard ship (he had), but I was pretty sure he never served aboard a nuclear sub (he didn’t).
I did think he graduated from Nuclear Power School, but was surprised to find out he didn’t. Here’s his naval career from Wiki
Naval career
He attended Georgia Tech and Georgia Southwestern State University before receiving an appointment to the United States Naval Academy where he received a Bachelor of Science degree in physics in 1946 and is the only graduate of the Naval Academy to become President.6 Carter finished a high 59th out of his Academy class of 820. Carter served on surface ships and on diesel-electric submarines in the Atlantic and Pacific fleets. As a junior officer, he completed qualification for command of a diesel-electric submarine.
He applied for the U.S. Navy’s fledgling nuclear submarine program run by then Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover’s demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover had the greatest influence on him.
Jimmy Carter as a Midshipman at the US Naval AcademyCarter has said that he loved the Navy, and had planned to make it his career. His ultimate goal was to become Chief of Naval Operations. Carter felt the best route for promotion was with submarine duty since he felt that nuclear power would be increasingly used in submarines. After six years of military service, Carter trained for the position of engineer officer in submarine Seawolf, then under construction.7 During service on the diesel-electric submarine, USS Pomfret, Carter was almost washed overboard.8 Carter completed a non-credit introductory course in nuclear reactor power at Union College starting in March 1953. This followed Carter’s first-hand experience as part of a group of American and Canadian servicemen who took part in cleaning up after a nuclear meltdown at Canada’s Chalk River Laboratories reactor.910
Upon the death of his father, James Earl Carter, Sr., in July 1953, however, Lieutenant Carter immediately resigned his commission, and he was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953. 1112 This cut short his nuclear power training school, and he was never able to serve on a nuclear submarine, since the first boat of that fleet, the USS Nautilus, was launched on January 17, 1955, over a year after his discharge from the Navy.13
For the record, I was born in a house just off campus of Union College and my dad worked on the design of the Seawolf’s reactor controls. I don’t think he ever ran into Carter though, as he never mentioned it. Of course they could have been in the same place at the same time.
hakkaa päälle !
I am sure your information is correct
Could you post Mcains service record as well.My information is that he was the only bomber pilot shot down by a surface to air missile in VietNam which could only happen if the pilot broke mission discipline.dont know if its true or not and would like to find out.
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He did crash 4 planes before he got shot down
He may have deviated from the mission intentionally, or he might just have not been paying attention.
And graduated 5th from the bottom
Of his class at the Naval academy,sounds like a bright guy
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if he's bright or dumb, but he was a party boy...
…………………. but then again, there have been plenty of party boys in the white house before (JFK, Bushie).
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Not sure where that info came from.
Here’s a link for aircraft combat losses in Vietnam (fixed wing).
The two biggest causes were ground fire and AA (which is radar controlled Anti-Aircraft Artillery, which I believe is 23mm and above).
The Navy recorded 15 aircraft lost to SAM’s. So anyone claiming McCain as being the only one is either repeating misinformation or straight out lying. (Please note I’m not implying either applies to you.)
This reference doesn’t show it, but I believe SAM losses happened early in the war, before the services learned how to spook them or avoid them. McCain was shot down fairly early in the conflict.
http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/usa/usnlossesvietnam.html
hakkaa päälle !
Dont remember the air craft designations
Any more[its been along time] but he was a high altitude bomber pilot not a fighter pilot?
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
McCain was an A-4 driver.
The Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, often referred to as Heiniman;s Hot Rd after it’s designer was a light attack aircraft and extremely well liked by it’s pilots. The saying was you didn’t climb into the cockpit, you just strapped on the airplane. It was fast, responsive and manueverable. It carried an impressive bomb load for it’s size (I want to say ~ 10,000 lbs, but I’d have to look it up), two 20mm cannon and could deliver anything from Zuni air-ground unguided rockets to nuclear bombs.
In addition to use by the Navy as a carrier – borne light attack jet, the US Marine Corp flew it as a close air support jet (but then everything the Marines fly is used as close air support ), Israel, Argentina, Australia and a couple other nations.
I don’t know what the altitude restrictions were over the North, but at a guess I’d say they pressed attacks below 5,000 ft (There was a 10,000 ft ceiling during Gulf I) . Flying A-4’s, I’m pretty sure McCain operated below 10,000 ft most of the time.
hakkaa päälle !
She had the lowest expectations in HISTORY
And slightly beat out those incredibly low expectations. She sure can memorize some material though.
I shudder to think of her negotiating for America. Maybe on our debate we won’t even expect her to try and answer a question, but it’s different in the real world.
If you can’t see that she is intellectually vacant (usually a bad trait for a world leader) than I don’t know what to tell you.
If I can't see
it’s because, like I said, I didn’t see the debate. The time zone issue impacted that.
I was just surprised that even the WaPost and MSNBC gave her props, and then people here said she did horribly. But I guess I’m used to people here responding that way. There can be NOTHING positive about the opposition, there is NOTHING to respect about them or their beliefs, they are STUPID and EVIL, and etc.
Seems to me that WaPost doesn’t like her politics, either, but gave her credit for a good performance. Maybe they have to have credibility to be able to sell papers, and not let their opinion of her politics too badly skew their reporting of her performance.
Political views and performance are not the same thing. A person can have great views and perform horribly, or vice versa.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
she was great at hitting the talking points
but she didnt defend John McCain when Biden attacked his policies and linked him to George Bush 100 times. She was cute and bubbly but lacked real substance. She didnt really do anything that stood out to me, good or bad. Thats kinda the problem. WaPost and MSNBC gave her passing grades while they noted the Biden Excelled. Come on … she was expected to do terribly and she didnt. Good for her.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
You saw what you wanted to see, Sophia.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
are questioning my perception now?
when did she state , specifically how John McCain’s policies will differ from George Bush?
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
She provided several examples of how McCain
has been a thorn in the side to Bush and the Repubs over the years. That doesn’t mean McCain has to disagree with Bush on everything, including Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
link? quote?
thats looking in the past , how are his policies and plans going to differ from Bush. She didnt offer any… can you point me to the link that shows what she said to substantiate that his plans are different than what Bush has done.
I honest to goodness want to know.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Then look it up online yourself, please.
I cannot keep-up with responding to everyone in this thread as it is. The information is there if you want to find it. You’re the one who raised the question, not I.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
You are engaging in a debate about Palin
I know EXACTLY where to find it. I am challenging you to substantiate your claims.
You cannot. I win.
sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Good for you.
Golf clap.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
HAHA
I <3 u.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
You remind me of my youngest daughter
She’s fiery and emotional but has a good heart, too.
I try to remember that all of us want the same things, mostly. We all want America to be better than it is now. It’s just our methods that differ. It sure isn’t worth any of us getting nasty about folks who disagree with our view.
That being said, I’d still rather talk Blazers than politics.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
What's condescending about that?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I don't know
Maybe comparing someone’s political views that you obviously disagree with to those of your “youngest daughter.” Maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but it could sure be construed that way.
Read it again
I was talking about Sophia in that sentence, not her political views.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Funny thing is
I always think that you remind me of my dad.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I hope you and your dad are close!
;^)
That makes me very happy. Thank you.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I live with him. We debate almost every day and they are extremely emotionally charged debates..
He recently converted to being a democrat but he still thinks lIke a republican! He just hates Bush so much.
But yeah my dad and I are really close . He’s been a really good grandfather as well and made some really big sacrafices for me and my son.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Republicans
Actually the things they stand for, I agree with.
1.) gun rights. Yup, i agree. just make sure people who use them are educated/trained, and qualified. Set up classes and definitely keep the waiting period.
2.) Fiscal responsibility… I’m all about that and we had it during the Clinton years.
3.) Personal responsibility. Democrats give away the fish and republicans tell people to go fish for themselves. My thoughts on it: if a man has no idea to go about fishing, it’s difficult and so you need to teach him to fish. If he then chooses not to fish, that’s his issue. If he picks himself ups and fish, then you’ve helped him help himself.
4.) Minimal government. But this doesn’t mean NO government. It should mean government that makes sense, that makes the world better, that holds people accountable, and that teaches it’s people how to be better people.
5.) Lower taxes. I’m behind that too, if it means that the budget is balanced and that the burden of taxes does not unduly effect those who can least afford it. Currently taxes favor the rich. I firmly believe in growing the economy from the bottom up, not letting the scraps trickle down from the top. Evidence has now repeatedly shown that trickle down doesn’t work. Trickle up HAS been shown to work.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
That, plus Fear of Dave
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
LOL
Actually, the conversation has been rather rational, and it’s nice.
Debate is healthy. The problem with the political climate today is that people don’t debate and don’t acknowledge when others have points.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Go Blazers!
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks! hard to find people here!
He brings up a point though.
In conversation there are ways to imply things without actually saying them. Milled put Sophia in a position that was less than him. A daughter obeys her father and father knows best. BlazerD brought up a good point.
this type of journalism is ALL over magazines and news and I enjoy reading to identify such things.
Sometimes it’s unintentional, sometimes the color of a person’s opinion shows through, and sometimes there is a willful desire to manipulate.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
You could interpret it that way
but you’d be wrong to do so. Do you deny that Sophia is fiery and emotional at times but has a good heart? My daughter has those traits and I love her with all my heart. The only thing demeaning or belittling is you saying I said that to put her down.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I'm not saying it was meant that way
but words are funny and things like that can dwell in the subconscious without realizing it and without being able to identify why those emotions come up.
You put yourself into a position of authority over her.
It’s like Palin’s move to be able to use the “Joe” line. It’s little things, but a skillful manipulator can use them well.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I don't consider my kids
or anyone’s kids for that matter, as beening in a position less than me. There are few, if any, things I place above me. If someone tells me they see me as a son, I consider that a complement.
hakkaa päälle !
It also depends on the context
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I was going to reply
that if rat thinks I put myself in a position of authority over my daughter, he doesn’t know my daughter very well! She’s a handful. She punches me and talks mean to me when she’s in a good mood. But I love those bruises.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
However its only condescending if I chose to interpret it that way
in my naive mind I chose to believe he was trying to de-emotionalize the debate as it was getting a bit heated.
If I decide it is not condescension, does it have the same effect upon me? No.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
and i believe you're right
I’m simply pointing out the power of words :)
there’s a reason why the pen is mightier than the sword.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
The power of rhetoric has the power to sway the masses
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
For good or bad
this is definitely true.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
you're on
however, i should warn you… i actually can fence too.
A sword can control someone for a day. A pen can provide vision and thought that changes not just todays situation, but the situation for lives far into the future. We live in a country where we can have this debate because the seeds were planted YEARS before the revolution until the government lost the will of the people and they put the sword to use.
The british swords faltered against the pen of the new world. and the pen of others who’d added to it from hundreds of years before that influenced the pens of America.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
absolutely. I believe it was the Greeks
that adopted the notion that rhetoric aka the “pen” had more power than the powerful Roman empire had with their mighty armies. It is the words that remain.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
The greeks
did indeed provide the foundation that our forefathers built upon.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Greece was conquered ;-)
By the Romans, the Ottoman empire,… Just saying.
But yeah, a lot of their ideas survived.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
thats exactly the point
the Greeks were defeated by just about EVERY mighty empire. Oddly enough none of those empires are as influential in the modern times as the teaching of the Greeks.
Which indicates that the pen has more power of the sword.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
yeah
what i was saying, but i think you said it better :)
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Exactly
the pen outlasted and survived the swords of Rome.
That’s what the phrase means. You can’t repress ideas once they’ve been put to paper to endure and last for others to see.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
The British swords
Didn’t falter against the pen of the New World. The problem was those muskets and the bullets that came out of them. You just can’t parry those things with a sword.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
look
if the british army didn’t get the memo that standing in formation while people shoot at you from trees is a bad idea…
well… they shouldn’t have shot the messenger.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
LOL
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I'm not sure
that they did shoot the messenger, or enough of the people that they were supposed to shoot.
My big regret is that Scotland sent troops, instead of seizing the opportunity and breaking away while the English were cutting their own throats in America.
Ooops. I like the English. Really. The above sentiments were inserted by an interloper.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
I always thought breaking away was stupid
Especially when you are sitting on the same island. South and North Korea. Haiti and the Dom. Rep. East and West Timor. All not exactly models of success. Dumb strategic move…
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
That's a good point
don’t break away, change the government.
United you stand, divided you fall.
Of course, I’m sure it’s MUCH more emotional over there and we’d probably be punched for saying something like that.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Perhaps you should united stand
with Canada and Mexico. All one big country. Why not?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Korea is an island?
The problem isn’t really the breaking away. The problem was joining in the first place.
We’re a different country. We’re still a different country. The thing that united us was we had the same king, that’s it. Our king inherited their crown. United Kingdom, get it?
Well, when Charles is about to be the king, any reason for unity on the basis of the crown is about extinct. Past extinct.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Apart from being a visual downgrade...
That would make it more appealing to skip that generation: What difference does it make who wears the crown? The position is largely ceremonial now, but still having a king/queen or emperor kinda looks cool.
And I can’t remember a country that gained more political and economic power by splitting up.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
I know. 4 days to go. . .
then we can talk about Bayless v. Sergio all the time as im sure they will both be playing a whole lot in pre season games now that Blake is hurt (sorta) .
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I'm looking forward to defending Nate
when the team loses two games in a row and some BEdgers are calling for his head.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I know right?
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Are you going to the fanfest?
i was going to take my son but i think he’ll lose interest…
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I live in the Bay Area
Probably just as well. If I lived in Portland I’d be spending all my money on the Blazers.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
No doubt
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I'll be calling for his head
when we go on a 13 game winning streak again!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
We go on another 13 game winning streak...
… I’ll be calling for head.
Just not from Nate.
hakkaa päälle !
it's very likely
I wouldn’t need to.
My gf is a blazer fan.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
u lucky.
mine ain’t a b-ball fan at all.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta convert her!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
One win at a time.
She actually likes Georgetown (where she went to school), so I think I can get her excited in the playoffs if I compare it to the NCAA tourney.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Just when I was starting to like you.
You go and mention your girlfriend is a Georgetown grad.
Probably an elitest as well.
Everyone from the DC area knows that the University of Maryland is where you go to get a first class education, free from the taint of elitism.
hakkaa päälle !
I recently dated a boy that looked exactly like Roy Hibbert
lol
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Let me guess --
shorter, right?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Well he was 6'5 so although he was
not PF height he was taller than the average dood…
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
wait, are you responding to your own comment?
thats not fair!
SOphia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
ATTENTION!
The next person to reply to this thread please start out at the left margin so we can all see who the heck we’re replying to!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Wait.. which thread???
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Any thread that's pinned against the right margin!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Ok fair enough :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Thanks
That’s a lot more substantive.
They said basically (I’m not quoting, just my impression of their article) that she came across as able to hold her own with Biden, not that she matched him necessarily, but that she looked like she belonged. That sort of sounds like what you are saying, nothing that stood out good or bad.
They probably decided it wasn’t important for her to fight the McCain-Bush linkage. If McCain can’t argue against it effectively, then nothing she says will help. If McCain persuades enough people against it, then there is no need for her to fight it.
They are in a tricky position. Bush still has a lot of supporters, and they don’t want to alienate them and have them not vote. But they also know there aren’t anywhere near enough of them to win the election, so they have to convince people that McCain isn’t Bush, too. That’s why Obama/Biden keep bashing on it, it’s a winning argument for them. I’m not saying it alone wins for them, but it makes it a lot harder for McCain.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
They might as well pack it in then
If they can’t break the Bush/McCain link than they we’ll probably see the biggest blowout election since Reagan/Mondale.
Bush has a 70% disapproval rating. He has a few supporters, but not nearly enough to win a national election.
That's what I said
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
She rectified her own reputation.
She did nothing for John McCain. She could be a good candidate for 2012. Seriously.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Maybe
I expect Republicans will still be in the wilderness in 2012, trying to figure out what they stand for.
HE HE
that was funny.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Palin could have her own ideas then
Maybe then she can talk about them rather than recite them from memory like she was taking an eigth grade spelling test.
HEHE :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
You two are so naughty.
Go to your rooms!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Plenty of places to watch it online.
Next excuse?
I'll be doing that this weekend
I look forward to it although if it’s like the Obama McCain debate, I don’t hold out much hope for any substance. Sound bites 24/7 don’t float my boat. I want real issues and real answers.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Excuse?
I was just asking people’s opinion, and said I hadn’t watched it yet.
Do I need an excuse for that? Good grief.
If you are trying to get in a fight with me, I’m too stubborn to get dragged into one. :)
I think you think I’m a conservative Republican or something. I don’t even live on that side of the water.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Hold up
This is what I was talking about earlier. Forget which side you are on and what is the opposition and what proposals she does or does not stand for:
Was that debate performance vote inspiring?
Is that the person you want to hire for the VP job? … that one day may be president?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
Hell no
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Well
That is exactly the question I was asking. Because the WaPost seemed to say she did ok on that front, and people here seem to think she did abominably. And it made me wonder if the perspective here was being skewed by opposition to her positions.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
You really wonder about that? lol
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
She's not intellectually vacant
She’s rather intelligent and she knows what makes people tick.
Her issue is that she’s intellectually not curious about the world.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Please repeat after me, basketball fans...
"aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAUGHHH!!!! AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH!!!!! AAAUAUAGAHHHHHHRRAGGEEE!!!!!
aAAAAAAARRRAGGGGGH!!! AAAARRRRAAAGHHHHH!!!!!! RRRAAAAAAARRRAAAAGGHGHGHGH!!!!!!!!!!"
Today’s Oregonian, p. D3:
“What you’re getting, because of the change of the power forward position, is that everybody is bumped down,” McMillan said. “The power forward is now a small forward. Power forwards back in the 1970s, ’80s, and early ’90s were bruisers. Centers are now power forwards.”
Actually, teams that run four jumpshooters and one rebounder do have a place in the NBA: sitting at home on the coach watching the playoffs on TV.
I vote NO CONFIDENCE in Nate McMillan with his 4/5 personnel decision-making. It is EXTREMELY fortunate that this year’s team is such as it is, to create the out-of-position, under-rebounding disaster that would inevitably follow if Nates “new” NBA personnel theories were tested out in real-life…
TOP TEAMS WILL DESTROY PHONY SMALL-BALL LINEUPS 8 TIMES OUT OF 10.
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"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
.... read AVOID CREATING for CREATE... (and they REALLY need to make posts editable...)
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
........... and read COUCH for COACH .......
……………… although the picture of 15 large humans squishing Nate come playoff time is an appealing mental image.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Oops
Didn’t see this before my snarky comment below. Just mentally shift it up here, please.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Not sure of your point
but Oden is going to be a center in the traditional mold, with the caveat that he might actually bend the mold considerably out of shape.
Aldridge and Frye may not be typical PF’s, but I suspect that LaMarcus will develop into something that looks like one, only with an outside shot and a face the basket skill set.
As for McMillan’s decision making – I’ll take it over any one else you might suggest, including your own.
hakkaa päälle !
My point exactly...
………………….. THIS TEAM is Nate-proof.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Fire NATE!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
NO........... Just make sure to have Nate-proof 4/5 rosters if you're gonna have Nate coaching...
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
But i bet nate is tasty
when bbq’d!!! He has all those delicious BB brains!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I keep reading Oden was a power forward
Maybe in his high school body. Not anymore.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
Dear timbo
No matter how much you dislike our coach Nate’s decision making, having the whole team sit at home on the coach is cruel and unusual punishment. Fire him, maybe. But have the whole team sit on him? No, this is not on.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
................... Tell me that the vindictive corpse of Al Davis wouldn't have had the Raiders' O-line do the same thing to Lane Kiffin if he had thought of it first!!!
………………………… If I had a little kid, I’d have ’em dressing up as Al Davis this year!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Al lost it when he moved the Team to LA
That pic is Snarly Dude.
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
his face looks like it's falling off!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I like the Raiders rocks glass, that's good, good stuff...
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Oh, the sunglasses are good...
………………………….. Nearly Dead or Undead — you be the judge!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
........................ if a little kid trick-or-treats the store dressed as Al Davis this year, they're getting 5 pounds of candy!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
You'd think a real vampire would be WEARING his sunglasses, eh?
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Before I went off topic...
… I was going to post that big YAAAHHH!!!!
One reason I couldn’t get too upset over the Sonics leaving was I hopefully thought it might mean I’d get to see Blazer games televised up here.
So, yes there is a God, and he is merciful.
hakkaa päälle !
You gots CSN_NW?
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
Jamaal Tinsley coming to a ball club near you? (still a rumor, so it goes here instead of in the fanshots/posts)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3623836 (original report was by the New York Post’s Peter Vecsey, who is friends with Tinsley)
There are rumors of an imminent trade between Denver and Indiana of Chucky Atkins and Steven Hunter for Jamaal Tinsley. Ugh. As much a Tinsley is stupid for his off-court tirades, he would be an upgrade over Atkins and maybe even Carter for the Nuggets, also being able to at least sometimes defend the bigger guard in a combo with Iverson.
PG: Tinsley, Carter
SG: Iverson, Smith
SF: Anthony, Kleiza
PF: Martin, Andersen
C: Nene
If they find another decent big man before the deadline, that could be quite a battle for the third spot in the division.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
Yeah
He’d be great defending Roy or Rudy, right?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Just as long as Tinsley doesn't end-up on the Blazers
and thus open the door for Brent Jonathan Beck to crow.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I'd love to see that happen
though I can’t recall the last time Billups stepped on the sideline while dribbling upcourt.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Did someone already post that the Nuggets signed
Smush Parker and Ruben Patterson?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
Don't think so
They also signed Juwan Howard today. A cemetery of formerly decent players in training camp…
Well, they are still looking for one guard and one big man apparently.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
Lots of teams make trades
but there’s something desperate about what the Nugs are doing.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Normally I respect your judgement
But Parker was never close to decent
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Fan Fest Ripoff
Just got back into town yesterday and went to several Portland area Wells Fargo locations to get tickets for Friday’s Fan Fest and was told that all locations are out of tickets but I could get in with a Wells Fargo credit card. Seems like this is a Wells Fargo customer event more than a publc event.
I went to wells fargo and got tix
but i have bank of america. but i agree marketing has to be the work of miller..
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
So are you going to be there?
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
Yeah I got a ticket too
Just got a call from a friend who is jumping on my ticket because they couldn’t get one. My understanding is that you can have 30 people on one ticket, so you should find a friend to tag along with.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
dude you can even get in without showing your wells fargo card, just tell them your with Me!
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No Ripoff
Blazers just got back to me that you can get in without a ticket.
Yep, this was the truth
They never checked for or asked for any type of tickets.
This is the only politics that should be discussed on Blazers Edge.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
Thats SEXIST!
I have no idea what it is…just thought I’d pull the Woman card!
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
:-)
.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Someone signed Brent Petway! Or is it Petaway?
Who was it!? I remember this guy having the best dance moves from last years fan fest, oh, and he dunked like a man possesed!
Off work soon, I might go to lunch downtown, if I hear from a friend, otherwise I’m gonna round up my peoples, and descend upon my second home to see Greg smash a few rims and watch Jerryd rock a couple as well.
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
BARF!!!
Is it the 28th yet?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 3, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Are you sick? take some pepto
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Come'on Father Time ... go-go-go!
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
I couldn't get a ticket
I’ll just ask someone at the door if I can tag-along with them. Then I will follow them around all night and then ask them if they want to go to Sizzler’s for some grub.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
MMM Sizzlers
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I remeber going there when I was a kid, i thought they went out of business? Kids meals for $1.99
My mom would bring my two brothers and my 3 males cousins all close to the same age and when people would ask she would say, Yes they are all mine.
Oder you can tag along with me, I’ll be there before five pm though, I’ll be the guy wearing a blazers t shirt
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
When I said the Sizzlers comment
it was from the movie Happy Gilmore.
When I think of Sizzler’s I think of my best friends mom always taking us there. She was rail thin but she would always ask for the fat off of our steaks. She just loved to chew on the fat.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Going home
Goodnight everyone … enjoy the weekend.
Stay safe.
See you back here Monday.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
night night :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Hey
I enjoy the conversations on here. I love the community can talk back and forth on ideas, and even if we disagree we’re still civil and we’ll still drink that beer and cheer on the blazers!
well… I probably won’t drink that beer. I’m more into blended fruit drinks with or without the rum. I’ll bring the pineapple.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Wow, you just made me hungry for a pina colada!
I guess it’s time for lunch.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
yeah Im not for bear usually but I would def. have a diet coke :)
PG for sure huh?
Anyway I guess I look at what kind of supreme court justices each candidate will elect. The far extreme religious stances are fine because they dont effect me, untill they use them to gauge which justice to appoint. One new conservative justice would overturn some really important laws in this country, including those that Palin cant seem to name. John McCain has said that he wants justices to be STRICT constitutionalists and that would include going back to 1st ammendment.
Gawd I sudder to think of the rights that will be stripped.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Wow , I meant "beer" not "bear" ... although I dont like bears...
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Sophia, what specific 1st amendment rights do you fear losing?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
oh gawwwwwwwdddddddd where do I start.
Most important to me.
1. Board of EDU V. Grumet : The definitive conclusion was that the govt. has no right to prefer one religion v. another. This is just an example of a decision made under the Establishment clause in which the Congress can make no law preferring one religion to another. So basically Im worried about the free excercise and establishment of religion.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Who
is wanting to overturn that?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Im not saying that it is in danger of being overturned
im just noting an important example of the freedom we have in this country that could be in jeopardy w/ a majority conserv. supreme court.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Wait
You’re in fear that the rights will be stripped with a majority conservative court, but it isn’t in danger of being overturned and no one wants to, but it’s in jeopardy? If no one wants to overturn it, how is it in jeopardy?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
the simple answer
is due to a lack of respect for different views and ideas under the guise of religion.
It’s so much more complicated than that though. The time to be worried is before the inching is only an inch away.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
also insert the position of Palin to want to teach creationism in schools
which is against Board of EDU V. Grumet and the comments of Mcain alluding to the need to get Religion inserted more into politics.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
You can actually look at Iran
to see the direction such things COULD go. It used to have more freedoms before it became a religious based government.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
right ,im just going off of what they have said!!!
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Oh, come on
The Republicans are not Ayatollah Khomeini. I may live a long ways away, but that’s a little silly.
Iran didn’t slowly drift there. The government was overthrown by radical Muslims.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
and ours could as easily be overturned by radical christians.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I don't see many radical Christians
running around shooting people. In fact, that’s silly. Sorry, Sophia, you jumped the shark on that one.
The very, very few that would go that way (perhaps less than 1/100th of 1 percent of Christians) would be roundly condemned by all the others.
In any event, even if that were the case, that has nothing to do with electing conservatives. None of the candidates endorse such stuff. Illogic.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
No they wouldn't
because the small radical majority speak louder than the quiet majority. too many people stay quiet.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
You insult Christians
with that statement.
It hasn’t been true in Northern Ireland. The radical minority screamed and shot, but they were consistently condemned by the majority, and the majority has eventually won out.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
I sure hope the age of the crusades is behind humanity...
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
That was a papal decision
Christianity is too fragmented now for a pope with bad intent to be able to pull off something evil like that again.
Even Roman Catholicism is too fragmented for that, now. If a pope tried something like that, they’d find a way to remove him, or most Catholics would leave.
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You scoff
Here are things unimaginable years ago.
1.) Legal torture.
2.) American citizens can be accused of terrorism and whisked away robbed of due process.
3.) Spying by the CIA on it’s own citizens.
4.) Creationism as a legitimate scientific methodology.
5.) Total economic control giving to one government position without oversight by the courts or the government… that just passed.
6.) Nation wide identity card (social security card and passport)
As for Iran, you’re wrong there. It was not a gradual 30 year creep, but even that was over a period of years to slowly get people used to things. The people revolted to overthrow the current government because they thought there would be something better. Except they didn’t get what they wanted and the war with Iraq and religion were used to guide the people to where they are today.
Religion is dangerous when used for the reason to do things because it requires faith, not reason and not logic. Religion has increasingly inserted itself into our society and religion “in the name of good and not doing this makes you bad” is a way governments of the past have controlled people.
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by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Religion
has much LESS influence than it used to. I can’t believe this, actually.
Creationism was taught for years. In fact, the teaching of evolution in the schools was illegal until the Scopes trial.
I was actually alive and reading the news when the Shah fell. It wasn’t a creeping thing at all. Corruption led to the people rising when he became ill, and the religious zealots took advantage of the power vacuum.
That is nothing like what you are describing, a gradual move inch by inch. Extremism never comes gradually, it always happens when a charismatic leader comes to power and makes drastic changes. That is the lesson of history.
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Come On religion is the platform the Republicans run on
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Except for creationism,
the items on that list were implemented in response to an attack on the U.S., not as a result of Christians seeking to rob Americans of civil liberties. And without researching which Demos supported some of those changes, I’ll bet a good number of them did. Every change has been made in the light of day and discussed often in the media and in Congress. America has its faults, but Christians forcing you to your knees will never be one of them.
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That attack has been used to scare the bajesus out of the American people
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
and the democrats
that allowed such things to pass irk me too.
Social security was someting i tossed in there that was a HUGE deal back in the 20’s/30’s/40’s. I don’t know if cards still say it, but mine says “not to be used as a national identification card” or something along those lines. I don’t have it with me.
Things inch. the religious inching IS scary. Religion can be a wonderful thing, and it has also been used for great evil.
You should read up on some of Hitler’s helpers and how that transition took place. we’re really not as far off as you think.
I’m hopeful that such things won’t happen, but I’m also looking at the foundations of what have been put in place due to fears that have been amped up by people, and I AM concerned. History shows a clear line as to where such things lead, and that worries me.
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My opinion,
as a believer in Christ, is that all people, christian or not, have confused religion with faith. In fact, I prefer not even to use the term Christian anymore because it has been so warped by all the atrocities carried out in that name. Religion and faith are two entirely seperate things, one being a man-made institution and the other a supernatural, very personal part of a person’s life. I have faith, but do not consider myself religious. The confusion between faith and religion, I’ve found, is often the sticking point in arguments like this, where rules are debated that have nothing to do with faith, which is what being Christ-like (christian) is really all about. And I place that blame in the lap of the “christians” who don’t take the time to properly explain themselves or listen to another person’s point of view before dismissing them because it “goes against their religion.”
that’s my two cents, for what it’s worth. Which is probably not two cents. But I thought it might be a relevant side note to your guys’ thoughtful discussion.
by DrivetheLane on Oct 3, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
an edit to my above post
(and i even read it two or three time first. oops) the sentence beginning “And I place…” does not refer to anyone in the debate on this thread, but all “christians” everywhere who don’t differentiate between faith and religion, confuse the two, and then make the whole of christianity look bad. I’ve done this myself, so I wanted to make it clear I wasn’t pointing any fingers at anyone in particular.
I can agree to an extent
But when absolutely no one is advocating overturning something, none of the candidates, none of the judges, that sounds like paranoia.
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it's the inching
and inching is happening.
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Well
If you’ve got 10 million miles to go, and someone is inching, I’m not overly concerned.
If you could cite 2 or 3 justices who wanted to overturn, that would be one thing. Lacking any, and considering that no candidate is advocating overturning, you have to elect a candidate who would have a chance to appoint 5 justices, and would end up appointing five who disagreed with him on this point.
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nice try its not that far off.
the supreme court currently has equal conservatives and liberals and ONE , count it ONE independent that decides each issue. One more conserv. only one, would change the entire dynamic of our country.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Not on the issue you cited
They may be conservative, but I’ve got news for you. Not every conservative wants to take away religious liberty. In fact, hardly any do.
In fact, I’ve got more news for you. In Britain, it is the liberals who are restricting religious liberties.
One more conservative justice will not cause the case you cited to be overturned. Five more probably wouldn’t. Most conservatives support it.
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Well i have a feeling that the prez. will pick a justice that
thinks the way he does in order to push his agenda.
You are correct not every conserv. has the same agenda as Bush, Palin or McCain however McCain has said he wants Justices to ashere to his principles.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
WONDERFUL!
McCain doesn’t want to overturn religious liberty, and he wants justices to adhere to his principles. You are safe, Sophia! Nothing to fear! :)
Something to fear on Roe v Wade, perhaps. Nothing to fear on religious liberty.
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Well thats interesting because his voting record indicates that
he DOES , as does Palin, want to overturn, at least restrict religion liberty in the form of Muslim.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I'd be interested in this link too
I haven’t heard or read about this one.
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So you are saying that no Republicans want to make Christianity the state religion?
You can’t be serious.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe that McCain is a “true believer,” but to make the Republican base happy (aka some members of the Christian Taliban) he would definitely try to put an arch-conservative on the SCOTUS.
And don’t even get me started with the 10 Commandments stuff in the courts.
Don’t act like there is no history for that because there is.
Sophia, where is your fear coming from?
There is no history for any Christians or Republicans wanting to create a state religion. You say there is? Prove it. (Hey, turning the tables is fun!)
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Of course
that wasn’t sopia making that post :)
Look back at history. Heck, look at Sophia’s quote. There are always those who believe they know better.
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Oops, right! Sorry BlazerD
Let’s pretend I was answering him…
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The Ten Commandments
are
1) part of Jewish religion
2) part of Muslim religion
3) part of Christian religion
4) part of the historical legal tradition of the country
5) not being advocated as law by any serious person, but simply pushed as a symbolic acknowledgement of the historic and legal traditions of the country.
Find me more than two Senators or Representatives or Governors who are on record as wanting Christianity to be the state religion and I’ll believe you.
Nobody ever instituted a state religion gradually. It’s always been a big power play all at once. I’m acting like there is no history for it because there isn’t. Cite your examples from history of a state religion coming into play gradually against the desires of the populace.
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Is there a need to make it official?
Isn’t there an unspoken and unwritten common understanding that the constitutions in most Western states are based on values derived from Christian ethics/values (going back to the Greek philosophies cited by Sophia) anyway?
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salem witch trials?
I don’t know, that’s a bon-a-fied question.
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My Dad need an eye operation
That is being done in UK using fetal stem cells which cannot be done in this country because of of way right wing christian dogma.It must be Gods will that my Dad is blind and a sin of pride to change that.
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Silly
If it were just right wing Christian dogma, it wouldn’t stand. The fact is, there are Jews, Muslims, Catholics, non-Catholics, and atheists, left and right, who have moral reservations about abortion and fetal stem cells.
And there is no verse in the Bible or any other religious book that prohibits this. It is a moral, not a religious, decision.
If you want to eliminate all moral decisions from government, then go for it. Legalize paedophilia, murder, theft, etc.
If you want to argue that this moral decision is wrong, by all means, go for it. You may be right, the decision may in fact be an immoral one. But it isn’t state religion. I know what state religion is. It’s watered down, but we still have it. No Catholic can be the British monarch. Anyone in America proposing anything like that?
Crickets chirp.
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Same argument applies to
the Supremes becoming more liberal if Obama wins.
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however nothing is gonnna be overturned.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
How many judges could he appoint in the next four years
Not enough to swing the direction I suppose.
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Sure
It only takes one, and there’s a couple old ones on there. Besides, if he wins it’s probably eight years (sorry, Hillary).
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Personally
I like a nice balance. debate is good as long as it’s not personal debate and focuses on the issues.
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But thats the thing, both Palin and MCCain say they want to over turn
roe v wade so whats stopping them from overturning that?
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Well, if that's your issue
I can understand your concern, since there are also justices who want to do that. Maybe one, maybe two key appointments and it goes.
I don’t get the religious freedom thing at all. But when a candidate says they want to do something, that’s quite different.
I think Roe v. Wade is bad law, though. Let the people decide. What’s the big deal? As long as the majority are in favor of abortion rights, you have no problem. If the majority are against, who are nine men on the SCOTUS to say they can’t.
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How do you not get the freedom thing?
I don’t get the religious freedom thing at all.
Thats absurd. I value the right to practice any religion I want and also the right to want no religion at all.
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
That's not what I meant.
I don’t get the fear about religious freedom, because no one wants to overturn it. Least of all Christians.
If you ask evangelical Christians, they are afraid of the loss of their freedom, they aren’t thinking about taking someone else’s religious freedom away.
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Then why do they go on and on about making this a "Christian Nation"?
Don’t try to pretend it doesn’t exist, Jscot, there are many, many Christians who would like nothing better than to make Christianity the state religion and part of the gov’t.
Just look at Huckabee! He actually had the audacity to say that the Constitution should be reformed on principles of the Bible. That is exactly what is turning people off.
Yup, you have to go to church to hear it
It’s called Kingdom Theology. That God has anointed Christians to be the stewards of government, corporations, and education. To be the light of the world in all areas of life so to speak. That fundamental Christian values are reflected in the public and private sphere. The majority of Christians will not directly say state religion or anything of that sort, the euphemism is Kingdom Theology.
I sense Sarah Palin is open to the mixing of state and church due to her background in AG.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
The majority of Christians will not directly say that
because the overwhelming majority of Christians reject Kingdom Theology.
That Christians should seek to influence the world for good is something everyone should support. That Christians are to be the stewards of government, corporation, and education is absurd, and few Christians support that idea. Christ said His kingdom is not of this world, or His servants would fight.
Kingdom theology is a perversion of His teachings, and few accept it.
It is not universally accepted in the AG, either. I don’t know if it was taught in the church Palin used to be in. But, um, she left that church.
“I sense” needs to have some substance behind it. Do you have anything more than “I sense” and “she used to attend an AG church” to support the idea that she accepts kingdom theology? That I would be interested in, but I’ve heard nothing of the sort, and her current church certainly does NOT advocate kingdom theology.
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OK, there are a few
I’ll give you Huckabee. He says some scary things.
McCain agreed with him, right? Well, no. So that’s why people are afraid of McCain?
The Republican party agreed with him, right? Well, no.
McCain chose him as VP? Well, no.
OK, I’ll give you that he’s out there. On the fringe, where he belongs. McCain didn’t choose him. McCain doesn’t agree with him. His party doesn’t agree with him.
If Huckabee were the VP, or McCain had not argued with him, I’d see your point.
There were Democratic candidates who want to do lots of things Obama doesn’t support. Should we fear Obama because of things other candidates say with which he disagreed?
Sorry, this is silly. To argue against McCain on the basis of religious liberty is to obscure the real issues.
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We're not actually at that point yet
but government has been inserted into politics, and that’s the start.
There’s a reason why separation of church and state is important.
It’s the small steps that you take to get there that people don’t notice that are dangerous, because when you finally get there… no one notices that anything should be wrong. Take a look at the acceptance, by this nation, of torture. 8 years ago, that would have been impossible.
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ahem!!!
RELIGION has been inserted into politics.
OH man.. i"ll be laughing at myself for a while.
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LOL
When I read that, I was really hoping you wouldn’t catch it yourself. Too bad.
But religion has always been inserted into politics. Always.
Your Declaration of Independence said all men have been endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. That’s religion right there. Thomas Jefferson wrote it. Jefferson.
They were never trying to keep religion out of politics. They were keeping politics out of religion. No state religion, no established church. I wish we had that here. They wanted to block the mess we’ve had in the UK for hundreds of years.
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You can't mix one
and not mix the other.
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Who is the creator is the question, is it not?
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Doesn't matter
That was religion. You criticize Palin for wanting to teach creation in the schools, but Jefferson taught it in the Dec. of Independence. Doesn’t matter what kind of creation it was. If the Declaration of Independence was written today, the left would object to its use in the schools because of that clause. That shows just how skewed things have gotten.
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Creationism
as science and creationism as faith are two VERY different things.
The catholic church has divided them very clearly and declared that they are not mutually exclusive.
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Irrelevant to my point
Creationism was taught in the schools for 150 years, and evolution forbidden until Scopes (1929?). Kind of silly to say that religion is gaining influence, when it used to be taught a lot more than anyone is proposing today.
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And the case I quoted directly adresses the religion in schools issues
in which the supreme court decided that congress cant make any law prohibiting the free exercise of religion or the right to have no religion at all. Schools can teach religion or not, it’s not Congress’ business. And that is what I agree w/. Palin wants to MANDATE creationism, which is a Christian teaching/belief
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Hmm
Rat just argued that creationism as science is not the same as creationism as religion. I’ll let you two fight it out.
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Creationism is science?
Its dogma and the two are mutually exclusive.
by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not strictly true
There is some scientific evidence that supports a younger earth theory. That’s science. Trying to reconcile the scientific evidence is science.
Trying to postulate exactly how this world came into existence isn’t strictly science, whatever your theory, though. The scientific method is based on repeatable experiments, and no one is repeating the start of the universe.
All you can do is look at the evidence and speculate as to what fits the evidence the best. Anyone who says they know how things happened is not operating in the realm of science.
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The"evidence"
I have heard put forward to support the young earth theroy dosent stand up to even the most casual scientific examination.
by southern oregon on Oct 4, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That's funny
neither does the theory of evolution.
People choose what they want to believe. If you choose to believe there is no god, then you will believe all the evidence and arguments that support that view. If you choose to believe God exists, same result. Stop pretending you are being swayed by the evidence, because the premise for either worldview is nothing more than what you choose it to be.
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Its okay i know what you meant.
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I'm out!
C ya’ll at the Fan Fest.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions
Pelosi's leadership = $100 billion in tax breaks
I hate gloating. But I said the bailout would pass, after the Republicans got more concessions.
Add $100 billion in tax breaks, and it passes.
Pelosi gave them the political cover to do that and extract more concessions with her speech.
If you like those extra tax breaks, you appreciate what Pelosi did. If you don’t like those tax breaks, then you have to recognize that her stupid speech helped them to pull it off.
Nancy Pelosi. The best Democratic leader the Republicans have ever had.
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except
I won’t see any of those tax breaks, and the budget can’t afford those tax breaks.
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I guess you don't like them
So you probably don’t appreciate Pelosi giving the Reps political cover to extract them.
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So, you'd rather
blame Pelosi for giving the republicans “cover” vs. blaming the republicans directly for demanding the breaks as a precondition for voting for the package?
I blame both
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Did you see the Gordon Smith inserted an earmark that is money for arrows for children archers
? LOL I thought that was funny
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
I groaned
and cracked up. There’s something that will be a haunting some people in the future!
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I know Good Old Gordi :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
With all do respect to John McCain
I would like to inquire as to how the war in Vietnam is now spun into something heroic and good? I wasn’t alive then and have a small understanding of the conflict, but I have always been under the impression that America was the “bad guy” in that war? Wrong for me to assume?
Anyway, I have to work. LOL so I would like to say I enjoy the rousing poltical banter between my blazer comrads. You all are great.
One of my favorite quotes that I think fits nicely into these last couple of threads:
Woe to that nation whose literature is cut short by the intrusion of force. This is not merely interference with freedom of the press but the sealing up of a nation’s heart, the excision of its memory.
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Wow
America was the bad guy.
Just to be clear, the North Vietnamese, backed by China, invaded South Korea. At South Korea’s request, America helped to fight the North Vietnamese.
America did not start the war. America helped the country that had been invaded by one country intent on annexing another country.
Atrocities were committed on both sides. A small minority of bad apples among the Americans committed war crimes, and were tried and punished. Many more atrocities were committed by the North, many more, but there were indeed some on both sides. The North Vietnamese tortured their prisoners. McCain cannot type because of the torture.
(Obama ran an ad criticizing McCain for being out of touch because he never uses email. McCain can’t use email because he can’t type because of the torture. Nice ad. Nice above board politics there. You lost some respect from me with that one, mate.)
It was a very complex situation. Very questionable as to whether the U.S. should have gotten involved. But the bad guys? That’s a horrible misrepresentation. If that is what you were taught, no wonder you have some of the ideas you have, because somebody’s been feeding you some awful propaganda. Sorry, that’s just crazy. Is that what they are teaching in American schools now?
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LOL
South Vietnam. Sorry.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Ok so I WAS working but I cant resist
This would have been a great oppurtunity to educate me, because I admitted I know very little about the Vietnam war. Although you provided some examples the rest of the post you resulted to the tactic of insulting my intelligence and education.
That’s a horrible misrepresentation. If that is what you were taught, no wonder you have some of the ideas you have, because somebody’s been feeding you some awful propaganda. Sorry, that’s just crazy. Is that what they are teaching in American schools now?
If you believe that the use of propaganda is something that only one side of our government uses your are not smart. The simple fact that you believe that America could not be perceived to be the “bad guy” indicates to me that your views are the result of propaganda.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Sorry
No intent to insult. I just can’t believe anyone is portraying this as a “bad guy” situation. It was a complex situation, but America was trying to help. Misguided, many (probably most) think. And no, I don’t think only one side uses propaganda. But if America is portrayed as the “bad guy” in Vietnam, that’s propaganda.
I believe America could be perceived to be the bad guy in a lot of situations. But not in Vietnam. Foolish? Yes, I can see that point of view.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
that's total bs(the part i quote below)
(Obama ran an ad criticizing McCain for being out of touch because he never uses email. McCain can’t use email because he can’t type because of the torture. Nice ad. Nice above board politics there. You lost some respect from me with that one, mate.)
John McCain can write so clearly he can use his hands, he can type. Besides that even if he couldn’t type there are plenty of devices that use speech recognition so if he wanted to use e-mail he could.
TominHawaii is secretly a huge Jazz fan
Right
http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
He dictates emails to his wife, he has since at least 2000.
“McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.” Boston Globe, March 2000.
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml
(That article also says he supported stem cell research, and has supported gay Republicans, among other things that you lefties don’t want to give him credit for.)
Sorry, this was one of Obama’s bad mistakes. His supporters should just admit it and move on, but they won’t. They won’t admit that the Golden Boy ever makes any mistakes, or that McCain has ever done anything worth while.
Guess what? They’re both imperfect, flawed people. Both of them. That’s life.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
WHA-WHA-WHAAAAAT?!?!?!?
Just to be clear, the North Vietnamese, backed by China, invaded South Korea
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
LOL
fixed above now, sorry about that. South Vietnam.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Kevin Love has a lot of (mostly useless) trick shot skills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GFGPqdpEAk
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
geez it's been a long while
no matter how things seem to change they seem to always stay the same on this site.
Welcome back
Though technically I can’t welcome you back since I only lurked and didn’t post here a year ago. But the official committee should be here any minute.
Oh, and you missed your own welcome back thread by a couple of days. Some people started questioning your “second coming”…
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
I've been waiting for this post.
I joined after you had gone on your self-exilement. And the hype has preceded you. And you used a period. I’m already a bit disappointed :)
welcome back.
Fatty you GOOF
You were supposed to be here a while ago.
Welcome back!
It’s about time.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
thank-you
very much fellas i’ved been very humbled without you guys lol.
What's the word on Greg Oden, Fatty?
Thoughts on the surprising season last year or this upcoming season? What did you do all that time?
wow
seriously i’ved been on the wwe tour with my nephew
Tell us about that, please.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
as for the blazers
last year just prove to every blazers fan around the world why roy&aldridge is foundation of this franchise..
oden*rudy*my new guy
bay*bay are the icing on the cake also the leaps and bounds of outlaw is exciting
A JBay Face for ya
Welcome back, Jack
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
every blazers fan
should be giddy for the next 3-5 years !!!! also this do or die for mr.webster heehee
HE'S BACKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Why hello there, Fatty
Good to see you again and I hope all is well.
Martell is gonna EXPLODE ‘dis year, m’boy! You just watch n’ see!
Not that we need him to explode, we got more than enough goodies to explode in our mouths with gooey squirts of delicious basketballness.
Huh?
Welcome back, Fatty! Be careful of using asterisks, they’ll bold what you say now…
Mortimer
mortimer&miledanimal
thankk-you for the kind words and yes it feels good to be back.
We're counting on you. Don't let us down!
Wrong scene, I know, but that’s all I could find!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
bluebooyay
thank-you dude and yes i have a mancrush on bay*bay
Hellyah!
I cannot wait for some Games that count to start.
This is goin’ be one heckava ride. All “On Board”.
Whoot, Whoot!
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
Politics
Yuck! This Junk Drawer is jaked up (and slows down my computer)
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
Welcome back
Nice to see you here again.
"Greg Oden is the strongest guy in the NBA" - Channing Frye.
Fatty
what’s the word with your fiancee and her cancer, man?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
See ya Later Juice!
It wont bring two people back to life but its a great start. GUILTY!
"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...
That about sums it up
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
jscot
thanks for asking she’s getting better and her memory is a lot sharper thank god!!!
Superb!
Nephews doing ok?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Your spelling and grammar has improved a lot from the fatty everybody has been talking about since when I joined in the site.
Nice to meet you.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
NEW JUNK DRAWER IS UP, PLEASE UNREC THIS ONE AT YOUR CONVEEEEEEEENIENCE!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
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