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Comcast to broadcast Blazer games in Washington

 

"The Blazers could help fill a viewing void for NBA fans after the Seattle SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City this summer. The network will air 55 Blazers games, along with 60 NHL games featuring either the Vancouver Canucks or San Jose Sharks."

 

Mmmmm, more converted Seattle fans





And in a battle of two titans Wednesday, the vice-presidential nominees faced off in St. Louis.
Am I the only one who finds Palin pretty hot? Maybe it's just a lady dressing in a suit that's hot to me, who knows.



Oh, and GO DEVIL RAYS!

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You darn faster man!!!! ;-)

I´ve made my own “Junk Drawer Inquiry” fanpost, but you beat me by few seconds. So I surrender my flag-post an leave it on here as a comment-offering to your victory.

"Following Tominhawaii´s written instructions, I´m trying to full the recommended fanposts section with amlmart1´s posts. I´m having that Scottishesque moment not for power but for glory.

Following Tominhawaii´s not written instructions (our brains are conected), I invite you all fellow Bedgers to start your own investigation about what nickname has been using KP to post in BE. I know this is the Junk Drawer, but this time try to give some good reasons to support your statement (I´m Davesque too).

KP, you can´t play this game.

Have a nice day. "

   

Sergio + Rudy = 16

by amlmart1 on Oct 3, 2008 3:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really? Haha

On my screen, it said Mine was posted one minute ago, and yours two minutes ago. I was going to delete mine but first I clicked to read what was in yours first, then went back to the home page and you deleted yours already.

Funny how we got different times.

Resident Smartass.

by Devyn on Oct 3, 2008 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio + Rudy = 16?

"People? You man Sheeple."

by Mike-Fu on Oct 3, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!

Sergio and Rudy´s jersey numbers 11+5= 16.

16= Playoffs

I´m doing camping for my Spanish players ;-)

CHOCOLAAAATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Sergio + Rudy = 16

by amlmart1 on Oct 3, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't you prefer if USA Today's season preview of the #5 spot became true?

Rudy = 5 = great playoff spot :)

On the other hand I liked reading that Rudy’s first training camp basket was an alley oop from Sergio.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hola, Amimart!

Thanks for all the posts and translations. One of my favorite translation stories is about a young woman who wanted some rabbits: going to the farm, she intended to ask the grower if she buy his conejos, but she was dyslexic … and asked how valuable were his cojones.

You use of camp … “Camping for my Spanish players” … prompts una pregunta about the action engaged
“You can’t do camp on purpose.” Susan Sontag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)

"One must assume responsibility for being in a weird world: we are in a weird world ... Touch the world sparingly." Carlos Castenada (Journey to Ixtlan)

by Caveowl on Oct 3, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

edit: “Your” use of camp (And I disagree with Sontag)

"One must assume responsibility for being in a weird world: we are in a weird world ... Touch the world sparingly." Carlos Castenada (Journey to Ixtlan)

by Caveowl on Oct 3, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man it should be "campaign".

More I write, less I check out.

About your joke, “conejo” is in Spain also a nickname for the female sexual organ.

Sergio + Rudy = 16

by amlmart1 on Oct 3, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like this...

>^,v.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 3, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did my part amlmart

I de-rec’d some poor sap’s fanpost that had five recs which knocked him off the frontpage and put another one of YOUR posts back in the top 5

Now if you do the junk tomorrow you’ll have four…

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 3, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

palin

man. after last nights preformance. I can’t vote for the pack-ee-derms. I just can’t. God bless my grandfather, but dam it. I just can’t. won’t. I just….AIN’T GONNA DO IT.. she’s as dense as a sack of rocks. no, denser!! a sack of lead. She was great at dodging the questions and putting together 2 incohearant sentences, (a trait I’m great at but she sucks). I love my family, I love my loyalties. so I will not be casting a vote after that pittiful display of knowledge.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 3, 2008 6:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I didn’t see it, but MSNBC’s analysis says “Palin delivers, but doubts linger”. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27004258/

The Washington Post and MSNBC are hardly a Republican bunch. If it was Fox, I’d shrug. But they seem to think she handled herself fairly well. Wondering what you saw that was different….

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion on red or blue aside ...

Forget about any policy issues’ merit or political party affiliation for a moment:

If Mrs. Palin were held to the same standard that Mrs. Clinton would have been held in such a debate, and Clinton performed as Palin did, the pundits would be dumping rotting restaurant trash on her.

Palin’s performance — when viewed as an interview for one of the highest jobs in the world — was purely amateur.

Her performance was much more like a high-school president candidate’s speech: smiles, high hopes, nice-sounding words of encouragement, but absolutely no detail, no real way of accomplishing or really even addressing the points she made, and zero ability to answer a straight-ahead question.

Sen. Clinton would have been booed had she given such a performance. Booed.

Why does Gov. Pail get a pass and polite applause? She deserves (regardless of her political views and based only on her debate performance) a fail grade and guilty laughter from onlookers.

As a person seeing the seriousness of our times and the seriousness of the job, I was disgusted.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's getting to the point that it doesn't matter what your skill set and...

abilities are or how good a leader you might be, but how smooth you look on TV.

I’ve listened to friends of mine bash Bush repeatedly because of the way he talks. They automatically assume the guy is an idiot. News flash – the guy is no idiot. You can criticize him on his policies and performance (in fact I find I’m usually much better at that than the Bush bashers) but knocking him on how he mangles sentences is a sign you either think you are smarter than he is (an elitest) or that your understanding is even shallower than his.

I don’t know if anyone here owns a company and has to hire people, but smart companies know that it is often better to hire talented people who may lack specific job experience than to hire a person who might have more experience at a particular task. They know they can always train a person in the specifics of the job, but it is much harder (and more expensive) to develop skill sets and abilities. Sarah Palin has demostrated a pretty impressive skill set. She may not be the most knowledgeable person on either of the tickets, but that is not very important.

I think one thing Palin has doing for her is that she is not the typical Washington politician. We can look at her and say that she reminds us of people we know. That she is a mom and a homemaker and sportswoman, etc, doesn’t mean she is stupid. Being smooth is not the same as being smart.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really bud?

Seriously … you didn’t think she was trying to push forward how folksy and friendly she is and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ as a way to cover up her glaring inabilities?

If the shoe were on the other foot, and the Gov of BlueState got up there and delivered the same debate performance for the Democratic ticket, would your response be: “She may not be the most knowledgeable person on either of the tickets, but that is not very important.” ???

What is this skill set too, other than trying to be “smooth” in an “aw-shucks” sorta way? Really, what skills?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, seriously.

I’m not a fan of Clinton, but I give her credit when she gives a good speech. I’m unlikely to vote for Obama (I’ve been a McCain fan for years), but I aknowledge his oration skills and don’t bash the man.

Both you and grimc appear to have already made up your mind and hence are willing to find fault whereever you can. I could point out how Joe Biden often went off topic instead of directly answering questions (as any experienced politician learns to do) or how he followed his handler’s advice of making his attacks on McCain, rather than challenging Palin directly. But overall he did a pretty good job. Joe Biden is smart, experienced and a good man. I’m not going to trash him.

I think more than anything what this election season has confirmed with me is how hypocritical liberals, progressives, Democrats (pick your label) are. They bashed Clinton while basically giving Obama a free pass from serious criticism and attack Palin on the most petty and even low points. The only valid topic she’s been attacked on has been experience and even that takes an incredible amount of chutzpah when one considers the experience level of Obama.

Unfortunately for me, as a Republican I’m stuck with my own set of hypocrites, with the difference primarily being hypocracy on a different set ot issues.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a more "partisan" note

I would like to add that I have been turned off by all negativtiy surrounding her lately. I dont think she’s an idiot. I dont agree w/ any of her policies and as for the bad interviews i think her “handlers” are more to blame, because they kept her soo dang sequestered.

She is a smart women who has done a remarkable job in Alaska. However, it doesnt translate to the rest of the country because she is soo suprising uneducated on Foreign policy and doesnt have any experience with it to replace her lack of knowledge.

She also has allowed John McCain to prop her up as a symbol of progression on the women’s rights front when he has opposed and stood with people that oppose women’s right to equal pay for equal work. I would have liked Biden to note that if she is elected VP she will make roughly 14% less than he would just because she is a women.

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have some political propaganda...

VIDEO

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i cant watch youtube at work.

:(

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I shouldn't....

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither

I also can’t hit any sites with the words Sports or Blog in the URL.
PLEASE DAVE, DO NOT AD THESE WORDS TO WHATEVER YOU HAVE GOING HERE!

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

that would be a travesty.

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Palin does not personally deserve the negativity

but because of the position she’s running for, she really does. She is flat out not qualified.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know almost nothing about her personally that hasn’t had to do with her vindictively (and allegedly) firing state employees for not firing personal foes … but this is only an allegation. Nothing has been proven. So really, I know nothing about her personality. And frankly, I think that is the lesser of her problems.
She is the least “presidential” person I have ever seen (GWB being a close second at first) and appears to relish the role, but that’s not the real problem.
The real problem is she doesn’t seem to have any idea of what’s going on. She’s in way over her head.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The cop she wanted fired tasered his stepson.

She denies that she fired someone because he wouldn’t fire that cop, but she could and should have fired him for that reason alone. Somebody who protects a cop who does that shouldn’t keep his job.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said ...

I know very little about her …
Do you have personal knowledge of this incident?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mentioned in Times of London

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4663977.ece

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/palin.trooper/

Note he admits it but pretends it was all a joke.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some people

have VERY poor sense of humor and judgment.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

well said

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was great.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

and frankly i think it reflects ALL the debates and everyone who went!

Of course, they had slightly different graphs. they couldn’t tell folksy mom stories!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That’s the kind of political commentary I can go for.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lollll

hilarious

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 3, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clinton

showed a lower emotional IQ than Obama. That was clear in their debates. Obama is very smooth, where Clinton wasn’t. Additionally, clinton is a divisive figure. Obama did not carry the same baggage. Finally, clinton is more liberal that Obama with what she wants. Obama is more of a pragmatist.

I understand the generalizations you make about liberals, but keep in mind that along those same lines I could then bash you for denying science and lacking the basic knowledge as to what science is.

As for Palin, she’s not educated. She does not have experience and a few years as Governor and Mayor, before that, do not have her qualified in the experience. She has not shown curiosity about the world and have a VERY extreme religious view point on things.

I find the education worrisome, but that does not equate wisdom. I acknowledge that.

I find the lack of experience worrisome, but great people can certainly rise to the challenge when given the opportunity.

I find her extreme religious views and desire of creation to be a science to be incredibly bothersome and a large indication on how badly her education is lacking. I recognize that these views are differences of opinion, although the creation stance is ignorance. (The catholic church has stated that creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive, and frankly a lot of science helps support the concept of god.)

Mostly, I find her lack of curiosity incredibly worrisome. People may point to Abe Lincoln as a man without education, but he educated himself. He was curious about the world and asked questions. Palin does not. She works the crowds. THIS is what I find most concerning. Any democrat who was so poorly fit for office would be shot down or laughed at.

Those are my stances. Yes I’ve made up my mind because I’ve been paying attention to this for a while. I don’t think McCain would have done well with the economy, but I didn’t mind him either as I think he could have done some good. The acceptance of Palin, however, drove a dagger through McCAin and my likely hood to be okay accepting him as president. There is no way I’d vote for Palin for president and McCain will be the oldest president voted into office in history… a vote for him IS a vote for her.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paragraph of the... FOREVER!
I understand the generalizations you make about liberals, but keep in mind that along those same lines I could then bash you for denying science and lacking the basic knowledge as to what science is.

I guess I shouldn’t judge all Republicans based on what one of them says in my sig., right?

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is unique

and the loud minority generally shout out the silent majority.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...

that signature cracked me up!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind them becoming Lesbians.

So long as I can watch.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

highly offensive comment

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More crude than anything.

gutter talk.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Robertson...uggggh

Are there any Christians that like him? Are there any NON Christians that like him?

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 3, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps his wife likes him

Has he been given a speech at the GOP convention since that one? I don’t think the GOP likes him anymore, either.

Chavez likes him. He helped to shore up old Hugo with the people of Venezuela. They were getting tired of him, but calling for his assassination was stupid beyond stupid. Robertson does stupid pretty well sometimes.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 4, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama's experience vs Palin

BA in political science

Attended Harvard law

12 some years of teaching of constitutional Law. That right there is impressive, but it does lack real experience.

8 years as a state legislator… experience there

3 years in the senate… a bit short, but plenty of political and constitutional law background.

Compared to Palin:

BA in communication/journalism

6 years as mayor of a small town

2 years as governor

How does Palin have more experience or education than Obama?

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shouldn't we compare McCain with Obama and Palin with Biden?

Not that I would contest your list or conclusion.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point being made

is that Palin is qualified because Obama is and that she has more experience.

Her ability to be a leader is addressed as “yeah, but Obama has less experience and she’s the only executive leader out there. If Obama can be a leader, then why would you object to our choice?”

I’m simply poking at the fallacy of that argument.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bottom line is that the "Obama is not experienced enough to lead" issue is off the table...

…………………………. McCain made a big boo-boo with his Veep pick that way… He should have went with GOVERNOR Romney or GOVERNOR Huckabee, if he was so set on a Governor — both of whom had been thoroughly vetted over the course of the campaign…

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And people might actually have believed Romney that he has a plan to fix the economy

Or not, and that people like him created the mess :)

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be surprised
Seriously … you didn’t think she was trying to push forward how folksy and friendly she is and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ as a way to cover up her glaring inabilities?

I suspect she pushes forward how folksy and friendly she is, and how she’s probably very nice to have over for a BBQ because their internal polling says that is likely to win votes.

A lot of people will vote for the “just an ordinary guy (or girl) like me” candidate. It’s effective. Clinton used it quite a bit, I believe, even though he was quite brilliant (whatever one thinks of his positions [political ones, that is], the guy was brilliant). He could have talked the elite language, but didn’t.

No one suggested that Clinton was using that schmoozing because he couldn’t handle the issues. He did it because it works. And that is most likely why Palin is doing it, too. That doesn’t mean she’s brilliant, but I don’t think her style proves anything.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have enough trouble

speaking for myself.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally, I have to disagree with you, jscot

I watched the debate at work. On the drive home, I was listenting to one of the many liberal talk-show hosts here in the Bay Area discuss the debate. He made a point with which I agreed, that both Palin and Biden would have been suicidal to come to the debate pretending to be someone they are not. I actually ended up liking both of them and thought they both did a great job, much better than either of their running mates did in the first presidential debate.

Typical of Palin bashers, callers to the show to which I was listening bashed Palin on her lipstick, the way she talked, and other superficial nonsense. They would have howled with rage if such criticisms had been directed against Hillary.

Yeah, Clinton was so brilliant that he expanded the Community Reinvestment Act that created the current subprime mortgage mess.

I wouldn’t have disagreed with you, jscot, if only you had accepted my request to be your mini-me.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

As if I could be bought by something so trivial as your agreement.

So you are saying she was “folksy” because that’s really the way she is. You may be right, I wouldn’t know. But I can just about guarantee that McCain wanted a folksy VP candidate because it would play well, so either that was a factor in why he chose her or she is choosing to emphasize that aspect of her personality because it plays well, or both.

As to Clinton’s brilliance, I never said he had good policies. He pushed the policies that were best for Bill, as Bill perceived what was best for himself. Sometimes that meant it would help him get or hold more power. Sometimes that meant things that would help him get or hold other things besides power. Bill was all about Bill — but Bill wasn’t stupid.

Neither is GWB. Not stupid at all. Neither is Rove, or Cheney, or Obama, or Biden, or Kerry, Hillary, or Reid, or McCain. Pelosi? She’s a case all by herself. I actually think she is stupid. The rest of these people are very smart, and many of them are perhaps very dangerous precisely because they aren’t stupid. But Pelosi has managed to convince me otherwise.

We’ve got a few stupid politicians over here, too. Charles Kennedy always struck me that way. But most of them are very intelligent, and that’s how they get the power they get.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whaddya mean my agreement is trivial?!

Nice zinger.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I should feel ashamed of that one, but I’m actually quite proud of it. That’s my evil nature peeking through.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CRA didn't cause the subprime mess.

CRA only applies to thrifts and banks. Merrill Lynch, AIG, Lehman—they aren’t/weren’t thrifts and banks. Try learning about Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which cleared the way for mortgage securities to be created.

Blaming CRA is just wingnuts going back to form: Blaming Clinton, minorities and poor people. Yawn.

by grimc on Oct 3, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blaming Clinton = blaming minorities and the poor?

Quite a stretch, grimc. Put your tar brush back in the bucket, okay?

Abraham Miller writes:

As you can imagine, wonderful things happen when the government strong arms corporations as to how they should spend their money and, better yet, how they should assess the qualifications of home buyers. So the country’s biggest buyers of mortgages were pressured into lowering the qualifications of applicants, in order to increase the percentage of poor that got mortgages. By 2006, 30% of all mortgages went to people who in any other circumstances wouldn’t qualify.

Now the political left would like you to know that the CRA-controlled institutions did not lend the largest percentage of sub-prime mortgages. But that’s information by deception, because the mortgage business is a competitive business. If the government strong arms one part of the business, the other part will respond. And strong arm was what the Clinton administration did, even using the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to pressure banks to lend more money to the disadvantaged. Caught in the act, a spokesman for the office noted that its abuse of power was “for the best of intentions:” the same inclination used to pave the road to hell.

Link!

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reveals a complete lack of understanding of the markets

Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Lehman didn’t make the bad loans, in general. The thrifts and banks made the bad loans. CRA was a factor.

They then sold them to investors/investment banks such as Merrill Lynch and Lehman. There’s your mortgage securities being created. If the bad loans were not bad loans, there would be no problem.

The problem is not mortgage securities. The problem is bad loans. If there aren’t bad loans, mortgage securities are a good and reasonable investment to make. If you think the problem is mortgage securities, you simply don’t understand what a mortgage security is.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if people are bashing her

for her lipstick, those bashes are without merit and are just stupid.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

I hate that pettiness.
It undermines the real problems with total vacuous nonsense.

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're voting for Obama?
I don’t know if anyone here owns a company and has to hire people, but smart companies know that it is often better to hire talented people who may lack specific job experience than to hire a person who might have more experience at a particular task

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

nicely done

by grimc on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Experience has been rendered a somewhat obsolete argument in this election, hasn’t it?

If the D’s bash Palin’s experience, their argument hits Obama. If the R’s bash Obama’s, their argument hits Palin.

The R’s can argue that experience matters less for a VP candidate, but McCain’s age kind of undermines that.

McCain must have thought Palin brought enough to the table to overcome the loss of his experience argument. Either that, or he thought the experience argument wasn’t going to work for much going forward.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We agree :)

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay!

I knew it would happen sometime.

I think Nicholas is cute, too, though he’s not my type exactly.

That’s two in a row.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pigs are flying

LOL

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ithaca makes a 10 gauge magnum shotgun

just right for taking winged pork.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont like guns. No thanks :)

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We disagree again :)

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

although just because I dont like them I still think people have the right to bear arms , responsibly.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think people can bare arms

responsibly.

Does that count as a third agreement?

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 4, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cognitive dissonance demonstrated by Obama supporters

on the experience issue is too funny to be believed.

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yet its rendered obsolete as jscot says because he chooses someone that

embodies the crux of mccain’s argument against Obama to be his VP.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. So why do Obama supporters

keep bringing up Palin’s lack of experience to be VP as that argument doesn’t apply to Obama to be the prez?

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not. Simply stating that if

McCain supporters continue to hit him on his lack of experience than her lack of experience is game as well. Neither can an Obama supporter accuse John the “maverick” of being a washington insider when Obama has selected a Senate member of 32 years.

So what we are left with is a real debate about real issues and thats a great thing.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can agree on that at least.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

:p

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Obama's experience is vastly superior to Palin's

But the main point being: he has a lot of ideas that he has been pushing in the Senate since he got there. From Nuclear non-proliferation to government transparency.

Palin can’t even spew out the ideas she tried to memorize.

Obama = substance

Palin = empty vessel

All of the independent and non-affiliated voters seem to think the same thing too.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personal opinion:

Because Obama inspires me, makes me believe in the goodness of brain-power, makes me believe there is some way Harvard-educated people that have street-smarts can use their gifts for good, not ignorance.
Bush has a degree from Yale and yet it seems he can no more speak than govern. His disastrous presidency will take decades to undo. and yet Americans love him. LOVE him.
The elitest controversy against Obama made it seem as if intelligence were a bad thing. Palin, on the other hand, seems to flaunt her lack of experience, her lack of knowledge, her hockey-mom credentials as if it were a Ivy League degree.
She inspires me to tune out, turn off.

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be the one to break it to you...

… but the people who brought you Wall Street: The disaster are for the most part Ivy League graduates, as is much of Congress. The same Congress that has an approval rating one third that of the President.

I understand how Obama can inspire you. The guy makes me want to vote for him when I listen to him speak. But let’s not equate great oration with great ability to make executive decisions. It certainly helps one lead if you can convince folks and get them to agree with you just by making a great speech. Reagan had that ability.

Just as a lot of people are treating exposure as experience, they are also treating inspiration as executive ability. For all I know, Barack Obama will make an excellent executive. If fact I’m pretty sure he will. What I’m not so sure of is whether he will actually change anything, other than changing the Executive Branch policies from Republican to Democrat. I doubt there will be anything truly new. Just the other party’s turn to try their usual policy prescriptions.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCain does not have executive experience and therefor we dont know if McCain has any executive ability

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no

i have nothing against the Ivy League or intelligence or even smart people doing dumb things. I get that. It’s just that I love the idea/potential of them doing something right, using brains for good, not evil. And I have to say, I think Obama is on that track.
McCain, as much as I like his anti-pork barrel stance, is really not my voice in any other way.
Not on war
Not on the economy
Not on health/human services
Not on the environment
Not on social issues (AKA Human rights like Gay Marriage)
Not on lots of stuff …

But that’s just me.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I give you a digital high-five?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:) High 5

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HHHWAP!

right on.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Change

Change is generally slow except in times of crisis. McCain wouldn’t be able to change anymore than Obama could. It’s freaking frustrated when it’s needed, but the effort and foundation can be set in place to get that heavy ball rolling.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

go look at their work history

there is no comparison.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to tell

isn’t it?

check out up above where I compared Palin to Obama. The claim that Obama has no experience drives me nuts.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

the experience debate does not hit Obama. go look at his record vs Palin.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to having expereince to be President...

… I’d argue that there are perhaps only two jobs, VP and Governor of California, that might possibly count as providing experience for the job.

It’s interesting to note the number of Presidents since FDR who wasn’t either a VP or a Governor. The exceptions are Eisenhower and Kennedy. Eisenhower had his WWII experience to call on and JFK had his daddy’s money. (It didn’t hurt that he was young, charismatic, good looking and a great orator (and running against an opponent who was none of these).

In other words, if experience were that important, Sarah Palin has the three other guys beat, as she’s the only one with any sort of executive experience. Not much, granted. But more than the other three combined.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats absurd

She has barely any experience as Governor, she was the Gov of the least populated state in the union and she has ZERO foreign policy experience. So little that most experienced GOP operatives are extremely mad about trying to even defend it.

Obama has been running a hugely successful, well run campaign for literally as long as she has been Governor. Before that she was a shady small town mayor.

To say that she has more experience of any kind than the other three candidates is foolish and completely disconnected from reality in every meaningful way.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points.

1) It most certainly matters what the population size of a state is when judging executive experience. One needs to come from a state at least as populous as Arkansas. (I’ll have to check on Alaska having the smallest population. It can’t be much smaller than Wyoming.)

2) Foreign policy experience is crucial. That’s what it is so important to vote for Obama, because he has it. (Living in another country as a kid counts, doesn’t it?)

3) Running a campaign – I should have thought of that one as an excellent qualifier.

4) Lord forbide we get a “shady” small town mayor anywhere near the seat of power. Does plagerizism (sp?) count towards being shady?

While I may try to disconnect myself from reality on a regular basis, I doubt I’ll ever enjoy the freedom from it’s bondage that you enjoy.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So tell me this, how do McCain and George W. Bush differ?

What plans do McCain have that differ from what Bush has tried and proved to be wrong n the last 7.5 years? What does Palin have to offer our country?

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im going 2 lunch. I expect a full report when I get back

and please spare me the talking points. I want real answers..

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

energy

tax credits

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry thats Palin :P

hehe

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weak PointsOb

1. Yes, Bill Clinton was the Gov of Arkansas – for eight years. And yes, it is more populated than Alaska.

2. Foreign Policy experience is critical. Not only has Obama traveled abroad much more than Gov. Palin, he is also in the Senate Foreign Relations committee.

3. Obama is running a masterful campaign. Looking at how a candidate runs a campaign is a great indication of how they will run the country. Obama’s has been focused and disciplined. McCain has been erratic and all over the map from his stance on the economy to his VP pick.

4. Yes, God forbid we get a small town mayor in the White House with a history of ethical violations.
As far as “plagiarism” goes, I assume you are talking about a campaign speech Biden gave 20 years ago. One he used over and over and that ONE, SINGLE time forgot to give someone credit for a line he used. Not only is it ridiculous to bring up now, it was never a big deal even 20 years ago.

Got anything else I can blow out of the water?

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Number three

is a good point. I hadn’t even thought of that one.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama is not running his campaiign

I really have to laugh when people say that Obama has experience running a campaign. He does not run his campaign at all. No politician does.

by richarda97 on Oct 3, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A candidate runs a campaign like a president runs a country...

…………………… same exact principle: surround yourself with competent people and get the job done. EXCELLENT analogy.

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Campaign managers and staff

run campaigns.
He has no experience running anything.

by richarda97 on Oct 3, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't know Jarret Jack

You pick your staff and the philosophy you want to run it with. Obama has got the best people and has obviously been employing the most effective philosophy.

If you think a candidate has nothing to do with how their campaign is run, you have a lot to learn.

by BlazerD on Oct 4, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the President runs the United States of America with absolutely no aides or staff, right?
Campaign managers and staff
run campaigns.
He has no experience running anything.

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 4, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said that a candidate has nothing to do with how their campaign is run

It just does not count as experience of running something since he is not the one running the campaign. Did Bush get credit for running two successful runs at the Presidency. No. It was Karl Rove who did, because he ran it.
As President he is the leader with a supporting staff.

You have to quit believing all the liberal media talking points. Stop and think if it was McCain that had no experience and claimed that running his campaign was all the presidential experience he needed. The liberal media would be all over him and yelling BS.

by richarda97 on Oct 4, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear you

It’s very hard for a senator or representative to get into the white house. It has partially to do with star power, and part to do with the nature of legislation (long, slow, boring arguments rather than the big, bold directives governors get to make). I don’t think Palin honestly has much of anything going for her other than her ability to get people already voting for McCain excited, which is pretty important, I’ll grant you. But in the reality of the situation, I kinda see a disaster looming behind her.

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I know rational, educated, intelligent people...

… who see the same thing should Obama become President.

I think you both are wrong.

As a history major I think back to FDR’s last choice for a running mate. His dumped his sitting VP, Wallace (Henry, I think) and went with a little known Congressman from a small town. Had they had 24 hour cable & internet news coverage and hundreds of talking heads, Roosevelt would have been ridiculed and Truman trashed. The guy had zero foreign experience, yet was picked at a time the nation was engaged in a global war. That one turned out ok.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are voting for Obama too?
The guy had zero foreign experience, yet was picked at a time the nation was engaged in a global war. That one turned out ok.

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Executive experience is a misnomer

Being the governor of Alaska is like being the Prince of Saudia Arabia. Over 80% of the states’ revenue comes from oil. A single industry state with a population close to the size of Portland Metro.

I am qualified to be the coach of the Blazers due to my executive experience being the coach of a 7th grade basketball team.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 3, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been meaning to talk to you about that.

I don’t understand your substitution pattern, you seem to have a boy-crush on your backup point guard, and why do you insist on playing so many youngsters?!

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, full disclosure, my coaching career ended when my team ended the season 1-10

The one win was the result of a no-show by the opponent. I’ll defend myself by saying my team had no instinctual talent or fundamentals. The dummies for youth basketball book did not help me.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 3, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You still have more coaching experience than the current Bulls coach

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two years ago, the Bulls were the Blazers.

How quickly the mighty can fall. I hope we Blaze a different trail.

Free cheese for all!

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama has been the cheif executive of a billion dollar business

for almost 2 years now and he’s run it like clockwork, intelligently and without a misstep overcoming some incredible odds to even find himself in the position to run the business.

Compare how Obama has managed his campaign, who he’s hired, the skills of the people he’s surrounded himself with what McCains’s done.

I’m satisfied he’s got enough exective experience.

by raoulduke on Oct 3, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, you are clueless

I have in the past and am in the middle of running campaign for legislative candidates. If you think they have nothing to do with running a campaign you are either stupid or denial.

Most people in here aren’t.

by BlazerD on Oct 4, 2008 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, if you don't drink the kool aid, then you are stupid

We are talking about a Presidential campaign not a state candidate where they do have a lot to do with running the campaign.

I am not stupid, I just don’’t want a President that is on the far left or the far right. That is not being stupid, that is being smart.

by richarda97 on Oct 4, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know

I’m honestly curious.

what is so wrong about being elite? About being the best of the best? About KNOWING that you’re the best of the best?

Elitist has become this terrible dirty word, and yet I WANT someone who is Elite to take office.

As for Bush being bright… I believe he has his own intelligence, but his education is faulty and if you doubt that, take a look at the economy. He was very black and white, but the problem is that the world is filled with various hues of color and shading. Results speak, and Bushes results have spoken. I DO take issue with Bushes education which show cases his knowledge, how he speaks, and what he speaks about.

As I said, I feel elite isn’t bad, and I would only want the best of the best in office.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By elite they are referring to elitism

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Mr. Rat you seem to be referring to excelling or someone who is at the top of their game. Which is of course a good thing.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a problem with people who think they are...

… either smarter than me or better educated, trying to tell me how to live my life.

First off, if I’m to believe what people have told me since I was a little kid and from test results, I’m supposed to be in the top 10 percent from an intelligence standpoint. (And I’ve tried very hard over the years to disabuse people of that notion.) Secondly, I doubt there are many in Congress with a broader level of formal education than mine. So for those two reasons alone I’m ready to tell such people where to put it and offer a helping hand to see it goes as far in as possible.

And even if any of the above didn’t apply, I’d resent someone telling me they know what’s best for me. Those days ended when I reached 18 and moved out of my parents home.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear that.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a number of folks here

whose politics I don’t agree with, but whom I’d invite over for a beer while we watch the Blazers play.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inviting myself ...

Can I come?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right behind me :)

LOL

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not fair!

The image that brings out is far too naughty.

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by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hadn't thought of it that way ...

… but … ummmm… I will.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 4, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama's elitisism

Is what caused him to look down on the people of the Midwest and say they cling to their religion and guns.

by richarda97 on Oct 3, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't they?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 4, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But she's a maverick on a team of mavericks

Also, her experience as a small town mayor, oil and gas reg’lator and chief executive of a huge state. And energy, also, which is so important to America to get energy independence and people want government to get out of the way—also, John McCain knows how to win a war and I’m just proud to be a part of this team of mavericks and we’re gonna go to Washington and shake things up, ya betcha. Also, energy.

I can’t believe there are still people who think she’s qualified to be anywhere near nuclear launch codes. Awful. Embarassing.

by grimc on Oct 3, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could sing her stump speech after the debate, that's how often she came back to those phrases

You forgot her other major qualification: Mom. That always followed the “mayor, oil and gas regulator, business owner, …”
Regardless of political affiliation, that was not a great performance especially in the second half.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record...

… is there an issue more important to the long term economic health and security of this nation than energy?

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by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it can't be a catch phrase.

You have to be able to cover all your bases, not talk up one area alone, to somewhat mix a metaphor.
Also, as I’ve stated elsewhere, you have to be on the right side of an issue. National Security/Economics will always be linked and almost always have … but such a big issue has a lot of nuance, and can’t be used as a tag line.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I agree.

But when hasn’t a politician not boiled everything down to a tag line.

I used to think it was because they thought those of us who vote are imbiciles (and maybe they do). Now I think it’s just that average attention spans are short, there is so little time to make detailed points and a lot of people start to tune out when the details get talked about.

I no longer count on most of the news and media outlets to provide the information I should have to make an informed choice. But then it always has come down to being the responsibility of each voter to be informed. If we don’t want to take the time to really understand what is going on and why, then we deserve what we get.

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by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you on that one.

For me, my frustration with politics today isn’t the soundbite, it’s that ONLY the soundbite is important. I want healthy debate. The polarization of the political atmosphere is incredibly bad for our country. Each side is rarely right, rather it’s a blend of different ideas that true genius originates from.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politics in America

is like that game where two crowds of people try to push a very large ball to the other end of the field. It generally stays in the middle.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep. and no one really wins.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or loses?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thing is, there is always potential for us to lose.

We lose out on a healthier world.
We lose out on a lot lot of stuff through ignorance, silly “beliefs” and irrational murderous passions.
But, to quote Vonnegut: “So it goes.”

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol That has to be the least-eloquent

statement Vonnegut has ever written!

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

George W. Bush spent the last 8 years in the WH

Who won there?

It’s pretty obvious who lost.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't have to be that way

and that’s why it’s frustrating.

Ultimately we mostly want the same things.

We want safety
We want to be able to pay our bills
We want to be able to be more than our parents and have the opportunity to be amazing.
We want our country to be great.
We want to be healthy.

I mean, there are basic points we could ALL come together on. Instead we debate about how difficult it is to put lipstick on a pig while it’s rolling around in mud and repeat soundbites.

I was actually amused because I was betting with my gf “Who will break first and actually answer a question?”

I think it was McCain. It was a bad answer too… but I think he was irked by the whole “we’re not answering game” and so I respected that.

Obama cracked on something else… barely.

Makes the debate a rather huge waste of time if they won’t answer.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but what happens when they do answer?

They get roasted for it. Better to be vague and do your best to make people feel good about your candidate. Obama is a master at that, which is why he will probably win the election. Bush was good at it, especially compared to cold fishes like Kerry and Gore. Clinton was great at it and Dole was not. Reagan was. Kennedy was.

We Americans seem to like the way our candidates make us feel more than what they stand for. That’s disquieting.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGreed

I’ve actually pointed this out on political blogs. I really can’t fault the candidates. You do what you need to do to get into office and do good. That means avoiding questions.

I hate it, but I understand it. I wish we lived in a world where the soundbites didn’t rule.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The medium is the message.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These things end up so far down from the post

they are a response to that they lose meaning.

I was referring to Mild’s remark about the game of pushing a giant ball across the field. We had to do that during ROTC PT

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want her baking my cookies, not running my country

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the debate

The only way you can say that Palin ‘succeeded’ or ‘delivered’ in the debate is that she didn’t look completely retarded. Given that debates are highly coached, I prefer to contrast that with her performances against the hard-hitting journalist Katie Couric (that’s sarcasm, folks) where she looked like a caribou in the headlights.

And could someone give the entire Republican party a lesson on how to pronounce “nuclear”? There’s only one ‘U’ in it, people!!!!

by DonkeyShins on Oct 3, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that kiiiiiilllled me again and again last night.

Nu-Clear
Nu-Clear
Ore-e-gun
Ore-e-gun

By the way, Biden’s “Bosniaks” is correct.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except wasn't he talking about all Bosnians

not just those who are Muslim (Bosniaks)?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another non-issue. Who cares?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This election will be decided by Tina Fey...

……………………………. Heck, if she’s on that liberal media elite television show four more times, Joe Six-pack will no be votin’ for Palin and John McCain…

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

..................... The board ate my bracketed reference that "perky beauty queen smile continues"...

………………………… Did her 8 year old have an excused absence from school last night, by the way?

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Carter said nukuler

and so have others on both sides of the political aisle. Typical example of the kind of petty, irrelevant stuff Palin haters love to spout.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was just kinda funny.

I just think she is smarter than she lets on. Why does she act ditsy and “folksy”.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She is who you saw.

As jscot says, that aspect of her personality plays much better with most Americans than the partrician speech of many in the Beltway.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

where you going to answer my question in regards to the specifics as to how McCain is diff. than Bush?

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCain is Bush's Grandfather

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! I grew up inside the Beltway.

Well, just outside it (Wheaton). But I went to school in DC, which was way inside the Beltway.

Even sat in the Speaker of the House’s chair (when I participated in DC’s Boys State). How I ever got elected for that remains on of my life’s great mysteries.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foley wasn't in office at that poing ... right?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up in McMinnville and Bend

Never got elected to crap.
Never deserved it.

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

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by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was "selected" for Boys State

I never got elected for anything either. I was the unsuccessful candidate for Governor.

I think I blew it with my speech. In all the contests for the other positions everyone would make a speech as if they were running for a real office. When it came down to the last election – for Governor, which was the highest office in Boys State – I got up there and told the truth, i.e. that the reason I wanted them to vote for me was I wanted to be the guy that won. I wasn’t going to make a fake speech, just be honest and say that winning meant a lot personally to me and nothing more than that. I lost in a landslide.

I still felt pretty good about the fact that I was my party’s candidate for the top spot and even more so that my side took more positions than the other (the votes from each party were exactly even, so we had to work to get people to change sides). Still, one leason I took away from the experience is that it doesn’t pay to be honest in politics. Never tell the people what you think. Tell them what they want to hear.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good.

(but the truth rarely wins over the masses)

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

in your situation, your truth was something they decided was wrong for them.

What if McCain gave that answer? Or Obama? We want more :)

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That or....

You shouldn’t run for office solely to grasp for power. People are generally turned off by that.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politicians have played the "folksy" game for years

perhaps centuries.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and when they dont pretend to do that they are elitists...

got it.

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One of the best replies yet in this thread.

You could believe that all white males over 40 should be shot and I’d still enjoy your input.

You don’t believe in that, do you?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing is...

she’s right. This country doesn’t like people smarter than they are. Note the mocking of the nerds and only the recent semi-popularity thanks to Gates and his money.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mocking of nerds had more to do with their lack of EQ

than being threatened by their intelligence. If the “nerd” partook in typcial American pop culture and had good social skills then they wouldn’t be by definition, a nerd. Intelligence alone leaves the equation.

It seems the common American worker does not mind intelligence. They want to see intelligence that is backed with credibility. They want competence that equates to results. Not a haughty approach that says, “I’m smarter than you so you should follow me and not question my reasoning.” That is a turn off. They need to admire the person they choose to follow.

The rare individual is someone who inspires confidence through their intelligence and competence but who is also personable and humble. That is the type of person who most people want to follow.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are good.

Another rec.

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by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nerds rule.

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is

Mr Carter has a degree in nukular enginering but I agree that the pronunciation nonesense is petty

by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he doesn't.

I can’t remember which it was he started out claiming that he had a degree in Nuclear Physics or Nuclear Engineering. I think it was the first. Then the Society of Nuclear Physcists sent him a letter asking him to desist with the claim or show them his degree.

The Nuclear Engineering claim always got my dad going. Although his degree was in Chemical Engineering, as someone who designed reactor and instrucment control systems first for the Navy and then for commercial utility plants, he had far more experience and credibility to call himself a “nuclear” engineer (which he never did) than Carter ever did.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

He was an enginering officer on a nuclear powered Naval vessel.

by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly.

I couldn’t remember if he had served aboard ship (he had), but I was pretty sure he never served aboard a nuclear sub (he didn’t).

I did think he graduated from Nuclear Power School, but was surprised to find out he didn’t. Here’s his naval career from Wiki

Naval career
He attended Georgia Tech and Georgia Southwestern State University before receiving an appointment to the United States Naval Academy where he received a Bachelor of Science degree in physics in 1946 and is the only graduate of the Naval Academy to become President.6 Carter finished a high 59th out of his Academy class of 820. Carter served on surface ships and on diesel-electric submarines in the Atlantic and Pacific fleets. As a junior officer, he completed qualification for command of a diesel-electric submarine.

He applied for the U.S. Navy’s fledgling nuclear submarine program run by then Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover’s demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover had the greatest influence on him.

 
Jimmy Carter as a Midshipman at the US Naval AcademyCarter has said that he loved the Navy, and had planned to make it his career. His ultimate goal was to become Chief of Naval Operations. Carter felt the best route for promotion was with submarine duty since he felt that nuclear power would be increasingly used in submarines. After six years of military service, Carter trained for the position of engineer officer in submarine Seawolf, then under construction.7 During service on the diesel-electric submarine, USS Pomfret, Carter was almost washed overboard.8 Carter completed a non-credit introductory course in nuclear reactor power at Union College starting in March 1953. This followed Carter’s first-hand experience as part of a group of American and Canadian servicemen who took part in cleaning up after a nuclear meltdown at Canada’s Chalk River Laboratories reactor.910

Upon the death of his father, James Earl Carter, Sr., in July 1953, however, Lieutenant Carter immediately resigned his commission, and he was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953. 1112 This cut short his nuclear power training school, and he was never able to serve on a nuclear submarine, since the first boat of that fleet, the USS Nautilus, was launched on January 17, 1955, over a year after his discharge from the Navy.13

For the record, I was born in a house just off campus of Union College and my dad worked on the design of the Seawolf’s reactor controls. I don’t think he ever ran into Carter though, as he never mentioned it. Of course they could have been in the same place at the same time.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am sure your information is correct

Could you post Mcains service record as well.My information is that he was the only bomber pilot shot down by a surface to air missile in VietNam which could only happen if the pilot broke mission discipline.dont know if its true or not and would like to find out.

by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did crash 4 planes before he got shot down

He may have deviated from the mission intentionally, or he might just have not been paying attention.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And graduated 5th from the bottom

Of his class at the Naval academy,sounds like a bright guy

by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if he's bright or dumb, but he was a party boy...

…………………. but then again, there have been plenty of party boys in the white house before (JFK, Bushie).

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 3, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure where that info came from.

Here’s a link for aircraft combat losses in Vietnam (fixed wing).

The two biggest causes were ground fire and AA (which is radar controlled Anti-Aircraft Artillery, which I believe is 23mm and above).

The Navy recorded 15 aircraft lost to SAM’s. So anyone claiming McCain as being the only one is either repeating misinformation or straight out lying. (Please note I’m not implying either applies to you.)

This reference doesn’t show it, but I believe SAM losses happened early in the war, before the services learned how to spook them or avoid them. McCain was shot down fairly early in the conflict.

http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/usa/usnlossesvietnam.html

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont remember the air craft designations

Any more[its been along time] but he was a high altitude bomber pilot not a fighter pilot?

by southern oregon on Oct 3, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCain was an A-4 driver.

The Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, often referred to as Heiniman;s Hot Rd after it’s designer was a light attack aircraft and extremely well liked by it’s pilots. The saying was you didn’t climb into the cockpit, you just strapped on the airplane. It was fast, responsive and manueverable. It carried an impressive bomb load for it’s size (I want to say ~ 10,000 lbs, but I’d have to look it up), two 20mm cannon and could deliver anything from Zuni air-ground unguided rockets to nuclear bombs.

In addition to use by the Navy as a carrier – borne light attack jet, the US Marine Corp flew it as a close air support jet (but then everything the Marines fly is used as close air support ), Israel, Argentina, Australia and a couple other nations.

I don’t know what the altitude restrictions were over the North, but at a guess I’d say they pressed attacks below 5,000 ft (There was a 10,000 ft ceiling during Gulf I) . Flying A-4’s, I’m pretty sure McCain operated below 10,000 ft most of the time.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 6, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She had the lowest expectations in HISTORY

And slightly beat out those incredibly low expectations. She sure can memorize some material though.

I shudder to think of her negotiating for America. Maybe on our debate we won’t even expect her to try and answer a question, but it’s different in the real world.

If you can’t see that she is intellectually vacant (usually a bad trait for a world leader) than I don’t know what to tell you.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I can't see

it’s because, like I said, I didn’t see the debate. The time zone issue impacted that.

I was just surprised that even the WaPost and MSNBC gave her props, and then people here said she did horribly. But I guess I’m used to people here responding that way. There can be NOTHING positive about the opposition, there is NOTHING to respect about them or their beliefs, they are STUPID and EVIL, and etc.

Seems to me that WaPost doesn’t like her politics, either, but gave her credit for a good performance. Maybe they have to have credibility to be able to sell papers, and not let their opinion of her politics too badly skew their reporting of her performance.

Political views and performance are not the same thing. A person can have great views and perform horribly, or vice versa.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

she was great at hitting the talking points

but she didnt defend John McCain when Biden attacked his policies and linked him to George Bush 100 times. She was cute and bubbly but lacked real substance. She didnt really do anything that stood out to me, good or bad. Thats kinda the problem. WaPost and MSNBC gave her passing grades while they noted the Biden Excelled. Come on … she was expected to do terribly and she didnt. Good for her.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You saw what you wanted to see, Sophia.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are questioning my perception now?

when did she state , specifically how John McCain’s policies will differ from George Bush?

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She provided several examples of how McCain

has been a thorn in the side to Bush and the Repubs over the years. That doesn’t mean McCain has to disagree with Bush on everything, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

link? quote?

thats looking in the past , how are his policies and plans going to differ from Bush. She didnt offer any… can you point me to the link that shows what she said to substantiate that his plans are different than what Bush has done.

I honest to goodness want to know.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then look it up online yourself, please.

I cannot keep-up with responding to everyone in this thread as it is. The information is there if you want to find it. You’re the one who raised the question, not I.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are engaging in a debate about Palin

I know EXACTLY where to find it. I am challenging you to substantiate your claims.

You cannot. I win.

sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for you.

Golf clap.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

I <3 u.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You remind me of my youngest daughter

She’s fiery and emotional but has a good heart, too.

I try to remember that all of us want the same things, mostly. We all want America to be better than it is now. It’s just our methods that differ. It sure isn’t worth any of us getting nasty about folks who disagree with our view.

That being said, I’d still rather talk Blazers than politics.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to be condescending

As in: “you remind me of my youngest daughter.”

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's condescending about that?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Maybe comparing someone’s political views that you obviously disagree with to those of your “youngest daughter.” Maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but it could sure be construed that way.

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read it again

I was talking about Sophia in that sentence, not her political views.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing is

I always think that you remind me of my dad.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you and your dad are close!

;^)

That makes me very happy. Thank you.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live with him. We debate almost every day and they are extremely emotionally charged debates..

He recently converted to being a democrat but he still thinks lIke a republican! He just hates Bush so much.

But yeah my dad and I are really close . He’s been a really good grandfather as well and made some really big sacrafices for me and my son.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Republicans

Actually the things they stand for, I agree with.

1.) gun rights. Yup, i agree. just make sure people who use them are educated/trained, and qualified. Set up classes and definitely keep the waiting period.

2.) Fiscal responsibility… I’m all about that and we had it during the Clinton years.

3.) Personal responsibility. Democrats give away the fish and republicans tell people to go fish for themselves. My thoughts on it: if a man has no idea to go about fishing, it’s difficult and so you need to teach him to fish. If he then chooses not to fish, that’s his issue. If he picks himself ups and fish, then you’ve helped him help himself.

4.) Minimal government. But this doesn’t mean NO government. It should mean government that makes sense, that makes the world better, that holds people accountable, and that teaches it’s people how to be better people.

5.) Lower taxes. I’m behind that too, if it means that the budget is balanced and that the burden of taxes does not unduly effect those who can least afford it. Currently taxes favor the rich. I firmly believe in growing the economy from the bottom up, not letting the scraps trickle down from the top. Evidence has now repeatedly shown that trickle down doesn’t work. Trickle up HAS been shown to work.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure ...

… we all want this. The difference is how you do it. What road do you take to this land of goodness?

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rat, you and I have very similar

viewpoints.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

touche.

When I fenced in college, I usually did pretty good against the guys. It was the women I lost to.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

At least everyone here is a Blazers fan. That keeps these discussions somewhat civil…

by BlazerD on Oct 3, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That, plus Fear of Dave

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Actually, the conversation has been rather rational, and it’s nice.

Debate is healthy. The problem with the political climate today is that people don’t debate and don’t acknowledge when others have points.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Blazers!

"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Oct 3, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grow up.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was to BlazerD.

How’s that for condescending?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! hard to find people here!

He brings up a point though.

In conversation there are ways to imply things without actually saying them. Milled put Sophia in a position that was less than him. A daughter obeys her father and father knows best. BlazerD brought up a good point.

this type of journalism is ALL over magazines and news and I enjoy reading to identify such things.

Sometimes it’s unintentional, sometimes the color of a person’s opinion shows through, and sometimes there is a willful desire to manipulate.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could interpret it that way

but you’d be wrong to do so. Do you deny that Sophia is fiery and emotional at times but has a good heart? My daughter has those traits and I love her with all my heart. The only thing demeaning or belittling is you saying I said that to put her down.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it was meant that way

but words are funny and things like that can dwell in the subconscious without realizing it and without being able to identify why those emotions come up.

You put yourself into a position of authority over her.

It’s like Palin’s move to be able to use the “Joe” line. It’s little things, but a skillful manipulator can use them well.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't consider my kids

 or anyone’s kids for that matter, as beening in a position less than me. There are few, if any, things I place above me. If someone tells me they see me as a son, I consider that a complement.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also depends on the context

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to reply

that if rat thinks I put myself in a position of authority over my daughter, he doesn’t know my daughter very well! She’s a handful. She punches me and talks mean to me when she’s in a good mood. But I love those bruises.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

However its only condescending if I chose to interpret it that way

in my naive mind I chose to believe he was trying to de-emotionalize the debate as it was getting a bit heated.

If I decide it is not condescension, does it have the same effect upon me? No.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i believe you're right

I’m simply pointing out the power of words :)

there’s a reason why the pen is mightier than the sword.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you believe that...

… lets fence.

You can bring as many pens as you like.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The power of rhetoric has the power to sway the masses

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For good or bad

this is definitely true.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're on

however, i should warn you… i actually can fence too.

A sword can control someone for a day. A pen can provide vision and thought that changes not just todays situation, but the situation for lives far into the future. We live in a country where we can have this debate because the seeds were planted YEARS before the revolution until the government lost the will of the people and they put the sword to use.

The british swords faltered against the pen of the new world. and the pen of others who’d added to it from hundreds of years before that influenced the pens of America.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely. I believe it was the Greeks

that adopted the notion that rhetoric aka the “pen” had more power than the powerful Roman empire had with their mighty armies. It is the words that remain.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The greeks

did indeed provide the foundation that our forefathers built upon.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greece was conquered ;-)

By the Romans, the Ottoman empire,… Just saying.

But yeah, a lot of their ideas survived.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats exactly the point

the Greeks were defeated by just about EVERY mighty empire. Oddly enough none of those empires are as influential in the modern times as the teaching of the Greeks.

Which indicates that the pen has more power of the sword.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

what i was saying, but i think you said it better :)

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

the pen outlasted and survived the swords of Rome.

That’s what the phrase means. You can’t repress ideas once they’ve been put to paper to endure and last for others to see.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The British swords

Didn’t falter against the pen of the New World. The problem was those muskets and the bullets that came out of them. You just can’t parry those things with a sword.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

look

if the british army didn’t get the memo that standing in formation while people shoot at you from trees is a bad idea…

well… they shouldn’t have shot the messenger.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

that they did shoot the messenger, or enough of the people that they were supposed to shoot.

My big regret is that Scotland sent troops, instead of seizing the opportunity and breaking away while the English were cutting their own throats in America.

Ooops. I like the English. Really. The above sentiments were inserted by an interloper.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always thought breaking away was stupid

Especially when you are sitting on the same island. South and North Korea. Haiti and the Dom. Rep. East and West Timor. All not exactly models of success. Dumb strategic move…

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 3, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point

don’t break away, change the government.

United you stand, divided you fall.

Of course, I’m sure it’s MUCH more emotional over there and we’d probably be punched for saying something like that.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps you should united stand

with Canada and Mexico. All one big country. Why not?

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 4, 2008 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Korea is an island?

The problem isn’t really the breaking away. The problem was joining in the first place.

We’re a different country. We’re still a different country. The thing that united us was we had the same king, that’s it. Our king inherited their crown. United Kingdom, get it?

Well, when Charles is about to be the king, any reason for unity on the basis of the crown is about extinct. Past extinct.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 4, 2008 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apart from being a visual downgrade...

That would make it more appealing to skip that generation: What difference does it make who wears the crown? The position is largely ceremonial now, but still having a king/queen or emperor kinda looks cool.

And I can’t remember a country that gained more political and economic power by splitting up.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know. 4 days to go. . .

then we can talk about Bayless v. Sergio all the time as im sure they will both be playing a whole lot in pre season games now that Blake is hurt (sorta) .

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to defending Nate

when the team loses two games in a row and some BEdgers are calling for his head.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know right?

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you going to the fanfest?

i was going to take my son but i think he’ll lose interest…

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in the Bay Area

Probably just as well. If I lived in Portland I’d be spending all my money on the Blazers.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 3, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 3, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be calling for his head

when we go on a 13 game winning streak again!!!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Oct 3, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We go on another 13 game winning streak...

… I’ll be calling for head.

Just not from Nate.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 3, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs