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Here's a haphazard trade proposal.

FROM DENVER

C/PF Steven Hunter ($3,862,600)

PG Chucky Atkins ($3,240,000)

FROM INDIANA

C Rasho Nesterovic ($8,400,000)

PG Jamaal Tinsley ($6,750,000)

FROM PORTLAND

C/PF Raef LaFrentz ($12,722,500)

PF Joel Freeland (Draft Rights)

PG Petteri Koponen (Draft Rights)

TO DENVER

PG Jamaal Tinsley ($6,750,000)

PF Joel Freeland (Draft Rights)

PG Petteri Koponen (Draft Rights)

TO INDIANA

C/PF Raef LaFrentz ($12,722,500)

C/PF Steven Hunter ($3,862,600)

TO PORTLAND

C Rasho Nesterovic ($8,400,000)

PG Chucky Atkins ($3,240,000)

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4791693

Prior to the trade, the Portland Trail Blazers would waive Shavlik Randolph to create roster space.

For the Denver Nuggets, George Karl would finally have a starting caliber point guard in Jamaal Tinsley. While Tinsley is no great shakes by any stretch of the imagination, he's nevertheless an upgrade over journyman Anthony Carter. Yet, despite Tinsley's superb handles and skills as a distributor, he's a terribly inefficient shooter -- especially from beyond the arc -- and flat-out sucks on defense. Tinsley has a heavily overpriced contract, too, but that doesn't negate the possible benefits that he'd bring to the Nuggets. The Nuggets would also obtain the draft rights to two foreigners with so-so potential, Joel Freeland and Petteri Koponen, which'd be an added bonus.

For the Indiana Pacers, Hoosier State veteran Jeff Foster and enormous rookie Roy Hibbert are entrenched at center; thus, there's no future for Rasho Nesterovic in that organization. In addition, Nesterovic's expiring contract is of major trade value; therefore, the plan of packaging him and the seemingly cancerous Tinsley for someone with a larger expiring contract (e.g., Raef LaFrentz) and a decent replacement as the third-string center (e.g., Steven Hunter) isn't a bad proposition.

For the Portland Trail Blazers, a third-string center is a much-needed addition -- especially in light of Greg Oden's apparent propensity to hurt himself -- that Kevin Pritchard foolishly hasn't dealt with for damn near two years. Last season, it was an absolute joke to watch Channing Frye play out of position at the pivot. This time around, however, I expect that this so-called genius (i.e., Pritchard) will quickly fix this glaring problem. As a result, I advocate shipping off LaFrentz's expiring contract for Nesterovic's expiring contract -- even though it's the smaller of the two and, moreover, would be acquired at the cost of a couple minor assets -- otherwise, the Blazers will once again be stuck playing natural power forwards out of position at center.

Despite having a lofty resume, Pritchard has yet to understand the importance of a balanced roster. Alas, let's hope that he's learned his lesson on this occasion.

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Raef’s expiring contract is too valuable. We need to let it expire and save the caproom. Your trade would clearly help us now, but its not worth it.

Also, our first unit played better last year when Channing played C than Joel. Check the +/- numbers at 82games.com for proof.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Oct 29, 2008 12:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Radoslav Nesterovic has an expiring contract, too, althought it's smaller than Raef LaFrentz's deal.

Also, Chucky Atkins contract is just partially guaranteed for a salary of only $760,000 next season; thus, it’s not a financial risk. With regards to Joel Przybilla v. Channing Frye at center, the on-court/off-court +/- production was just a slight difference. I, therefore, am more inclined to support playing a low-post player at the pivot instead of a high-post player.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

not a slight difference

with Joel we were 1 point worse with him on the court than off the court.
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR14D.HTM

with Frye we were 3.3 points better with him on than off:
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR11D.HTM

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Oct 29, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

First and foremost, that doesn't account for position.

Yet, no matter that oversight, Channing Frye allowed 108.4 points per 100 possessions when he was on the court; conversely, Joel Przybilla allowed 106.7 points per 100 possessions when he was on the court.

Hmm …

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

right

Joel is vastly better defensively.

Channing is even more vastly better offensively.

Look at our top 5-man units from last year— where Channing shows up, he shows up as the Center.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Oct 29, 2008 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree that Channing Frye ...

brings more to the table on offense than Joel Przybilla.

It’s just that, uh, I’m weary of players with superfluous skill sets playing alongside each other—especially down on the frontline. While I’m sure that Channing Frye and LaMarcus Aldridge can once again adapt to the situation, it’s not a scenario that’s desired by anyone.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

You silly Channing homer!!!

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Oct 29, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we want a true center, e.g. David Harrison is available (as is Steven Hill)

He was in training camp/pre-season with the Wolves, but they waived him along with some other unguaranteed guys.

It seems like we can get more out of Raef at the deadline than in this trade, though I like that Rasho is also a pretty big expiring contract.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 29, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

David Harrison is a lazy, defensively inept pivotman.

Also, Steven Hill sadly isn’t an NBA caliber player; he’s this year’s version of Lukasz Obrzut.

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/lukasz_obrzut.pdf
http://www.basketball-reference.com/nbdl/players/o/obrzulu01d.html

Until Hill developes a competent game on offense, he’ll never see any action in an NBA game.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

What an idioitc use

of real assets. RLEC is one of the most sought after in the NBA this year. Petteri still has some trade value as well. You want us to give all that up for a 3rd string C. I’m glad you’re not running this team. Chucky Atkins would do absolutely nothing except slow the development of Jerryd Bayless. Rasho Nesterovic gives us nothing we couldn’t very easily acquire in any number of C’s that aren’t currently signed (Fazekas). I realize both of the player you’ve mentioned also have expiring contracts, but they’re not as valuable (1 million less). We have more than our fair share of depth, and giving Frye the extra 12 minutes at center for the mean time will allow him more time to evolve on the court. Despite the game today, Frye proved last year that he’s deserving of those extra minutes. If you took a look at the numbers you’d notice that Frye was actually more effective on the court last year as a center than he was as a power forward.

by as11osu on Oct 29, 2008 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Rasho Nesterovic ...

is a damn fine man-to-man interior defender.

Nick Fazekas, however, is a slow-footed, plodding power forward; they’re entirely different players.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your definition of negligible

is negligible.

The difference between Channing Frye playing power forward and center was negligible last season.

Channing Frye was ridiculously better 2 seasons ago at center than he was at power forward, and last year the same thing was apparent (1.8 PER) at C and (-.2 PER) at PF. He was +34 in 28% of the minutes at center (1.1), and (+.5) at PF.

by as11osu on Oct 29, 2008 12:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Y'know, unfortunately, it's a debate that might be settled this season due to Greg Oden's injry.

As of this moment, however, I estimate that it’s a fifty-fifty argument that could easily swing either way.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

When we're playing with our

running 2nd unit, having a guy like Frye that can hit the 3 ball is a huge plus. Not clogging the lanes allows a lot more open space to work with inside. I’d add that it’d be an even more efficient set up if we also place Outlaw on that 2nd unit as the teams PF. He’s less of a glaring liability playing the 4, and he is much better suited to make the opposing 4 pay on the offensive end (he can take bigger guys a lot easier). Throw in Sergio, Rudy, and Batum to help defend, and I like that as a solid fast paced backup squad. For me its a toss up as to whether I’d rather have Bayless or Rudy start, but in the end, I like Rudy coming off the bench more, even if its only 4 or 5 minutes into the game.

by as11osu on Oct 29, 2008 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's going to defend the interior?

Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw would be dominated by, oh, Chris Mihm and Lamar Odom.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

what you’ve seen from Frye that makes you think he’s so bad defensively, but he actually gave up fewer points than any of our other bigs at the C spot last year. Outlaw negates what he gives up playing the 4, by equaling that on the other end. Plus it makes for a highly efficient offense. That team on the run would be hard to slow down.

by as11osu on Oct 29, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think that Channing Frye is average on defense.

Joel Przybilla and Rasho Nesterovic, however, are defensive stalwarts in the paint.

Now, the upgrade on defense might not negate the downgrade on offense; that’s a strong possibility. As a traditionalist, though, I’d like to see the Portland Trail Blazers employ three true centers — especially in light of everything surrounding Greg Oden’s injury concerns — on its roster. That’d beat looking at Shavlik Randolph sitting on the bench in street clothes.

Nonetheless, I get the heebie-jeebies thinking about a frontline of Frye and Travis Outlaw.

by AK1984 on Oct 29, 2008 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's not a very strong defender.

      He is good on offense at center because
he can spread the floor and draw the opposing
center out. My buddy is a HUGE Cats fan
(grew up in Tucson), so I’ve seen a lot of Buffet.
He’s a marshmellow on defense. You watched
the game tonight, I’m assuming, and know that
neither Frye or Outlaw are strong rebounders.
Long rebounders, but not strong rebounders.
We have three strong rebounders; GO, Pryz &
Ike. That’s it.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 29, 2008 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only creates more congestion..

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by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

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