Four Apophthegms on Being a Homer
I am an unabashed, unashamed total and complete homer for my Portland Trailblazers. I can admit it. But there is a lot of misinformation out there on what being a homer entails. Often times it can be confused with complete idiocy, which I am here to tell you is a gross misrepresentation of the homer position. What follows are some simple axioms with which the casual observer can tell the difference. Notice that these are axioms and not rules. What’s the difference? Actually, when I looked these words up in the thesaurus, there didn’t seem to be much of a difference. Perhaps they are closer to apophthegms. I like that word. Apophthegm. Anyways, what I was trying to say is that these are generalities which I find true of myself, and that not every homer is identical.
πρώτο απόφθεγμα:
I love every player on the team. There are a lot of reasons to love players, but as a homer, the simple fact that they are on my team is reason enough for me. They don’t have to be the best people or the best players. I will still love them. They are part of the family. I may not always like my kid brother, but I still love him, as a brother should. Even during those teenage years, when the Portland Teams were angsty, melancholy and aloof, even when they pushed me away to the point where I stopped watching the games, I still never wanted anything bad to happen to any of them, and always cheered them on when they moved elsewhere – even Bonzi Wells and Ruben Patterson.
δεύτερο απόφθεγμα:
Because of the First Apophthegm, I always look at the positives which any particular player brings to the floor. Each player brings something important to the game, otherwise they wouldn’t be in the NBA. Any particular night, any particular player could be the one person who wins the game for the team. I prefer to take an optimistic approach to our players. Of course each player has their weaknesses. Of course they can be particularly frustrating when exploited by the opposing team. I’m not blind to them. I acknowledge that Outlaw never saw a shot he didn’t like. I acknowledge that Przybilla couldn’t catch a beach ball. But every player has a deficiency somewhere. Dwelling on them doesn’t make me enjoy the game any more.
τρίτο απόφθεγμα:
Because of the First Apophthegm, I never want to see any player traded. Now this is not the same as saying that I wish that Portland never made any trades. Because of trades, we have been able to do some wonderful things. I have no problem at all with a trade happening. However, I am always sad to see a player leave our team and play for someone else. This is why all the posts that call for us to trade whoever is in the fans doghouse that week drive me nuts. On top of that, many of those posts only ask us to trade someone away, with little though about whom to get in return. Addition by subtraction hardly ever works. Just because it did once for us does not make it the new standard.
τέταρτο απόφθεγμα:
I believe we have a chance to win any game we play. No matter who is on the floor, the possibility always exists for something amazing to happen. Sure, I only saw one team ever come back from a ten point deficit in the last minute of a game to win it, and unfortunately is was Boston against us in the late 80’s or early 90’s, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t happen again. So is this an inconsistency? Refusing to use one negative instance to set the norm (see “addition by subtraction” above), but always placing hope for a positive one (namely, an impossible comeback)? Perhaps. But as a homer, I have my inconsistencies. But all serve to fuel unbridled optimism.
So if optimism is the key to being a homer, why have I consistently held the opinion that the Blazers will win 45 games this year? How is that optimistic? If I were to hold the opinion that the Blazers were going to win 60 games this year, and they didn’t, I would consider the season disappointing, because my expectations were not met. Instead, I asked myself at what point would I consider the Blazers to have a successful season? The answer was 45 wins. I would, of course, love more than that, and less than that would not reach their goal. So 45 it is. Inconsistent? See above.
And finally, because I think off the wall polls are fun, despite the opinions of some...
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Apophthe-gm?
I thought that was a cross between a Pharmacist and KP
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by 92wastheyear on Oct 24, 2008 9:42 PM PDT 1 recs
If God doesn't exist everyone is doomed
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 2:28 AM PDT
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cummon now, there's gotta be some middle ground here. :)
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by faith on
Oct 25, 2008 3:27 AM PDT
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You know anybody
who isn’t going to die unless there’s a God out there who is going to do something about it someday?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 4:34 AM PDT
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ELECTRICITY!!!! IT'S ALL ABOUT ENERGY!!
bright lights and tunnels are reproted when people die.
I’ve heard/read some theorys on why that happens…. but after reading about quarks and strange and god know’s what else, I came to the conclusion that it’s all about electricity and energy. when we die our positive charges get drug to the massivest gravitiational force that is closest to them….and I think that’d be the sun. once it get’s there, our energy get’s chewed up and recycled back out amongst everything, starting a cycle over again…..
God?….lol…is the collection of good will towards men. All people have a consience. and as long as there are more good people on this planet than bad, god remains…but if that balance tips i the bad guy’s favor….then we’re all doomed. so…..stay good and be a good leader Jscot….
I don’t want to be doomed. :)
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by faith on
Oct 25, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
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If Jscott ever becomes world ruler
Than we are truly doomed
by southern oregon on
Oct 25, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
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Try this on for size
If we are truly doomed, then jscot will become world ruler.
Does that sound better?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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your faith is in electricity?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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gravity I think?
But I’m not sure?
The great thing about “the faith” is that I don’t need much to base it on. I feel good about it so it’s alright!
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by faith on
Oct 25, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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Oh
You are in trouble, if it’s gravity. Because the massivest gravitational force that is nearest to us when we kick off is earth, not the sun. And I don’t think the earth is all that great at chewing up and recycling energy. It just turns it into entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics for the physics-inclined among us), which is better than turning it into entopy, as discussed elsewhere on the Bedge recently.
You’re doomed. You better hope I become world ruler quickly.
Why is this thread not a junk drawer, anyway?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
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energy doesn't become entropy
entropy describes a trait of energy; its ability to do work, or lack of ability I should say.
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
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Yeah, yeah
Look, we’re discussing important stuff here like whether his faith for life after death is faith in electricity or gravity. These kinds of details are off-topic.
And besides, it’s been a while since I took physics, and about all I really remember is that Heisenberg was uncertain about something or other. Maybe he was an agnostic, I don’t know.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
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tsk tsk jscot
the 2nd law of thermodynamics is not to be trifled with!
“if your theory is found
to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope;
there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humilation”
- Arthur S. Eddington
Oh and Heisenberg was a cat killer
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
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I thought Schrödinger was the cat killer?
BTW, I’m with him (Schrödinger)
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by G_dubs on
Oct 25, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
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shoot, you're right
I can’t believe I messed that one up.
Maybe Heisenberg killed kittens too.
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by Magnum on
Oct 26, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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Easy to do and kind of
Heisenburg inspired Schrodinger to kill kittens
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by G_dubs on
Oct 26, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
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Who's trifling?
The only thing that happened is the second law took over this thread, and entropy has gone wild.
Now I know why Heisenberg was so uncertain. You kill a cat, and you wonder if it was the first or seventh life, or something in between, and if it is coming back or not.
I’d feel uncertain, too, if I knew I had killed a bunch of cats but never knew if they were going to come back and come after me.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 26, 2008 12:02 AM PDT
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k...I'm starting to think I was misunderstood to begin with,
but that would make sense seems how I don’t often make any…
but anyway, when we die where does the bzzzz bzzzz’ts go that make us tick. there is a certain amount of electricitiy/energy there right? and then when we die it goes kaput. n if it goes kaput then where does it go? what kind of energy does it turn into, cuz I think I read something that say’s it doesn’t just disapear, so it has to go somewhere right? and I’m pretty sure that the sun is stronger than our imediate earthly gravity when it comes to something with as little mass as a photon or one of them silly diffrent kinds of energy…no? well… something like that, otherwise I’m just a numbskull who’s just trying to rationalize my punniey existance next to that of said “god” or the gasious anomanily out in space that has consience thought…as I like to think of him/her / if they/it exist(s)…. :)
or something like that.
The faith (and I'm a guy) perverts. :)
by faith on
Oct 25, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
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Dissipates, I suppose
If the effect of the sun’s gravity here on earth was stronger than the earth’s gravity, we’d all just float up into space and gloriously immolate ourselves in the sun. So I don’t think, from a gravitational perspective, your idea works too well.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 26, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
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k...
we’ll call the act of “dying” the “lift off” and “dying” gives the bzzzt bzzzt’s the momentum they need to begin with, to eject themselves from this planets gravitiational force….??
does that fix alot of what’s wrong with it?
gosh….this bites jscot, now I gotta go find some other rediculous “faith” to hammer away at my mothers faith in hey sus……
ruined this sunday ya know. :(
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by faith on
Oct 26, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
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There is no such thing as gravity...
the Earth just sucks!
You knew that was coming didn’t you?
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by LaMarvelous on
Oct 25, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
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No, I forgot
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 26, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
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Apophthegm
I’ll give 1000 points to whoever can find another word with “phth” in it, consecutively, with nothing in between those letters.
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by Magnum on Oct 24, 2008 9:50 PM PDT 0 recs
Also
can I get a translation of the Greek letters?
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by Magnum on
Oct 24, 2008 9:53 PM PDT
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Translation
First Apophthegm
Second Apophthegm
Third Apophthegm
Fourth Apophthegm
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:11 PM PDT
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phonetically speaking
I done runned over apophthegm on my way home from the sorgum mill
Mommy told me something a little kid should know. It's all about the devil and I've learned to hate him so. She said he causes trouble when you let him in the room. He will never ever leave you if your heart is filled with gloom. So let the sun shine in face it with a grin. Smilers never lose and frowners never win.
So le the sun shine in face it with a grin Open up your heart and let the sun shine in.
by bow4meow on
Oct 24, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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Naphthalene.
As in, ‘my mothballs contain naphthalene.’
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
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Ophthalmology.
As in, ‘my eye doctor has a degree in ophthalmology.’
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:20 PM PDT
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Diphthong.
As in, ‘when two vowels collide, and form a new vowel, grammarians call that a diphthong.’
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:22 PM PDT
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I probably owe Timbo about a buck-fifty now.
I wonder if he’d take 3000 points instead.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
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Diphthong was a good one
but where did you pull the other ones from?
+3000
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by Magnum on
Oct 24, 2008 10:32 PM PDT
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a few....
aphthous fever: See foot-and-mouth disease.
diphtheria, n. Pathol.: a febrile, infectious disease caused by the
bacillus Corynebacterium diphtheriae, and characterized by the
formation of a false membrane in the air passages, esp. the throat.
[1850-55; < NL < F diphthérie < Gk diphthér(a) skin, leather + -ia
-IA]
diphthong, n.: Phonet. an unsegmentable, gliding speech sound
varying
continuously in phonetic quality but held to be a single sound or
phoneme and identified by its apparent beginning and ending sound,
as the oi-sound of toy or boil.
exophthalmos, n. Pathol.: protrusion of the eyeball from the orbit,
caused by disease, esp. hyperthyroidism, or injury.
Jephthah, n.: a judge of Israel. Judges 11, 12.
monophthong, n. Phonet.: a vowel retaining the same quality
throughout
its duration. Cf. diphthong.
neuroophthalmology, n. the branch of ophthalmology that deals with
the optic nerve and other nervous system structures involved in
vision.
ophthalmology, n.: the branch of medical science dealing with the
anatomy, functions, and diseases of the eye.
phenolphthalein, n. Chem., Pharm.: a white, crystalline compound,
C20H14O4, used as an indicator in acid-base titration and as a
laxative.
phthiriasis, n.: crab lice infestation. [1590-1600; < Gk
phtheiriesis,
equiv. to phtheir louse + -iesis -IASIS] (So much more pleasant than
“having crabs.”)
triphthong, n.: Phonet. a monosyllabic speech-sound sequence
perceived
as being made up of three differing vowel qualities, as the
pronunciation of our, esp. in r-dropping dialects.
And like 48 or so in one, compact list.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on
Oct 26, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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+48000
for whoever made that list
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by Magnum on
Oct 26, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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so what's the answer anyway?
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by faith on
Oct 25, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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Phthal phthali phthalo phthalic phthalin phthaloc phthis phthise phthisic phthisis?
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Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on
Oct 24, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
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hmm,
Jephthah, Nephthys, blastophthoric, podophthalma, entomophthoraceae, ichthyophthiriasis, phytophthora
iphthime, 1000 points to whoever gets the other 420…
by contemnor on
Oct 25, 2008 12:59 AM PDT
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who knew there was a database with all of these words
did the three of you google “phth”?
However, diphthong is the only reasonable word yet listed. As in, you might have heard it outside a graduate level archeology or biology class.
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 1:40 AM PDT
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i just used this and grep
grep phth /usr/dict/words
what about aphthong and triphthong I didn’t post those because they have the same roots as diphthong.
by contemnor on
Oct 25, 2008 1:54 AM PDT
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Archaelogy or biology?
Nope. Opthalmology is not an uncommon word. Eye surgeon. Lots of people have heard of these guys.
Jephthah comes from reading the Bible.
I remember naphthalene from undergrad organic chemistry days, but it is a little obscure.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 2:27 AM PDT
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I know ‘naphtha’ from ronsonol lighter fluid, i use to power my zippo lighter.
it says ‘CONTAINS NAPTHA’ in all caps on the front and appears to be the root of napthalene.
by contemnor on
Oct 25, 2008 2:47 AM PDT
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What is the word reasonable
Doing in this thread?
by southern oregon on
Oct 25, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
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Phthisis!!
Gimmie my points! and they better be good ones. :)
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by faith on
Oct 27, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
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Can I change my vote to.....
because there is more than one religion?
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by Magnum on Oct 24, 2008 10:03 PM PDT 0 recs
You know T why must your Homerism be oblivious to the Sandwich's rape charge?
Or spitting in fans faces? Honestly.
Mommy told me something a little kid should know. It's all about the devil and I've learned to hate him so. She said he causes trouble when you let him in the room. He will never ever leave you if your heart is filled with gloom. So let the sun shine in face it with a grin. Smilers never lose and frowners never win.
So le the sun shine in face it with a grin Open up your heart and let the sun shine in.
by bow4meow on Oct 24, 2008 10:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Not oblivious, but forgiving.
I give a lot of credit to guys who put on the Scarlet and Black, whether they deserve it or not.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23
by T Darkstar on
Oct 24, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
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I'm with bow4meow on that
There comes a time when you can’t support a guy. If nothing else, rape crosses that line.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 2:29 AM PDT
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Forgiving? Cmon T ...
you forgive turnovers, missed shots and fouls, even alot of technical fouls, but you dont forgive criminal or borderline off-court conduct, that’s what l*ker fans are for.
The R&B foundation was built on character, from its very first pick. I admit its not these guys fault entirely that Bob W put them in our jerseys, but they are what they are and if you dont believe me ask the fans who got spat on or the babysitter. No excuse OR representation for that. Think how bad I felt, I named my cat just prior to Bonzi’s sheer unprofessionalism.
You know what matters tho T, I forgive you buddy.
Mommy told me something a little kid should know. It's all about the devil and I've learned to hate him so. She said he causes trouble when you let him in the room. He will never ever leave you if your heart is filled with gloom. So let the sun shine in face it with a grin. Smilers never lose and frowners never win.
So le the sun shine in face it with a grin Open up your heart and let the sun shine in.
by bow4meow on
Oct 25, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
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If theologians don´t agree ask to the mystics. You´ll have also different answers but they will be poetic. You save something at least.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Oct 24, 2008 10:48 PM PDT 0 recs
I usually try to avoid religous discussions.
Religion and politics= inflammatory topics. Though, in sports blogs such as this, you’ll mostly just get a bunch of “Huh’s?” I mean really, the Crux Theologorum? What does that have to do with the Blazers?
Don’t worry, Darkstar, I’m not offended. I’m an agnostic. As a mere human I cannot claim to know with absolute certainty what happens to the spirit/soul when released from this mortal shell. I was raised in a Christian family, and I’ve always been intrigued with the idea of God and Afterlife, etc.
Who knows? Maybe synergism is real. Maybe Heaven is real, which would mean Hell is too. Maybe the absolute end of self is the reality. Whatever the answer, I am content to wait and see. Maybe the end of Being is the best that we all can hope for and nothing to be afraid of. After all, if all awareness is gone, what is there to worry about?
I’m not discounting the possibility of an omniscient God who posesses some grand plan for all of us – or some of us, as the case may be – but I prefer to believe I’ll just end. I don’t think I could handle eternal life. I like my sleep too much.
Speaking of, I’m going to bed now. Goodnight.
There would be no sleep if life weren’t tiresome.
"...and that loud noise you hear coming is the Portland Trailblazers." - Charles Barkley
by RebelRogue on Oct 25, 2008 12:36 AM PDT 0 recs
This could end up even better than the evolution vs. creation smackdown!
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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EVOLUTION IS A FAIRY TALE
oh…wait….wrong thread
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on
Oct 26, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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So...
did you vote “God only knows”? :)
I loved this — “I don’t think I could handle eternal life. I like my sleep too much.” Followed by, “There would be no sleep if life weren’t tiresome,” that’s pretty classic. Clever juxtaposition.
I’ve never known anyone to suggest that eternal life in Heaven was going to be tiresome, or even to say that there would never be sleep in Heaven. You probably know that, too.
Funny stuff, even if I don’t agree with you at all.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 2:40 AM PDT
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I can understand your disagreement.
I’ve never known anyone to suggest that eternal life in Heaven was going to be tiresome, or even to say that there would never be sleep in Heaven. You probably know that, too.
Well, I agree with you in part. True, I’ve never known anyone to suggest that eternal life in Heaven would be tiresome. But at the same time, I’ve never known anyone with any sort of proof that it wouldn’t be – or even that it exists in the first place. I realize it’s a “faith” thing, the mustard seed and all that, but I’m not willing or able to blindfold myself and step off the ledge of reason.
Now, by that same level of reasoning, I will never say that anyone’s choice of belief is wrong, unless it’s so blatantly wrong as to leave me no choice. Personally, I believe that anything is possible, and that reality may just boil down to what we each believe we perceive to be real. So it may just be that if you can manage enough faith/belief in God and Heaven, it may happen for you. Who knows? Anyway, the point is, believe what you want. The only way any of us will know who’s right will be in the End. And just maybe nobody is wrong. What if Christians go to the Heaven ther belief created, while Reincarnationists continually recycle/reuse their souls, etc?
So unless God comes and makes me RebelRogue Almighty for a day, I’ll just continue to go with the flow content with the fact that I don’t know what the Answer is. Death is apparently inevitable and thus, for me, nothing to fear. What happens after will happen as it’s meant to. I’m okay with that.
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by RebelRogue on
Oct 25, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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Ultimately, it does come down to faith. I don’t characterize faith as stepping off the ledge of reason, though. Faith is indeed a reasonable choice to make.
It’s kind of like predicting wins for the season. No one really knows for sure. But people make predictions based on evidence that they see. Some evidence may appear to point towards one conclusion, other evidence towards another. You filter all the evidence that you remember to apply to the question, and make your prediction.
There’s plenty of evidence that at least appears to point towards the idea that there is a God. The almost universal belief that there’s something beyond this life, and in some kind of deity. The universal or near universal belief in the concepts of right and wrong, and the fact that there is a tremendous amount of agreement between conceptions of right and wrong (murder, stealing, etc., are almost uniformly condemned). I could go on, but there are plenty of reasons for choosing faith.
But ultimately, the evidence for choosing faith can be explained away by those who don’t choose faith, and the evidence for rejecting faith can be explained away by those who choose faith. It comes down to a choice, faith or not.
But I wouldn’t say either choice is stepping off the ledge of reason.
Agnosticism is more intellectually honest than atheism, because the atheist is asserting something he couldn’t possibly really know, while the agnostic just says he doesn’t know. But ultimately you end up in the same place, rejecting faith in God. If He is out there, your rejection is going to be a problem, whether because you chose to be atheistic or agnostic. If He isn’t out there, there isn’t any substantive difference between atheism or agnosticism, either. In that case, the only real difference is that when the atheist is dead, he could say (if he were still alive), “See, I was right!” while the agnostic could only say, “Well, I thought that might be the case.”
So intellectually, you’re on a sounder footing than an atheist, but practically, I’m not sure I see a lot of difference, when all is said and done.
So anyway, did you answer “God only knows” or “None of the above”? I don’t see how an agnostic could answer “none of the above”, since you don’t know the answer….
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by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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I like the point you made on choosing faith vs. not
people have good reasons to believe or not, to think otherwise is downright ignorant.
I do have one small detail to correct.
I won’t try to speak for all atheists, however, I think that many atheists, myself included, aren’t declaring a universal negative (there is no God or anything resembling God anywhere), but rather we do not believe in any God(s) that are worshiped by humanity. We, simply, lack a belief in God. It may seem like a small difference, but it is a very important one. I’m sure there are ‘strong’ atheists who flatly state the universal negative God(s) doesn’t exist, but there aren’t many, to my knowledge.
So, the way I am putting it, an atheist would say, I don’t believe in God and here are my reasons, while an agnostic would say I have no good evidence for or against God’s existence.
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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Fair enough
That’s a good and fair distinction I should have made. There are both kinds of atheists.
It all comes out to the same place, though. Either there is a God and you haven’t come to terms with Him, or there isn’t and we’re all in the same boat. Either way, the distinctions between atheists and agnostics pretty much end up being irrelevant.
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by jscot on
Oct 25, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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There remains the possibility
that someone who was being as intellectually honest as possible and lived a good life would be forgiven for not believing. I suppose that goes against scripture. Oh well, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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by Magnum on
Oct 25, 2008 5:24 PM PDT
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Yeah
But that’s really a blind leap in the dark, isn’t it? Because you can only speculate as to A) whether being intellectually honest helps B) where the cutoff line for enough intellectual honesty lies C) where the cutoff for “lived a good life” is D) have you even lived as good a life as you think you have.
Since I keep going through life finding out things I’ve done that I really shouldn’t have, and on retrospect realizing that it is usually because of my over-inflated ego that I do these things and NOT just honest mistakes, I would be very nervous about D). If I had to tell someone who really knew, “I’ve lived a good life,” by the time he got done laughing about it, he could put together a huge list of things I know about that prove I’m wrong, and probably a few others I don’t know about.
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by jscot on
Oct 26, 2008 12:10 AM PDT
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I hear you, Magnum
I would like to think that if there is a God worthy of this loftiest of titles, and you’re standing before him in judgement in the afterlife, that he would take that into consideration – the way you lived your life. Punishments and rewards should always reflect the deeds. There are many who believe that this is substantiated by scripture by the simple fact the Bible says that we are created in God’s image.
That could imply that to believe in God, one has only to believe in oneself. Believe in yourself, and nothing else matters. Oh God, did I just qoute Metallica?
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by RebelRogue on
Oct 26, 2008 12:20 AM PDT
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