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Brief Impressions from the Sacramento Game

Here are some thoughts from tonight's game.  I'm not going to attempt being exhaustive because there really weren't that many major changes from what we've seen so far and leaning too much on the pre-season is a poor idea anyway.  But some things did stick out.  For instance...

--We saw a glimpse of the Blazer offense of the future, which consists of penetrating passes to big men followed by low post moves or return passes for open shots.  It's going to be just that simple.  Yes, the attack will be peppered with slashes from the wing and mid-range jumpers, but that inside-outside game will be our bread and butter.  This is going to lead to the major inside players getting a ton of foul shot opportunities, which is not a bad thing.

--We also saw a glimpse of one of the remaining weaknesses, which is wing perimeter defense.  Lamarcus Aldridge may still be our best perimeter defender at the moment.  That's a credit to him but a worry otherwise.  The Blazer wing players didn't look hopeless, but there were too many moments of inattention or slow reaction.

--Rebounds are hard to come by in a game where both teams shoot over 50% but it's good that we dominated the boards.  You'd be worried otherwise considering the level of competition in the frontcourt.

--The three-point shooting was excellent tonight.  I don't necessarily mind more three-pointers as long as they're good looks.  Tonight they were.

--We saw a little different form of defense tonight:  more pressure and attack.  We allowed a much higher percentage than is comfortable but we also forced more turnovers.  Then again Sacramento was shorthanded in the point guard department.

--I loved the overall unselfishness.  This is a trickier balance than people think.  On the one hand you don't want to force early, individual shots under most circumstances.  On the other hand you can't be passing up good shots.  The Blazers looked good tonight with their ball movement and decision making on offense.  I'd love to see a more professional break, but that will come in time.

As far as individual performances...

--Greg Oden played a nice 30 minutes.  He looks more agile and active than he did a couple weeks ago.  Yaaaay training camp!  He was hitting the jump hook far more consistently tonight which made him a powerful offensive threat.  By the looks of it I wouldn't count on it falling every night like that yet.  Don't underestimate the fouls he is drawing!  This will be a potent part of his arsenal.   I was impressed by his defense, considering that the Kings were doing everything they could to draw him outside at that end of the court.  I think the Blazers are going to make a lot of hay switching Oden and Aldridge around on defensive sets one of these days.  If the opponent wants to send their pivot outside, just have Lamarcus switch onto him and let Greg stay in.  In any case, Oden did a decent job getting in and out tonight.  His relatively few defensive rebounds can be partially accredited to this need to move.  He was more active than he has been on the boards.  You're going to look at his 5 turnovers and gasp, but he was trying to make the right play tonight, choosing between passing, spinning, and shooting.  That's hard to work out and he needs time.  Pay more attention to his three assists.

--Lamarcus Aldridge is amazing, especially when you can't defend him.

--Remember Brandon Roy?  He had a fairly quiet game tonight with 8-15 shooting, 3-4 from distance, 21 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists.  That's why I love this guy.  Quiet, noisy, it's effective.

There will be more interest in the up-and-comers so let's talk about them.

--Nicolas Batum's boxscore is a hodge-podge.  He had 8 rebounds but only shot 2-9 for 5 points and Kevin Martin scored many of his 34 points while being guarded by Nic.  What to make of it?  To my eye, he had a good showing.  He was active, the shots he took were mostly well set-up and well-timed (in fact I'd be mad if he didn't take them), and he showed why the coach has confidence in his defense by the way he negotiated his way around the floor on that end.  He did very well if you measure him against Nicolas Batum.  If you're looking for a guy who's going to be a weapon and shut down guys like Martin or John Salmons, that's not Nic right now and it's not going to be for a while.  For first steps these were good steps though.

--I liked Rudy's offensive outing and I think this is going to be typical of what you see out of him.  He's going to hit those deep shots our interior players create.  He's going to move himself and the ball around the court and not let the opponent off easy.  He's going to have one or two wicked plays that you remember.  And he's going to score somewhere between the low and high teens depending on how many minutes he gets.  I'm quite comfortable with him being out there.  His defense was exposed a little tonight.  A big part of that was the concentrated Sacramento attack but there are still little decisions Rudy can make better...NBA decisions particular to this league and style of play, playing the right percentages and moving accordingly.  This is another case of not expecting everything right away.  Give him a couple trips through the league and he'll be more polished defensively.  My guess is we won't have to worry about it after that.

--I really like Sergio's effort and body language.  I think he played appropriately on both ends of the court when he was in and he's giving great, controlled effort out there.  The best way to put it maybe is that he's developing but he's not playing developmental minutes out there.

--Didn't get much of a look at Bayless.  Still fighting an uphill battle it seems.  Give him the ball and let him score and he'll be fine, but that's not the Blazers' plan right now, any more than it was their plan to put the ball in Sergio's hands and let him control the offense the last couple of years.

Everybody else did about what you'd expect.  Joel rebounded, Travis scored, Blake ran the show.  Oh...Channing Frye was back and he didn't look too rusty.

We saw a little closer to a regular season distribution of minutes tonight.  Oden had 30, Lamarcus 36, Roy 35, Fernandez 33.  I imagine you're going to see the rotation tighten a little as at least one of the guys who got 12-18 minutes during this game lose time while another of them gains it, but it's too early to tell who those guys will be.  Some guys may not be getting full minutes in pre-season because they aren't ready for them or haven't earned them and some may not be getting them because they don't need them.  We'll have to see.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

P.S.  Ooops, almost forgot.  The folks in the Gameday Open Thread were pointing out that we apparently set a record for Gameday posts tonight.  The old record was 1400 and change?  There are well over 1600 comments as I type this.  I thought maybe we broke that 1400+ record at some point but I'm too tired to go back and check.  In any case, that's almost 1700 comments for a pre-season game.  I shudder to think what's going to happen when the games count...let alone for huge games like opening night and the L*kers.  Welcome to Blazersedge 2008-09, folks. 

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My thoughts on tonights game

Did Kevin Martin change his name to Dwyane Wade? Because it seems like the refs were all about putting him on the line whether or not he was fouled. Pitiful defense on him by several players, most disappointingly Rudy. This could be troubling. Blake was solid but unspectacular, Batum had his moments, but was also used up by Martin. Sergio looks like a different player with Rudy on the floor. Bayless won’t be happy if he only gets 5 minutes a game (S-Rod last year). Travis can’t spot up from anywhere. He’s a 1 skill guy, and he only scores at a 43% rate at that one thing. That isn’t good enough for this team. Joel is such a limited player on offense, it really hinders what we can do. Channing looked good on offense scoring that 3 ball is a great thing from a PF, but struggled staying with people on the defensive end. Oden looks like he needs to lose 15 lbs before we’ll know anything more about him. He simply never should have been that big to begin with. Steady changes… they let him put too much non-muscle weight on.

Its nice to win a game (even if it is just the Kings) comfortably when you play your C- game.

by as11osu on Oct 20, 2008 10:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Martin

reminded me of a cross of Kevin Johnson and Alex English (for you old-schoolers out there) A very tough load to handle. Rudy and Nic got their first look at him tonight. They will proccess the info and get better at shutting him and Salmon down when they see Sac down the road

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rudy

reminds me more and more of a young Kevin Martin. Look at highlight videos from Rudy’s last year in the ACB and the Olympics, and Martin from 2005-06. The similarities in physique, shot and playing style are uncanny.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 21, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can he take the bump

And throw in off-balance leaners from any angle? K-Mart was sick last night

I remember seeing Rudy hitting some off-balance fall aways from straight-away in the lane on youtube, but his degree-of-difficulty was nowhere near what KM made look so easy last night

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 3:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, aside from some shots where he gets bumped a lot he made the completely out of control “miracle shot”, e.g. at the very end of this highlight mix.

I also wouldn’t claim he is near Martin’s level right now, just that their game styles resemble each other and he could reach that level in a few years.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 21, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wooooohooo

GO BLAZERS

and heres hoping that channing frye gets more minutes

chicka chicka yeah

by burritoman on Oct 20, 2008 10:34 PM PDT   0 recs

My Oden related thoughts of the night

1. He “seems” to still be a little stiff, and clearly has a lot to learn
2. He’s drawing constant double teams and is still putting up solid (if normalwhelming) games

Think about those two for a second, then remember he’s a 20 year old rookie. This dude is gonna be GOOD!

by Gargen on Oct 20, 2008 10:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Yes

You have summed it up exactly. He was ALWAYS going to be raw on offense. He was ALWAYS going to have to learn about positioning, movement, and decision-making on defense in this league. He was also going to have to learn how much attention to detail being a good player entails, like boxing out consistently and moving your feet precisely. None of this is unforeseen! However even with all of that he is still a monster who bends the game every time he takes the court. Many teams would kill to have THIS Oden—this year’s Oden—manning the middle. That shows you what his potential effect is.

The only part of his game I’ve been vaguely disappointed with was how slow he was moving in that first pre-season game. But he seems to be shaping up and that too was expected as he recovered from the surgery.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 10:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We haven't seen Greg at his full athletic capacity.

After knee surgery, recovery isn’t immediate. He will continue to get quicker, faster, and regain his athleticism. Pritchard said in July that the real Oden would not emerge until the second half of the season. This raw Oden would still start for many teams…

It’s a great day to be a Blazer.

by Cablinasian on Oct 20, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No matter Greg Oden's athletic ceiling, ...

it’s nevertheless time to quell any comparisons between him and Hakeem Olajuwon.

Olajuwon, unlike Oden, was an astonishingly superior athelete and versatile player offensively who could easily play both positions on the frontline at a premium level. In my opinion, Oden’s career should ultimately fall somewhere in-between that of Patrick Ewing and David Robinson, with Robinson being his target at this point in time.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We just need to give Oden some time.

He already has the ability to pass out of the double team. If he can develop two bankable offensive moves (say a hook shot and a fadeaway) and returns to pre-microfracture quickness and athleticism, he can be truly great.

I don’t know why we have to compare him to other centers. He is his own player.

by Cablinasian on Oct 20, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In college, Greg Oden looked like the Georgetown version of Patrick Ewing.

Hell, so far this pre-season, Ewing still seems like the most apt comparison for Oden.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Does dunk on your head count as a move?

he’s got that nice spin move too

"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.

Dunk Parade.

Forever."

-Ben

"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""

"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"

-Dave

by Magnum on Oct 20, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I never thought Greg would move like Hakeem.

That guy was so fluid and had one of the best jumpers for a 7 foot+ center ever. Yeah, some combo of Ewing, Robinson, Shaq and Mutombo seems like a ceiling he could reach one day. He has a stronger lower body than Howard and a better FT shot, so he could still become the best (young) center in the league rather soon.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 20, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Greg Oden is a vastly superior defender to Dwight Howard, too.

Despite Howard’s tenacious crashing of the boards, he’s not exactly the world’s best defender. As a modern-day hybrid of Moses Malone and Darryl Dawkins, Howard has a few flaws — with one of those drawbacks being his so-so man-to-man interior defense — thus, Oden should be able to eventually surpass him with regards to overall production.

Yet, regarding Oden, I still say he’s a combination of Patrick Ewing and David Robinson.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll settle for Chamberlain

on offense, and Russell on defense

(maybe not the stats, that was a different era. But their games? Oh yeah…)

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd settle for Russell alone

His impact on the offense was quite deceiving…He was not a scorer , but the offense still centered around him. Not the same as today’s inside-outside game(because of the 3 pt. shot) but never the less effective…He had such good fundamentals, he always knew how to keep the defense off balance, by knowing where he needed to be on the floor, to make his teammates effective….this may be just positioning for a rebound, at the end of the play….but he could always keep them honest without having to score….
  I think Oden will be more of this type of player + add in a little Shaq …Also because of the 3 point shot, it can allow a more potent inside outside game than Russell had….
  He will score. but not actually be a go to scorer like Shaq was…..He will score because too many other Blazers can score..and the other Blazers can get easier, more open shots (He will be double teamed often)…In the end , he will probably just be Greg Oden….like no other player out there, today or in the past…..

One other thought on perimeter defense….This continues to be a weak point on the team…a problem that needs attention, but will not get to prove it’s value early on….In that, perimeter defense is a combination of one on one and team …it often gets better when the team gets adjusted to playing together…however, because of the 3 point shot being such a potent part of the offenses through it’s evolution, perimeter defense is way too important to ignore…Therefore, if you are weak at one on one defense, you become a liability on your team…..especially if the dimensions of your play is limited….
   It’s hard to understand where Nate equates this to his players…he talks “D” but usually fields an offensive team( maybe because we are usually behind)….He benches players for poor “D” and turnovers….so will this be the year that Nate decides on what type of player fits this team better(or has more value)?
    Batum or Outlaw………Gifted defender, and team player with high BBIQ or athletic, semi-effective,one dimensional, one on one jump shooter………?

by 67 on Oct 21, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP needs to find perimeter defenders

Lord knows he has enough resources to bring a couple in via trade or free agency

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Batum and Bayless

are a step in the right direction, BTW

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Olajuwan had three years of college

give GO time

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It isn't about age or experience, though.

Stylistically, Greg Oden and Hakeem Olajuwon are just entirely different from each other.

That’s not a shot at Oden; yet, I’ve got to give Olajuwon credit for being a unique athelete.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Understood - Hakeem was one of a kind

but I was lucky enough to get to follow his college career, living near Houston then. He developed A LOT through college. Always graceful for his size, we did not see anything like the Dream Shake until his third year, and he never fully developed it until the pros.

Robinson never had the power Oden does now, nor even Ewing. It occurs to me Snaq may be the best equivalent, and di he ever develop a better move than force an awkard hook, follow the rebound and then dunk among a pile of bodies? The best thing that Oden does and Snaq did is use their power to keep opponents off balance and leave them out of position. Just different than Olajuwan or Robinson or Ewing

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 11:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

David Robinson ...

had an insanely strong upper body. Aside from Karl Malone, Robinson was the most muscular man of his generation. Nonetheless, Robinson played with tons of finesse for a due of his size and strength; that’s mainly because he had a growth spurt fairly late in life, which affected his style of play.

Anyhow, Shaquille O’Neal is quite possibly the greatest low-post banger in NBA history. Hell, I think that most everyone can agree upon that fact. Thus, despite Oden’s inherent abilities, numerous talents, and budding skill set, O’Neal at his peak was still a notch above “Big O.”

Furthermore, Patrick Ewing was a power post player; thus, you shouldn’t discredit him. At Georgetown, Ewing redefined the pivot in an era wherein skilled centers such as Ralph Sampson (a.k.a, the second-coming of Lew Alcindor), Sam Bowie, and Hakeem Olajuwon were all the rage.

by AK1984 on Oct 21, 2008 12:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oscar Robertson was, and always will be, Big O

Find another nickname for Oden.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If LaDainian Tomlinson can take "L.T." from Lawrence Taylor, ...

then this nickname sharing isn’t a big deal in any way, shape, or form.

by AK1984 on Oct 21, 2008 5:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Oden has stated he prefers GO. You want to argue? Talk to him.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 21, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shaq had a good array of low post moves

but when he became 3 times large than everyone, it just became easier to always bully his way through. He had a good hook, and a spin moves and good footwork. Check out some young Shaq highlights. After you do that, just image Oden with all of his quickness back.

"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.

Dunk Parade.

Forever."

-Ben

"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""

"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"

-Dave

by Magnum on Oct 21, 2008 12:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was impressed with his decision making

especially the timing of his passes out of double teams – not too early or late, the second defender had commited and already faced GO but had not yet swarmed him. Dwight Howard did not do that his rookie year, Snack O’Meal was in the league 3-4 years before he learned to dump the ball off in time.

And something those two will maybe never do: he shoots free throws well. Just the one clank in the fourth quarter, an every other free throw occurence for Snack and Howard.

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 10:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Oden has the freethrow form of a guard—rare indeed among centers and invaluable at the end of close games.

by Trutherlizer on Oct 21, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Smack O'Meal... nice.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 21, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Our bigs kept their bigs at two points and three rebounds

And while the Miller – Hawes combo played only limited minutes (with Sacramento trying out a lot of their PFs) and is not exactly at the top of the league, they aren’t at the bottom either. Good job.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 20, 2008 11:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting better

I thought Greg’s conditioning looked better tonight. He moved up and down the floor without looking like it was killing him. He is going to be fine. I was a little worried when he went for a follow up dunk and there was a king laying below him on the floor.

by Goden on Oct 20, 2008 11:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Martin

Is/Will be a star in the league. I don’t mind him getting those calls, but I just hope that we will as well. Oden seems to be headed that way. I’m really anxious to see what Bayless is going to do given his demeanor. This could really set him back, but welcome to the NBA.
Rudy wasn’t exactly spectacular on defense, but I think Martin came out with something to prove, especially with a lot of the Roy v. Martin talk going around lately. He was hot, and I don’t think much of anything would have cooled him down.
Speaking of defense, from what I saw on the ghetto-web-cam-tracking-muted deligth that was Justin tonight, Batum looked decently smooth with the offense, confident on defense (maybe he shouldn’t have been tonight) and didn’t cause any of the problems that Outlaw did. I still can’t believe how much it seems like he’s gone backwards. Outlaw made a nice pass on the break, and finished well a couple times, but overall, it just looks sloppy. Always did, I guess, but a few game winners makes up for it, at least last year it did.
The Big Three, were, Big.
Overall, an awesome game. I’m so desperate for blazers nowadays I don’t even mind the terrible video quality.

by jjustgo on Oct 20, 2008 10:38 PM PDT   0 recs

I was impressed with Trout's ball-hawking

he had a couple of poke-aways on defense that you don’t usually see

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice mini wrap !

     Stuck in Medford with no TV, no Radio, but
fortunately BE & O-live to pick up the pieces.
     I posted on GO in another thread, but as
predicted, with minutes, everything goes up.
Especially, the foul trouble for the defenders.
GO will be fine (Sans IR), and this team is
on the way to 55 wins !

    GO BLAZERS ! Down with the Blackout !!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 20, 2008 10:39 PM PDT   0 recs

Statistical observations.

The Blazers had 20 assists to 39 made field goals… I’d love to see better efficiency in this area.

Hawes and Miller played 25 minutes, committing 7 fouls. Wow.

Rebounding edge, 41-25 Blazers. This is key.

Oden and Aldridge had 8 assists. That is key to future success. If they can pass out of the double team, our offense is much more effective.

Blake did exactly what he needed to do for us. 9 points, 3 steals, 2 TO’s, 2 assists and 1-2 from distance. He is a great role player to play with the black unit. He commands the offense so much better than the young point guards.

All in all, good effort and good game. Love the way that they shot from distance tonight.

by Cablinasian on Oct 20, 2008 10:40 PM PDT   0 recs

And then there is Frye.

I really don’t see his role on this team. He is a good player, but I don’t know that he will get the minutes to succeed in Portland. Aldridge looked great.

by Cablinasian on Oct 20, 2008 10:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a loooooong season.

      How many teams in the NBA have a 6’11"
reserve PF/C who can run the floor, knock
down the 18-20 with consistancy and have
improved their 3pt shooting to make that a
weapon. In addition, he can rebound, block
a shot, run the pick n pop and is a great guy
and interview. Injuries happen and the more
skilled and prepared bigs you have the better.
Buffet will find a 12-15 minute role and will
get xtra minutes since we will blow many teams
out.
     Remember Matt Bullard on those Rocket
championship teams. A thorn in the side and
Buffet is more versitile than Bullard.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 20, 2008 10:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

he was capable filling in for LMA last year. What I saw was some confusion on spacing on offense when he was in the game, but then I noticed that whoever was in. With players sliding over from point to SG to SF to PF depending on substitutions, that could be a persistent problem.

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don't know how much we can spend on a backup of his quality.

You said it yourself. He is a 6’11’’ PF who can run the floor, knock down shots, rebound… someone is going to offer him money and it will be up to Allen to see how much he values the second unit.

by Cablinasian on Oct 20, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Y'know, that's a good point.

A replacement for Channing Frye could be found in the 2009 NBA Draft, with someone such as Tyler Hansbrough potentially filling the role of LaMarcus Aldridge’s backup.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No!
A replacement for Channing Frye could be found in the 2009 NBA Draft, with someone such as Tyler A replacement for Channing Frye could be found in the 2009 NBA Draft, with someone such as Tyler Hansbrough

Hansbrough is not going to be an NBA PF. He’s not athletic, small, and unskilled beyond the paint. All the opposite of Frye. Next years PF class is uncharacteristically small. PF is one of the easier positions in the league to fill though. Ike Diogu for example, isn’t someone you’d cringe to see out there, and we was had significantly on the cheap. We’re going to have to either trade Channing for something or lock him up. He’s too valuable of a piece to just lose for nothing. His skill set at his position is rare. Post players that are capable of shooting the 3 ball don’t grow on trees. We should just use most of the Darius refund on him, if we can’t find a serious trade partner.

by as11osu on Oct 20, 2008 11:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As a late first-round draft pick, ...

there’s much worse options than Tyler Hansbrough.

As a Seattle SuperSonic fan for many years, I learned to enjoy and respect the play of Nick Collison, who closely resembles Hansbrough. While Hansbrough won’t light the world ablaze in the NBA, he’ll be a useful backup at power forward for some team.

Notwithstanding Hansbrough, however, there’ll be other options.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed -- Hansborough muscles his way through college kids

That will not fly in the pros…You have a Frye replacement on the bench…Randolph…KP and Nate know that…and he’s signed for the minimum..

by LetsBlaze on Oct 21, 2008 5:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Balance

Is there a balance between how much we can spend on a backup of Channing’s quality and how much he wants to stay in Portland and be a key role player on a multi-championship team?

I expect Channing to re-sign for a reasonable amount, maybe less than he could get elsewhere, but nothing that significantly undervalues him. I expect he will extend for three years, which will set him up for a really good payday not that far down the road as an UFA.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 21, 2008 12:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He loves Portland &

    PA’s $’s.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 21, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Channing Frye ...

has proven himself to be a worthwhile backup at power forward behind LaMarcus Aldridge, so his roughly 12 to 16 minutes per game of solid production ought to earn kudos from us.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My thoughts on your impressions
—We saw a glimpse of the Blazer offense of the future, which consists of penetrating passes to big men followed by low post moves or return passes for open shots. It’s going to be just that simple. Yes, the attack will be peppered with slashes from the wing and mid-range jumpers, but that inside-outside game will be our bread and butter. This is going to lead to the major inside players getting a ton of foul shot opportunities, which is not a bad thing.

This is what you want from your offense. Good teams don’t win games shooting mid range J’s. They win first off scoring easy points inside, whether they be slashing layups, dunks, hook shots, bank shots etc. Obviously if you control the interior that is step #1 to winning in this league. The second most important shot is getting open 3 point looks for your good shooters. That is essentially what we tried to do tonight, and hopefully what Nate will continue to work on throughout the year. I can’t tell you how frustrated I got having Nate coach games to get open mid range shots. Those are IMO, the worst shots and least efficient way to puts points up in this league.

—We also saw a glimpse of one of the remaining weaknesses, which is wing perimeter defense. Lamarcus Aldridge may still be our best perimeter defender at the moment. That’s a credit to him but a worry otherwise. The Blazer wing players didn’t look hopeless, but there were too many moments of inattention or slow reaction.

Brandon Roy is the only player on this team that I trust to consistently keep his man in front of him. Good teams usually aren’t forced to have their best player matched up against the other teams best player, but it seems we might have to play that way, if we’re going to hold some of the better players in the league down. Batum is great, and creates turnovers, but the way he let Martin just abuse him wasn’t pretty. Rudy had that problem as well, but like Batum will usually try to negate that by forcing steals and gambling on the defensive end (more on this later). When Martell gets back and Travis hopefully is pushed back even further in the lineup, this should improve. Travis isn’t set up to defend guys on the perimeter. His best position sadly enough was the 4, and now we don’t really need him there.

—We saw a little different form of defense tonight: more pressure and attack. We allowed a much higher percentage than is comfortable but we also forced more turnovers. Then again Sacramento was shorthanded in the point guard department.

This is what I was talking about. Most of our players are set up to play essentially transition defense. I call it that because it sets up our transition offense. Players that are much better taking chances than playing sound defense are abundant on this team, especially on the perimeter. GO and Aldridge are also more than capable of playing in this style. The idea behind it is that you’ll give up better looks, but you’ll also score a couple automatic looks for yourself in transition. This was the philosophy most teams that run use. In PHX Shawn Marion was next to useless defending people in one on one situations, but was a master of creating turnovers via steals or blocks. Our second unit will almost certainly use this tactic more than ever considering all 3 of the perimeter guys are much more comfortable running and taking chances than sitting down and playing shadow D (S-Rod, Rudy, Trout).

—I loved the overall unselfishness. This is a trickier balance than people think. On the one hand you don’t want to force early, individual shots under most circumstances. On the other hand you can’t be passing up good shots. The Blazers looked good tonight with their ball movement and decision making on offense. I’d love to see a more professional break, but that will come in time.

Travis… calling Travis. Time to pick this up. When you’re wide open from 3, you shoot. You don’t dribble into the defense, and follow that up by taking a fade away deep 2 point shot. When you’re defended from anywhere outside of the paint, that by definition will be a less efficient shot than a wide open J worth 3 points. Its really simple. This is why eventually J-Bay will be playing. If nothing else, he understands this concept. When he enters the lane his first thought is finishing strong in the lane. He also is more than willing to pull the cord and take the open 3 point shot. I know they play entirely different positions, but so long as Trout can’t defend, you might as well have Bayless out there more.

—Nicolas Batum’s boxscore is a hodge-podge. He had 8 rebounds but only shot 2-9 for 5 points and Kevin Martin scored many of his 34 points while being guarded by Nic. What to make of it? To my eye, he had a good showing. He was active, the shots he took were mostly well set-up and well-timed (in fact I’d be mad if he didn’t take them), and he showed why the coach has confidence in his defense by the way he negotiated his way around the floor on that end. He did very well if you measure him against Nicolas Batum. If you’re looking for a guy who’s going to be a weapon and shut down guys like Martin or John Salmons, that’s not Nic right now and it’s not going to be for a while. For first steps these were good steps though.

He knows how to play smart winning basketball. Martin absolutely used him in one on one situations. Martin does that to everyone. Batum got caught with a couple veteran moves, that he’ll eventually understand how to defend. Tonight he was a little quick with his shot, which is okay, but if you’re not wide open, you better not be shooting. He’s not at that level yet. He is our best option starting at the 3 right now. You don’t want Outlaw in there ruining the flow of our first unit.

—I liked Rudy’s offensive outing and I think this is going to be typical of what you see out of him. He’s going to hit those deep shots our interior players create. He’s going to move himself and the ball around the court and not let the opponent off easy. He’s going to have one or two wicked plays that you remember. And he’s going to score somewhere between the low and high teens depending on how many minutes he gets. I’m quite comfortable with him being out there. His defense was exposed a little tonight. A big part of that was the concentrated Sacramento attack but there are still little decisions Rudy can make better…NBA decisions particular to this league and style of play, playing the right percentages and moving accordingly. This is another case of not expecting everything right away. Give him a couple trips through the league and he’ll be more polished defensively. My guess is we won’t have to worry about it after that.

Another player used by Martin. I don’t really care so long as he gets those points back on the offensive end, which he is more than capable of doing. He got over 30 minutes of action tonight, and for the rest of the season shouldn’t ever be stuck with less than that. I’ve started to think of him as part of the Big Four. In fact, right now, he’s easily ahead of Oden. I don’t see why I shouldn’t expect Manu-like things from him this year. He’s our 6th man, and should be the first player you put in the game off the bench. It shouldn’t be about putting your best 5 man starting unit on the floor, it should be about getting the most you can out of the 48 minutes every game. Rudy makes our second unit lethal. Tides of games will swing when he steps onto the court.

—I really like Sergio’s effort and body language. I think he played appropriately on both ends of the court when he was in and he’s giving great, controlled effort out there. The best way to put it maybe is that he’s developing but he’s not playing developmental minutes out there.

He’s playing good defense. Its a different world from last year. Also, offensively he’s a different player with Rudy on the floor. J-Bay is going to be a 2 this year because of the way Sergio is playing. If Rodriguez continues to hit that 3 point shot, we’ll eventually have our very own “Calderon”. His progression from the end of last year is probably the nicest surprise (along with Batum).

—Didn’t get much of a look at Bayless. Still fighting an uphill battle it seems. Give him the ball and let him score and he’ll be fine, but that’s not the Blazers’ plan right now, any more than it was their plan to put the ball in Sergio’s hands and let him control the offense the last couple of years.

With the way Nate likes to use 3 guard lineups, I’m betting most of Bayless’ minutes this year will be the direct result of our unresolved SF situation. He forces more attention than Outlaw, and will eventually steal some of those minutes away. For every one of those though, it’ll hurt whichever 2 has to defend a 3. Good thing most Western Conference 3’s aren’t high efficiency scorers. Bayless will get time, but it won’t come til later in the year, probably via injury. Eventually he should be on the first unit with Roy. Hopefully he’ll get that chance eventually.

by as11osu on Oct 20, 2008 11:06 PM PDT   0 recs

The gang that couldn't shoot straight

Remember the Blazer teams from 2+ years ago that couldn’t shoot the ball from outside (besides Zach)?

What a transformation KP has made!

Roy, Rudy, Blake, Aldridge, Frye, Webster…these guys can knock ’em down

by two4larue on Oct 21, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dear God its 2 AM back here

and I have to work tomorrow morning. My boss is going to have to get used to the fact that on days I wear my Roy jersey lapel pin, I may be late the next morning. But I may need to move back to Portland.

Thanks all for the entertaining and ENORMOUS threads, and for the great analysis, Dave.

It is a exciting but also scary to think that I am writing off 82 nights a year for the next 10 years or so, not including playoff games,

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 11:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah Honka -- I'm an east coaster too --

fortunately I don’t have a boss….LOL

by LetsBlaze on Oct 21, 2008 5:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too!

I took the night off and am saving my energy for the regular season. Have to pace myself…..I do have a boss who likes early risers. Grumble….

"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"

by blazermaniac32 on Oct 21, 2008 6:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Atlanta

I know not really East coast, but it is in the Eastern Time Zone. Yourself?

"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"

by blazermaniac32 on Oct 21, 2008 7:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sactown Royalty

had only 50 comments on their game thread. just thought I’d point that out.

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Oct 20, 2008 11:15 PM PDT   0 recs

Also a Fanpost urging the team to SIGN DARIUS MILES IMMEDIATELY

as a way to stick it to Portland, without compunction

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 20, 2008 11:36 PM PDT