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The Blazer Stock Market

Since the real stock market is doing so…erm…well at the moment I thought it might be a good idea to ignore it completely and make our own Blazer version.  We’ll probably repeat the exercise at each quarter mark of the season to see where things have gone.

 

The concept is simple:  each player will get a recommendation of buy, sell, or hold based on how he’s valued at large right now versus what he’s likely to produce.  A couple IMPORTANT caveats here:

 

1.  This has nothing to do with trade value or the advisability of trading players!  This is only a measure of a player’s value amongst the Blazer community, not around the league.  Turning a “sell” recommendation into a trade recommendation is a misuse of intent.  (For the same reason it’s not much good for your fantasy league either…sorry.)

 

2.  Part of the fun of an exercise like this is debating the ratings, which is encouraged.  However realize what you’re debating before you enter the fray.  This is not as simple as “Player X has a ‘buy’ rating so Dave thinks he’s good but Player Y has a ‘sell’ rating so Dave is saying he sucks.”  This is not strictly a measure of player talent.  Rather it’s an attempted measure of how much the player is valued by the fans (as far as I can tell from reading comments and such) versus his actual value.  Microsoft is generally a great stock in the real market.  If you woke up on a Tuesday and had an offer for $90,000 a share you’d get a STRONG sell recommendation!  That doesn’t mean it’s a bad stock or a bad company, it’s just being overvalued at that moment.  This is not a strict measure of talent, but perceived value.  This is not a strict measure of talent, but perceived value.  Make sense?

 

So here we go.

 

Brandon Roy              Recommendation:  Hold

 

Right away the “not talent, but value” mantra is put to the test.  Brandon is clearly the key to this team right now, the captain, The Man.  He does so many things well and fills the leadership role so perfectly he’s going to be a blue chip stock forever.  However, everybody knows all this and his perceived value in Portland is sky high.  Also, while he’ll get incrementally better with continued maturation, it’s not like his contributions are going to take a huge leap and get you tons of unexpected credit for riding the train.  This is where you should invest the nest egg of your fandom…your heart…the part that you can’t afford to speculate with or lose.  Barring injury, it’s the safest investment you can make.  Beyond that base, though, if you’re looking for the thrill and big gains, you have to put your money somewhere else.

 

Lamarcus Aldridge                Recommendation:  Buy

 

Lamarcus is going to be a fantastic investment this year.  He gets less attention than Roy or Greg Oden but he’s likely to be the main go-to guy on offense and the team’s leading scorer.  If Oden plays Lamarcus should show huge strides in defensive effectiveness, free to roam around instead of watching the paint.  If Oden doesn’t play then Lamarcus gets to take even more shots.  There’s really no way he won’t have a major effect.  The fact that he’s the third name in the big three and he’s not new and sexy anymore to thrill seekers chasing the Next Surprise Rookie means you can monopolize bragging rights about him now and sound smart later.

 

Greg Oden                  Recommendation:  Short Term--Hold, Long Term--Buy

 

If you need an investment to pay off right away you have to steer clear of Oden.  This is no surprise…we’ve been saying that for months.  He’s going to be solid this year, hopefully develop some dominating features as the year progresses, but you’re going to have to wait at least a year to see his full game if not more.  When that game gets here it will have an amazing effect though, so if you can afford to wait Oden’s stock can be had cheap from all of the impatient people and too-smart-for-their-own-good nay-sayers.  You’ll never be able to invest so affordably in him again.  One word of caution though:  one reasonably bad injury and he’s going to become a penny stock for a while.

 

Martell Webster        Recommendation:  Buy

 

Martell’s play has gotten steadily better over the last couple of years and he looked to be coming out strong again this season before injury laid him up.  Still, the enormous expectations he carried early in his career haven’t left him entirely.  Plus his game is mostly non-sexy to the casual eye.  Combine that with the injury that will keep him out for a few more weeks and you have someone whose contributions are undervalued on the market.  This isn’t an airtight guarantee of return, but it has a reasonable chance of hitting and making you look good later.

 

Steve Blake                Recommendation:  Hold

 

Every other year before this Blake would have been a serious “Buy”.  He’s chronically underrated by everyone he doesn’t play with.  Portland fans are beginning to catch on, though…not enough to give him full credit but enough not to slight him so much.  Rumblings about the guards beneath him getting better would normally mean this is a great time to buy, figuring he’d again become the guard you didn’t talk about but now can’t live without.  But we don’t know if the rumblings are true.  If they are, he may lose minutes.  That won’t happen early in the season, though.  If you want to invest here it’s not a bad decision, you’re just not going to get as much credit as you would in a normal Steve Blake year.

 

Travis Outlaw Recommendation:  Hold

 

Travis was pretty much the strongest “Buy” of last season and traded hard and high during the first part of the summer.  Another so-so training camp has brought his value back to earth, leaving all of those “Travis at any price” investors nervous.  If he doesn’t have a good early performance there could be serious backlash against him, which would then be the time to buy, because he’s really not that bad.  On the other hand if he has a spectacular early performance his stock would shoot right back up, meaning you missed an opportunity to buy here.  My guess is he will simply have an inconsistent early performance, making his stock too volatile to invest in at this time.  We have to know which way he’s going.  It’s not time to dump your Travis stock, but it’s not time to acquire more either.

 

Joel Przybilla              Recommendation:  Hold

 

The smart investors filled their portfolio with Joel stock last summer, when his value was way low.  He had a good year in 2007-08 and fans are excited about seeing him in a back-up role this year, figuring he’ll be powerful there.  They’re probably right.  So why isn’t this a “Buy”?   Because as the year progresses Joel’s role will depend less and less on him and more and more on how Oden fares.  It’s always dangerous to invest when the target of your investment doesn’t have his destiny in his own hands.  Also even though Joel will make a dandy backup right now fans may be overestimating the value of a backup in general, meaning they’re trying to sell him too high.  Plus if Oden goes down Joel will probably be perceived as a medium-decent starter instead of a fantastic sub, so there’s no real upside in perceived value even if he gets more minutes.

 

Channing Frye            Recommendation:  Sell

 

Remember…this is not a measure of talent.  Channing is a good player.  Channing is extremely popular amongst those who know and hear him.  That makes his value in some ways rightfully high.  The big problem is the one we’ve always mentioned:  meet Lamarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, and Joel Przybilla.  The more those guys excel and serve their purpose, the fewer minutes will be available for Channing.  Lamarcus is going to play a ton, we know that for sure.  Greg will play as much as his recovery and development allow.  Both will have a chance to solidify their positions as the season progresses.  That means the popular and talented Channing Frye may not find time and touches to take advantage of his gifts.  If that happens his perceived value will lower.  If he does get major minutes it probably means something is wrong with Aldridge or Oden, which could cause the entire market to come crumbling down.  The only truly happy scenario for Frye and the market is if he assumes Przybilla’s minutes for some reason, but that’s a thin thread to hang an investment by.  Channing may well be at the peak of his popularity right now, which is when you want to sell if the future is uncertain.

 

Ike Diogu       Recommendation:  Sell

 

I’m not sure many people have Ike stock, but if you do he looks a bit cumbersome in pre-season.  He’s enough of a veteran to know where to move but he’s not looking special when he gets there.  If Channing’s minutes will be hard to come by, Ike’s may be non-existent.  If you are a huge, huge speculator then buy up all of the Ike stock you can right now and pray that Coach McMillan wants a traditionally physical guy at power forward sometimes.  Chances are, though, this will just end with a whimper, so make sure you can afford to lose the investment if you make it.

 

Rudy Fernandez         Recommendation:  Hold

 

Rudy started making waves well before he arrived and the hoopla hasn’t stopped.  He’s one of those guys where if you got in on the IPO you’re good to go but now that the stock’s been out and listed as hot everywhere there’s not much point in buying it up.  Rudy will be a great team player but may not rack up the kind of stats every night that make his stock remain at Brandon Roy level long-term, even though it’s certainly there right now.  Don’t sell unless someone makes you an insane offer, but hold off on buying up more Rudy until we see what happens in the regular season.

 

Nicolas Batum            Recommendation:  Sell

 

Nic’s not a bad player and has several qualities that recommend him to the team:  defense, quickness, doesn’t need to shoot or dominate the ball.  But the book on him so far reads inconsistent, streaky, sometimes amazing and sometimes passive.  So much has been made of his insertion into the starting practice lineup due to Martell Webster’s injury.  Investing because of a game or a week in pre-season is hazardous in any case, even with veterans who are supposedly reforming or re-shaping their game.  For a rookie with situational skills and Batum’s dossier it’s ultra-risky.  We haven’t seen him in even one regular-season game against guys like Bruce Bowen, Lamar Odom, Carmelo Anthony, Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Rudy Gay, Richard Jefferson, Tayshaun Prince, Danny Granger, Corey Maggette…the list of big, athletic, talented, veteran small forwards goes on.  Chances are he won’t be a starter or even have significant minutes once the season gets rolling and everyone is healthy.  Not that he couldn’t if he’s incredibly quick to adjust, incredibly quick to learn, and incredibly consistent as well as being talented and physical enough to hang with those guys. Chances are that won’t happen immediately and Coach McMillan will go with other options.  Given that, sell your Batum fan stock while it’s this high and maybe look to re-invest later.

 

Sergio Rodriguez       Recommendation:  Hold

 

I hate to change iffy recommendations based on short-term, pre-season performances, but the fact remains that the smart money was on a Sergio sell-off this summer and we’re not so sure anymore.  He’s demonstrated enough basic improvements to make you think he could get a shot at minutes.  There are point guard minutes to be had on this team too.  Plus you can’t sell your Sergio stock yet at a price that’s as high as when you bought it.  That makes the decision not to sell easy at this point.  We could be looking at a future “Buy” but I’d hold off right now for a couple of reasons.  One, this is still new and untested.  As always, consistency will be the key to performance.  Two, Sergio has always had a cadre of early adopters that inflate the price, making a buy recommendation more difficult.  Still, keep the corner of your eye on this stock.

 

Jerryd Bayless           Recommendation:  Buy

 

While Sergio’s perceived value has risen during pre-season, Jerryd Bayless’ has plummeted.  This could precipitate a  “Sell” recommendation to cut losses.  But I’m going the opposite direction.  Why?  Market overreaction.  People were expecting Summer League-like returns on their investment and they’re nervous now that it’s become evident that they’re not going to get them right away.  But Jerryd’s still a player and he’s going to be a player.  Plus--and this is a key--he has a skill set that’s not duplicated elsewhere at his position and not much on the team either.  Sergio is playing better than Jerryd right now but Sergio is competing with Blake for minutes because they’re both pure point guards.  Jerryd is competing with Jerryd.  (He’s losing right now, but still.)  Neither Sergio nor Blake can bring that specialized scoring punch.  Travis Outlaw is the second-unit scoring master but his stock is slipping and he doesn’t get into the lane and draw those tough, Iverson-like fouls the same way Bayless can.  Jerryd has a niche if he can just figure out how to fill it.    At some point during the season he’s going to get that chance.  At some point he’ll probably figure it out too.  That’s not to say he’s going to be a great player in the short term, just that he’s not as low as his reputation has him right now and there’s plenty of potential open field in front of him.  For that reason this could be a good speculative investment.

 

Raef LaFrentz            Recommendation:  None Necessary

 

If you invested you’re probably stuck with the stock.  Sorry.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Blazers MarketWatch: KP outsmarting the NBA bear market

Brandon Roy: Market Outperform. Excellent AAA rating received.
LaMarcus Aldridge: Strong Buy
Greg Oden: Overweight, oops wrong wording, Long-term Market Outperform
Martell Webster: Hold, wait for next quarter
Steve Blake: Sector Performer
Travis Outlaw: Sector Underperformer, high market potential
Joel Przybilla: Underweight playing time, Overweight/Buy defensive performance
Channing Frye: Fair Value/In Line, look to buy next year
Ike Diogu: Neutral
Rudy Fernandes: Buy, Buy, Buy
Nicolas Batum: Accumulate, continues to beat consensus analyst expectations
Sergio Rodrigues: Hold if upwards trend line is broken
Jerryd Bayless: Underperform, long-term buy
Raef LaFrentz: Hold, wait to cash in after expected takeover
Shavlik Randolph: Sell (forward sale?)
Luke Jackson: Sell
Stephen Hill: Hold, Fair Value expected
Petteri Koponen: Stock transferred to Italian exchange. Hold.
Joel Freeland: Sector outperform in EuroIndex. Hold.

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Transactions in last quarter:
Jarrett Jack + Josh McRoberts: Sold above market value
Von Wafer: Short Sale

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 20, 2008 3:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm ...

I’d hold on Channing Frye and Ike Diogu — for most folks have tempered expectations regarding them as the backup 4 and third-string 4, respectively — while Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw are stocks that should definitely be sold, since the former has dwindled value due to injury concerns and the latter hasn’t fulfilled his potential or reached the lofty goals that’ve been reportedly set forth by himself.

by AK1984 on Oct 20, 2008 4:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Hold the Frye(s)

He’ll get his minutes behind LMA – don’t you worry. If I were Ike on the other hand, I’d be building up my bench butt calluses because barring injury or blowout, he isn’t going to see much daylight.

by DonkeyShins on Oct 20, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Portfolio

Roy – Sell – The team’s leader and most reliable performer, but the local market has already priced in another All-Star appearance and the playoffs this year, and neither is a lock. So there is little upside left in the stock price this year. Plus injuries can send this stock tumbling and threaten the success of our entire portfolio (hence I’m buying more Rudy below as a hedge).

Aldridge – Buy – This one is easy. The most undervalued of our Big-3 stocks and may benefit the most from our new stock at center. If we make the playoffs this could be an All-Star stock in February.

Oden – Hold – This could be a volatile stock during the first 3 months. If it goes straight up I’ll still benefit from what I’m holding now. But more likely I’ll be able to buy more Oden on a dip in Dec. Either way I’m expecting a good profit by the end of the year.

Webster – Buy – This stock was recently beaten down due to its injuries and the irrational exuberance about a potential 19-year-old wunderkind. By late Jan this stock will be up again. I think it has matured and will be a solid all-around performer for years.

Blake – Hold – This is the most stable stock we have. It is now fairly priced and it isn’t going anywhere in the next few years. Not up, not down, and not into another market.

Outlaw – Sell, Sell, Sell – This stock is now over-valued. If we could trade this stock into another market I would hold it because it will still have good value in another geography. But since outside trades aren’t allowed, this stock has only one way to go here. It’s a one-trick pony that reached it’s peak in a much less versatile portfolio last year. We already know it doesn’t fit in with our top-tier stocks and it won’t fit as well as last year when we put our 2nd tier stocks in play. We can manage that more efficiently by emphasizing the hot new international stock we acquired this summer.

Rudy – Buy and Accumulate – Yes this international stock has already been a hot play, but I’m going to gamble a bit and continue to buy because if Nate manages this growth stock correctly it could elevate the whole portfolio to championship status. It’s also a backup play for Roy if that stock is temporarily off the market due to injury. A key risk is that Nate won’t find a way to keep both Rudy and Roy in play at the same time. But if Rudy’s stock is the shooting star that many predict it will be, Nate better find a solution if he wants to continue as Paul Allen’s portfolio manager.

Channing – Hold – This stock gets limited play as a backup, unless one of our two biggest stocks goes down with an injury. That would send the price of Channing soaring. I see little downside from its current valuation so I’m going to just hold it and pray that I don’t need to make money off this one. It’s also a Green stock so it’s got great PR value for this market.

Batum – Hold now, and re-evaluate on Oct 28 – This is the most volatile growth stock we have had this summer. I’m waiting until the first day of the New Market and if this stock makes the first tier of our portfolio I’m selling because it will certainly be overvalued. But if we take it out of play and go with our hottest international growth stock, I’ll buy Batum and hold for a couple of years. There’s lots of long term gain in this young stock if we don’t destroy it by trying to get too much out of it too soon.

Bayless – Buy – This stock is severely depressed now, and we won’t get much out of it this year. But this is one stubborn stock that will eventually find its rightfully place and help Point the way for our portfolio in the future.

Sergio – Sell – I’ll take my profits now. This is a dead cat bounce. This international stock performed poorly last year and its price has run up now based on a couple of good days in the preseason market, and an unrealistic expectation of synergy with our hottest international growth stock. Those returns will be unrealized because this stock will not perform well as a Defense play under regular market pressure and it’s not a reliable performer as a purely offensive play.

Diogu – Sell – Can we find a buyer?

 

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 20, 2008 4:51 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent analysis

Can I hire you to manage my portfolio?

by pualo on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you a broker or adviser?

As a broker, you’d make me nervous…..long term and short term investments are balancing acts to keep my business and adds to market(team) instability
   As an adviser, you would be going against your ethics, in that you need to recommend us for the long haul and realize your investments(players) are sound to begin with. (and they will pay dividends)…….
    The Blazers are considered to be a mix of blue chip and growth stock players, with a few fill ins (bonds) to help you get through injuries….Stay the course with what you have…diversity being the safest bet, even though it may not get you the max return on your investment today, it will pay you enough dividends in the future, you wont have to worry about when to buy or sell….

by 67 on Oct 20, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

This is clever

and I agree with the recommendations

by JMoon on Oct 20, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

i really like this post

very nice read, love the way you looked at the roster.

by ssa400 on Oct 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Baby Pictures

Hard to argue with this. It’s, as our grandparents used to say, something to chew on. The only think lacking was the fact that we needed baby pictures for these fellows, so that we could see if maybe we should’ve bought their stock at steeply discounted rates before the market picked up on them.

by Eben Calder on Oct 20, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm no broker but...

Brandon Roy: HOLD
See a slight increase in porduction (in statistical numbers), but even if those were to decrease he, for now, is a Golden God in Portland.
LaMarcus Aldridge: HOLD
I see the point that Oden will free him up, at least from the doulble team in the post, but I see him, possibly, reverting to his jumper a little more than last season while Greg takes the brunt of the points in the paint.
Greg Oden: BUY
Maybe a little risky, but the payoff could be great.
Martell Webster: HOLD
Better than perceived? I’m Holding
Steve Blake: HOLD
As expected
Travis Outlaw: SELL
I don’t see his value going up. With Webster and now Fernandez taking possible minutes from him. Possibly Batum, too
Joel Pryzbilla: HOLD
You know what you can expect.
Channing Frye: HOLD
Rudy Fernandez: BUY
Another risky buy. But I like the risk.
Nicolas Batum: HOLD
I honestly can’t assess this cat, yet.
Sergio Rodriguez: BUY
I like the potential with Sergio and Rodrigues on the floor together. Obvious chemistry. The hope being that it makes them both better playing beside each other.
Jerryd Bayless: HOLD

"I'd hate to be you if I were me." - Eddie (Barfly)

by NBAstard on Oct 20, 2008 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

you don't have to know about stocks

to realize that although he is not a piece of dead wood, yet.(Outlaw)…He’s a half broken branch that could turn into dead wood and therefore is the most logical player to sell (while he still has some value)…… You may lose some of your investment, but you have all the other stocks and bonds (players) you need to get the dividends you want……And you have the best perspective(History) to make a qualified decision on him
   Hold the rest……. You have worked hard on your portfolio ….and are still quite diversified….This means, that if you hold some losers, you can always cut your loses and still have a solid core group to offset them (You also need some history on all the stocks(players) in your portfolio, to qualify your decision) ……and by holding, you can keep some capital in money market and bonds( bench players & Raef). This may allow you to purchase a blue chip stock (player) in the future. When you get this player, it solidifies your already strong portfolio, and you can retire…..

So IMO, you have the better portfolio than Dave….(but I’m also not an expert, not a gambler, and do not like to take risks when I don’t have to)…

by 67 on Oct 20, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the safe move

is simply to invest in the team across the board and wait…although with the Blazers now being hyped across the league you may be overpaying. The smart move would have been to invest heavily right after last season.

BUT the safe move makes an awfully boring blog post. So I took the perspective of wanting to play the angles to maximize profits at some risk. That’s far more entertaining and allows us to consider individual players, their perception, and their value.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

I would not attempt a post such as yours, cause I would definitely be out of my league… You have a well contented post and thought out well. I couldn’t resit the comments though, given the trade talk of late….
     My perspective is quite generalized (and boring)…I took the easy way out in my comment….But sometimes the easy and safe perspective, is the best way, for a simple person like me….
  It has been fun and not boring ….keep up the good work

by 67 on Oct 20, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

A side note of thanks

Dave…..having a site like this for Blazer fans to keep in touch and air their opinions is quite unique….It is greatly appreciated and very entertaining……Its not often you get to air opinions, based mostly on theory ,speculation, and one’s own perspective…..You do an admirable job of running the site and still allow people the freedom to express themselves….You obviously work very hard to provide this entertainment and to keep things interesting,…..and to that, I say …..thank you

by 67 on Oct 20, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

And let me say that it’s always nice hearing a voice of investment reason.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

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