Today's Poll
by Ben. on Oct 16, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
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ESPN The Mag printed their "Top 100" fantasy basketball picks in this week's mag, which apparently was the top 100 out of this Top 190.
Brandon was at 42, Greg was at 65, and LaMarcus was at 66.
For some comparison, the top 10...
LBJ, CP3, Kobe, Amare, D Wade, Nash, Dirk, Josh Smith, KG, D Williams.
Around Brandon...
- 40. Ron Artest
- 41. J Kidd
- 42. Brandon
- 43. Gerald Wallace
- 44. Mike Dunleavy
- 45. Lamar Odom
Around Greg and LaMarcus...
- 61. Andrew Bogut
- 62. Ray Allen
- 63. Tony Parker
- 64. Mike Bibby
- 65. Greg
- 66. LaMarcus
- 67. Brad Miller
- 68. Corey Maggette
The question for today.... Now that the season is just around the corner, and we've gotten looks at all 3 guys, how did ESPN screw up when ranking our players?
Vote and explain your reasoning!
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Tony Parker is too low :)
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 16, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy behind Kidd?
Are you serious? At this point of his career, what does J-Kidd have to offer? He has seriously crippled the Mavs franchise, and he’s nowhere near the kind of player he used to be. He’ll get worse this year while Roy will get better if G.O. stays healthy. This list is garbage (except for my boy at #1, but you can probably already tell where my loyalties lie).
by Amar from Cavalier Attitude on Oct 16, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind folks, this is FANTASY BASKETBALL.
NOT REAL BASKETBALL.
It is based on STATISTICS. And not even all statistics. For example, if a player dishes 15 assists but gives up 10 turnovers, the turnovers do not affect the fantasy value of the player. Simmons’ rant about Andrei Kirilenko as a fantasy pick is a perfect example of the difference between actual value and fantasy value.
Chances are decent that Kidd will put up better fantasy numbers than Brandon. This does not mean that Kidd is a better player or that Kidd has a bigger positive impact on his team. It just means that he put up good numbers.
This said, this is exactly why I voted that Oden is ranked too high. I think he will have a great year and have a fantastic impact on our team, and that he will probably be ROY. However, I think his most of his value will come from intangibles that aren’t captured in the statistics. He will be a force down low. He will command a double team. He will make guards think twice about driving into the paint. He will open up scoring opportunities for LaMarcus (not to mention Roy, Web, Rudy). He will embarrass Andrew Bynum.
That doesn’t mean he’s a good fantasy pick.
As a result I also think LaMarcus is too low (and as I am typing this mxpx just said the same thing).
Word.
by joelor on Oct 16, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many fantasy leagues
DO count turnovers and negative stats. Often, well set up fantasy leagues do reflect real life value in many ways. There are some players (especially wing defenders) that are ranked too low.
Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. - Ben G.
by jamon51 on Oct 16, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but this list
is definitely catered toward a specific type of fantasy league which is pushed by ESPN (keep in mind this is an ESPN article). I would imagine that, if you recalculated, you would get a very different list in a lot of ways.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 16, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
you beat me to the punch. brandon is awesome and much better than a lot of those players, but at the same time he doesnt put up those godly type numbers that they do as well.
by Philthyanimal on Oct 16, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was about to get really pissed off that Josh Smith was even considered top 10. But in fantasy, he’s a God because he can play 3 positions as SG, SF, PF.
by dyshooter182 on Oct 16, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd is overrated.
Kidd isn’t that great anymore. He is getting on in years, and has had health issues. Dallas paid too much for him, and wasn’t better off for it.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Oct 17, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA
Lamarcus is seriously way too low on that list, I think he is going to surprise a lot of people this year with his production. It can not be said too many times just how much Greg Oden is going to help his game.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Oct 16, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of fantasy experts think LMA will do worse with Oden
in terms of fantasy value of PFs, they may be right. I could see LMA get 20 points a game this year, but his rebounding and blocking could go down, and that’s a big problem for a PF in fantasy.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on Oct 16, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.......
…..mike dunleavy? ugh
Bring back headbands!
by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 16, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing.
I like the Oregon boys, but he is way too high.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 16, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read in a couple o' places
that Roy is a guy who has been kept low on lists because of injuries. At the same time, a lot of experts say this is the last time you’ll be able to get Roy outside of the 2nd round and he’s a great value.
SPEAKING OF FANTASY BASKETBALL
I created an Blazers’ Edge league, but only 3 people have joined so far! And I’m one of them. So, if you are interested in a BE league send me an e-mail and I’ll send you an invitation.
xcrunningfool@hotmail.com
The league is a 10 team, H2H, ESPN, standard settings (pts, rebs, blks, steals, assists, FG, FT and 3pts). We draft on Saturday, but that can be moved back until the league fills up.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on Oct 16, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
5 spots left
All experience levels welcome!
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on Oct 16, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 spot left in the Blazers Edge league
not to be constantly pimping my leagues or anything, but if you miss the boat on the last open spot, I have a team I’m doing with my father and brother (both 1st time fantasy basketball players) called Blazer Fans. Beginners are preferred in that league (for the sake of my relatives), but all are welcome.
http://games.espn.go.com/fba/leaguesetup/st/ownerinfo?leagueId=47761
this is has all the same settings as the previous league, minus the keeper option and league manager. There are 7 spots left in that league; it’s public, so just follow the link and you should be able to join.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on Oct 16, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There should be an option...
… that says ESPN is ALWAYS wrong.
by postup on Oct 16, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I trust ESPN as far as I can throw it
and with my back I shouldn’t be throwing anything
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 16, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 for Ferris Bueller reference
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Oct 16, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am Not Going To Be Biased
Even though brandon roy is great player, fantasy Bball is all about stats and Roy is not that.
by bowdown on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are so right
Brandon is all about the Blazers winning games regardless of what his personal stats look like (although his stats are pretty good too) – and he is darn good at it.
LMA>LA! LMA is da MAN!
LaMazing! LaMarkable! LaMarvelous! LaMagnificent! LaMonster!
This is your year LMA – this is your year!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
Chris Morrisette - Trailblazer Troubadour Extraordinair!
"LMA was easily the best player on the court. Good thing he’s on our team, since we obviously have no one that can guard him." - Engineering Problem
by LaMarvelous on Oct 16, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden will be in the league's top 5 in the following stats
Blocks , FG % , Rebounding, FT attempted. That is as long as he doesn’t lead the league in fouls.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
folks this is fantasy
and these predictions are right on.
Roy doesn’t get you that many 3s or steals (those are huge in fantasy) and fantasy owners want to see LA hit the boards harder.
Oden might be too low, but really who knows about Greg?
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Oct 16, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I bet they are going off last yearish and just throwing Greg in. Greg should make everyone better. He might not make him better though. I don’t have a problem with the numbers.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on Oct 16, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN factors in injury concerns
and apparently they think that every Blazer is injury prone and will miss tons of time this season. Of course that is why I think most of our guys will be bargains later in the draft
by SalemORguy on Oct 16, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As jksnake says, it is fantasy.
I’m not into playing fantasy leagues, so the ranking is not worth commenting on.
What i’d be curious about is if they did a ranking of players by GM’s coaches and even the players themselves, as in “Pick the four gus you’d like on your team the most”.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 16, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So why are you commenting?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 17, 2008 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I could ask my question.
Otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted that ESPN got it right
mainly because they are talking about FANTASY basketball (which doesn’t matter a bit in the W-L column). It’s also the reason that Z-bo makes a much better pick for your fantasy team than your actual team.
by Montavilla Steve on Oct 16, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy is all about individual production...
…and the Trail Blazers are all about team balance.
Lebron, D-Wade and CP3 are ranked so high because they have less than stellar production on the court with them and have to do more as individuals. BRoy, Oden, LA, & co. will be spreading the ball around a lot, looking for the best shot rather than going to one guy every-time down the court (I’m talking to you Kobe).
More team balance = Less Fantasy BB All-stars = More team success.
by cic on Oct 16, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes and no.
The example work much better for Lebron and Wade than it does for CP3. In fact, having other good players on the floor (as the Hornets definitely do) makes CP3’s stats better, mainly because of his assist strength. If he had worse teammates, they would finish less and he would have fewer assists.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 16, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
CP3 drops dimes that even Steven Hill could finish (no offense Mr. Hill, but you are “that guy” on the Blazers squad these days).
Put Manute Bol on Chris Pauls’ team and he averages 25pts/gm… with at least 5 no-jump dunks every night
by cic on Oct 16, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To take in consideration...
Those rating are based on stats only, and it doesn’t reflect properly how good is a player. I mean, Zach Randolph could be a good player for a fantasy, but he’s horrible for a franchise. This ranking does not reflect how good is a player, it just reflect how does his stats fix with the rules of the fantasy. Look at Hollinger’s PER. Ginobili is the best SG (even ahead Bryant) just because he plays less minutes than Kobe and others SG. Although Ginobili is one of the best SG, he is not THE BEST. This ranking is based on some arbitrary rules, and, according those rules, maybe all of them are in the right position, but it means nothing. It’s just a game
by Bend3r on Oct 16, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes people, enough with the "fantasy is based on stats posts."
Sheesh, sometimes I feel like no one reads the comments…
Word.
by joelor on Oct 16, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they don't read the comments...
they won’t read yours saying “enough”, either.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 17, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, we don’t need to defend out players for not being fantasy studs. I think the ratings are pretty right on, I even think LMA might be a little high.
More overall team production= lower fantasy ratings for our players.
by jessenumber1 on Oct 16, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the term fantasy sluts.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 16, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy too high meaning high in number
Roy should be around 14 on this list not at 42.
by koyote on Oct 16, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden ranked much too high
If he can stay healthy. i’m seeing him becoming a 16/9/2(blocks) player for his career right now. with that said, he’ll probably be an 11/8/1.3-1.7 guy this year.
I think we’re seeing greg’s body fully maturing right before our eyes. he’s (filling out) as they say. take away his weight lifting and injuries and you still have a kid becoming a man and an evolving body.
he’ll regain his cardio. and yes, he’ll be more powerful – but does anyone here really believe he’ll recapture the speed and agility he had pre ’08?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Oct 16, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare looks pretty quick
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on Oct 16, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were he 30 years old, maybe not.
But he’s 20. So yes, I think he will get back to that level. Then surpass it.
By the end of this season, Oden’s numbers are going to be a closer to what you list as his career average, than they will be to your prediction for this year. Career wise, if he doesn’t blow your number out of the water, it will be because of a series of injuries.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 17, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy schmantasy!
This may be ESPN’s idea of a fantasy but it sure the heck isn’t mine. My fantasies are all about the Blazers winning championships and wearing rings!
LMA>LA! LMA is da MAN!
LaMazing! LaMarkable! LaMarvelous! LaMagnificent! LaMonster!
This is your year LMA – this is your year!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
Chris Morrisette - Trailblazer Troubadour Extraordinair!
"LMA was easily the best player on the court. Good thing he’s on our team, since we obviously have no one that can guard him." - Engineering Problem
by LaMarvelous on Oct 16, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the thing is
brandon doesn’t give you the steals and lamarcus hasn’t been consistant enough… so i’m okay with it and happy to hear the blazers in the conversation
by SamGoody on Oct 16, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is missing from fantasy basketball rankings?
Wins.
The real travesty? NBA Live 09 player rankings!
by david1978pdx on Oct 16, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not go crazy folks
We’re running a giant rotation right now with a deep bench. It’s crazy to think that any of our guys will be good in fantasy basketball.
by robrun2 on Oct 17, 2008 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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