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OT: How I finally got over the 2000 WCF

Today I saved a near perfect girl from an unjust love and finally got even with my nemesis.

Last night I took a girl to the Blazer’s game for our first date. Before you judge, know that I met her while covering her soccer team and she plays basketball as well, so a game made sense.

Seeing as the action wasn’t exactly electrifying on the floor, we got to talking about other sports teams we like. I was impressed with her knowledge of sports, but she let it spill that her dad grew up in LA and she therefore roots for the Lackers, except of course when they play the Blazers. She also let it slide that she loves Kobe.

My heart dropped. Here was this super sweet, intelligent, and extremely cute girl that is into sports. I knew it was too good to be true, but did it have to be Kobe?

Now I’m not so much of a fanatic that I would let her misguided love of Kobe ruin what could be a very good thing, but it sure as heck sent a jolt of pain up my spine.

We went to dinner afterwords and the rest of the date went really well, but the whole time I had the Kobe thing hanging over my head. I had to prove to her that Kobe is not a good person,and not someone she would want to cheer for if she really knew his story.

I told her about the Shaq thing and she shrugged it off as general bad blood seeping out. I also remembered a column I read about Phil Jackson ripping Kobe in one of his books. But at the time I couldn’t really think of any other sound evidence to support my hatred.

So I got home, did a little googling to find the article, and low and behold, there it was. Bill Simmons to the rescue.

She read it today and while she said I’ve crushed her hopes and dreams, she agreed that he truly is a jerk and said she can no longer root for him after reading the article.

‘00 WCF considered I’d say this even things up. Kobe 1 Kobestoppa 1. I can’t tell you how good it feels to help a Kobe fan see the light. All I can do is recommend that all of you go out and spread the word. Together we can make this world a better place.

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Sorry if this is Junk Drawerish

I was originally writing it there, but then it got so long it made sense to make a fanpost.

by KobeStoppa on Oct 13, 2008 6:01 PM PDT   0 recs

nice story

(but I sure hope the soccer team you were covering was like UP or Concordia and not some high school or junior high soccer team. Not that I think arbitrary barriers should stand in the way of love or anything, just don’t want you to get arrested.)

by Bust a Bucket on Oct 13, 2008 6:07 PM PDT   0 recs

It was Chemeketa CC

I’ve been getting my start down here after dropping out of Engineering and taking some time off.

by KobeStoppa on Oct 13, 2008 6:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

for some reason...

when I read this I was thinking up a Dave Chapelle skit or something where you go crazy on her. Thanks for doing the “right thing”.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 13, 2008 6:23 PM PDT   0 recs

I assure you I would have kicked a lesser woman to the curb

Figuratively of course.

Last year I took my Ex to the Blazers vs. Lakers game that we won towards the end of the year. She did nothing but moan and whine for 3 quarters.

It wasn’t until I left mid game, she couldn’t wait till quarter, to get her nachos that she stopped complaining about being there. And it wasn’t till the fourth quarter when the crowd realized we had a legitimate shot at closing the game out that she started cheering with me.

I feel that as a serious sports fan, taking a girl to a game is a good barometer for whether things will work out in the long run. That’s when you can really tell if she just pretends not to be bothered sports and secretly plots to one day ween you off them

by KobeStoppa on Oct 13, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was at that game...

taking my son out for his 21st birthday. One of the best nights all around of my life!!

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 13, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The game was just incredible...

and we ate a real nice dinner downtown before the game next to a bunch of L*ker fans wearing Kobe jerseys, oh – it was so nice to win that game.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 13, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we have fun

I have 6 sons, 13-25 years old and I rotate tickets betwen them all and my wife (of course I go to the games with them all, one at a time). Some sons are more passionate than others, but they all love it. And my wife, wow – she yells twice as loud as I do! If you have a lady/wife/girl-friend that likes the Blazers (like I do) you are set, life is good…. just giving you some inside view on how it can be for you years from now….. And also, I allocated my Lakers’ tix to me and the 21 year old this year, and my wife wouldn’t talk to me for several days. Sigh, she is over it now, but man…. those are hot tickets.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 13, 2008 9:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 13, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

B. E. A.-utiful!

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 13, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't tell who has the ball

"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.

Dunk Parade.

Forever."

-Ben

"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""

"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"

-Dave

by Magnum on Oct 13, 2008 7:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Beno Udrih

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Oct 13, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

of course!

Thank you

"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.

Dunk Parade.

Forever."

-Ben

"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""

"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"

-Dave

by Magnum on Oct 13, 2008 8:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who's judging?

 I think a Blazer game is never a bad first date choice.

by everett on Oct 13, 2008 8:04 PM PDT   0 recs

AMEN!!!

Man I love tongue tacos - Mortimer
Only thing better is Trout on a stick roasted over an open fire - annthefan
I have a pic like that of my dog - tominhawaii

by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 13, 2008 10:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dating a laker fan -- a personal reflection

i’ve been going out with a laker fan for over a year now. not just a laker fan, but a kobe fan, too. it was tough finding the right girl down here in southern california, so despite this stumbling block she won me over. it was difficult at first, with our relationship prone to multiple late night arguments and fits of shouting rage. we said things we probably didn’t mean (“rapist lover”, “jealous hater”, etc.). unresolved anger filled the air.

but over time, i must say my blazer heart has won her over. slowly but surely i have convinced her that basketball fandom is so much more meaningful when the players you root for are good people. she now updates me on oden’s preseason form. i send her videos of rudy blowing by kobe in the olympics. she records lakers games on her tivo, i delete them, order league pass, and record blazers games. she says lamarcus aldridge is the hottest guy on the team. i admit that, yes, lamarcus is pretty darn attractive.

just a week ago, we found tickets to the blazers/lakers opening night game. this being la, we had to look fashionable. i would obviously look good in my roy jersey, but was worried she would revert to her old form. i asked her what she planned on wearing. “i’m going to order a new shirt that says ‘i (heart) LA’ on the front.’ my hopes were dashed. ‘and,’ she continued, ‘on the back it’s going to say #12, lamarcus aldridge.’” the perfect woman.

JAH

by abetterbomb on Oct 13, 2008 9:01 PM PDT   1 recs

You had me at "Rapist Lover"

I can picture the scene oh so clearly and all i can say is… LOL

That sounds like the kind of relationship sitcoms are made of.

by KobeStoppa on Oct 13, 2008 9:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

kobestoppa

Well this is an awesome story but truly one thing Im expert at is being a girl. I am forwarning you to tread lightly. There is a really really really good possibility that she is/was just saying that to make you feel right (female tactic ) and to squash the totally annoying tendancy of this boy she likes to keep trying to convince her to hate someone that she is a fan of . It may actually be hurtfull. Kobe is a terrible person. I know him personally (ok i dont but I had to say that to rationalize my blanket statement) . But for a Laker fan, he helps them win (most of the time) and he is vital to their hopes and dreams of Laker glory for ever (w/o our Oden of course, but that is beside the point). The notion that a fan of a team (she seems to really know her stuff and wouldn’t just attach herself to a random winning team to feel “in” w. the crowd) would like them all the time unless they play one other specific team is not really rational and I wouldn’t believe her. She probably doesn’t like theBlazers ( some on, the Lakers and Blazers are rivals, pick one! Sheesh!) and she probably just said that because she knows you are a true Blazer fan and hate the Lakers and all their fans.

Im not saying she’s a liar. Im not saying she’s a coniving evil biatch . I am saying that she is pretty much not going to admit how much she loves the Lakers because she doesn’t want to hurt your feelings and that’s because she likes you.

So all in all, any girl / guy that willingly pretends to not like their fav..team or player very much for you is a TOTAL KEEPER!
Good luck

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2008 9:15 PM PDT   0 recs

Sophia you are...

going to catch fire.

Man I love tongue tacos - Mortimer
Only thing better is Trout on a stick roasted over an open fire - annthefan
I have a pic like that of my dog - tominhawaii

by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 13, 2008 10:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

stay out of Sophia's way...

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Oct 13, 2008 11:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you just violate some "Girl Law" or something

by sharing your analyzation with a board full of males?

If so, thanks for taking one for the Blazer Fan Team. Dat cool.

the Spanish contributors on this board are hellah cool

by G_dubs on Oct 14, 2008 4:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not ALL girls are like that

I would never pretend to not like my team for some guy. I am too loyal, and would never lie and say “oohh, I love K*be, Paul Pierce is such a stud.”

If some guy was trying to date me and he was a L*ker fan (or Celtics too), all bets are off.

When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".

Man I love him.

by twiggs on Oct 14, 2008 6:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I actually went on a first date w/ a guy and he revealed he was a laker fan and I was like “sorry I cant do this”. I am brutally honest and would never compromise my blazerfandom. I would never lie about it either.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 14, 2008 9:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know she is a Blazer fan at least to some extent

She owns a Sheed Jersey and at one point she was on the phone with one of her friend making her jealous that she was at the game and the friend wasn’t. Apparently they used to be “fanatics” and they’d wear jerseys and go to games together.

I think the problem is that she likes basketball for the game and the players, but she doesn’t get so deeply involved that she reads the press and therefore doesn’t know their history and back stories.

And with a dad that’s from LA I guess at some crucial juncture in your life you either jump on that bandwagon with him or firmly despise them and forever root against them. Unfortunately she chose the latter and I don’t think she fully understands the amount of hypocrisy that decision forced her into.

So I didn’t tell her she had to hate Kobe, I simply laid out the facts and let her make the judgment for herself. Fortunately, whether it was for me, or because she’s a good person and simply didn’t know how much of an arrogant bastard Kobe is, she has seen the light.

Now I just have to hope her dad doesn’t hate me for converting her. Or maybe it will become one of those secrets that the family can never know. Either way, it should make for a good story.

Also, you girls have to realize that a guy finding a girl that is a sports fan & roots for the same teams you do is a lot harder than the other way around. Cause most guys are sports fans, so if you disagree on teams you can just throw him out and go back to the large mass of sports fans to choose from.

Girls that are genuinely interested in sports are much harder to come by. A lot of girls say they’re interested in sports so they can get closer to you, but when it comes game time you can see the boredom and despair on their face. So when you find a girl that is entertained by a preseason game in which only 1 starter is suited up, you rope that girl in and and never let her go. It’s a slim market, so when you find your target, you gotta take the shot and never look back.

by KobeStoppa on Oct 14, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah you are right, we do have way more to chose from

She sounds like a nice girl :)

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 14, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, congrats

And good luck :)

When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".

Man I love him.

by twiggs on Oct 14, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The moment I got over it was when I watched it on youtube

and realized that the Blazers really did collapse… and not only that, they collapsed from what we all knew was their biggest weakness through the entire year. We didn’t have a solid “the man” and when we really needed one, it showed. It’s like when Memphis lost the last NCAA tournament because they couldn’t hit free throws down the stretch, but you can’t call it bad luck because they couldn’t hit free throw all year.

See for yourself here.

by Gargen on Oct 13, 2008 9:39 PM PDT   0 recs

it still hurts.

we should have also not waited untill game four to show up… :)

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2008 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It hurt just to go find it to link it

but seeing it on youtube is the only time it bugs me any more. I can talk about it all day without a problem and having watched it again (about a year ago maybe?) was what changed it.

BTW, anyone that says sports don’t matter is full of BS. Maybe they shouldn’t, but they do.

by Gargen on Oct 13, 2008 10:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh yeah sports matter

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 14, 2008 9:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good lord

That was like watching a highlight real of my dog getting run over. Only the dog had 10 minutes to step out of the way and instead of being quick and spry like a dog should be, it chased it’s tail for a few minutes then got the ultimate deer in the headlights look and just sat there and waited for the end.

What a choke job.

by KobeStoppa on Oct 13, 2008 10:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

but that’s kinda the point. For years I was bitter about how we got a screw job, but watching it again somehow put it to rest in a “we just didn’t deserve it if we couldn’t put that fourth quarter away” kinda of way.

by Gargen on Oct 13, 2008 10:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to spoil the party

but my understanding was that Phil was playing his usual media/mind tricks with the book, as he wanted Shaq and not Kobe to be kept by Laker management (which explains why he came back to coach the supposedly uncoachable Kobe). Management was ultimately right, and I believe Phil has actually admitted as much somewhere along the way. “Last Season” needs to be taken with a big grain of salt, and should not be given anywhere near the same weight as, say, Roland Lazenby’s excellent “The Show.”

Kobe is like Michael Jordan in a lot of ways (though lacking the same business drive and level of extroversion that Jordan possessed in order to be a beloved brand), especially in the treatment of teammates (also: his spats with management have been more bizarre and childlike, to my knowledge, as opposed to Jordan’s ongoing derision and condescension towards management. Seriously. Read Lazenby’s also excellent “Bull Run”). Basically, if you want her to not root for Kobe, she has to not like that type of person, and realize that Kobe is that type of person.

I got over the 2000 WCF (and the early nineties stuff as well) as much as I ever will at Duckworth’s memorial. Something about him giving his blessing and love to the new group of guys here just made me let it go, like it just didn’t matter anymore. We hadn’t won a title, but we had found our way home, and that was an indescribable feeling. I still yearn to see a parade down Broadway, but I now feel like I can enjoy past teams for what they were, and not get so hung up over what might have been. I hope that made sense; I’ve been trying to articulate it for a while now…

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Oct 14, 2008 1:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Canzano was right

Re: BFT broadcast 10-09-2008.

And that’s OK. It’s “charming”.

the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool

by G_dubs on Oct 14, 2008 8:03 AM PDT   0 recs

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