Ainge will screw up Blazers cap space
I think not only will Miles make Bostons roster he will play the 10 games needed to make the blazers loss there cap space. I think after Ainge got the short end of the trade with Portland by taking Telfair for Roy basicly he took alot of heat and it might have been close to him losing his job and now its payback time for him. Plus if you read quotes from his Boston teammates they are glowing reviews over him.
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Danny Ainge won a championship last year
No one in Boston cares about the Roy trade anymore. Ainge is a professional and would not add a guy just to screw over the Blazers cap space and it would destroy his credibility.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 5:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Double Agreed.
The Blazers capspace probably registers about as high on Ainge’s radar as him wondering what KP eats for breakfast. The ONLY reason the Cs will sign Miles is because they feel he can contribute to the team in some meaningful way … if it happens to reduce our available cap room next summer then that would just be a little bit of extra gravy.
by nikolokolus on Oct 13, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capspace was a bonus anyways.
Losing Miles and getting an additional roster spot was the primary purpose of calling the independent doctor and retiring Miles. Capspace would have been good, but not the end of the world if we miss out on it.
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by T Darkstar on Oct 13, 2008 5:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No. capspace is the only reason to bother with the medical retirement
If the Blazers didn’t care about cap space or his contract, they just would have cut him.
If Miles DOES play 10 games—I almost expect the Blazers to try and void his contract…
by EngineerScotty on Oct 13, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, roster spot more important
Capspace was a bonus for us as an aside to the ulitmate goal. The greater point to the medical retirement was to clear the roster spot as quickly as possible (as that gave us most flexiblity). And to justify, keeping Darius from the team without degrading him or the team in the process. The fact that insurance picks up 80% of his salary was an additional bonus. I believe the number one goal was to clear a roster spot. Salary savings and capspace are both bonuses. With the medical retirement the framework for the contract buyout is set by league policy. If we were to try and just buy out his contract (ala Steve Francis) then negotiations could have dragged on eating up the window of opportunity to fill that final roster spot. In other words, we’d never get to argue over Hill, Randolf or jackson for the 15th slot.
by NWfan on Oct 13, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did we need that roster spot?
So we could keep Randolph, Hill, or Jackson? That’s really a key thing to our success, having Randolph or Hill. Not. A fifteenth man is virtually irrelevant.
But if the roster spot was the main factor, we would get it through either a buyout or just out and out cutting Darius. If the medical retirement hadn’t happened, I think we would have bought him out for about 95 cents on the dollar, so he could go play for Boston or somebody. If he wouldn’t agree to that, we might have just cut him. But only if we needed the roster spot, which we didn’t.
The best financial move for the Blazers would have been to keep Darius on the roster and never play him, getting the financial help of the insurance for one more year, and then go for the medical retirement next spring. That way, he wouldn’t have been on our cap space next summer when it matters. There is no way he could have impacted our cap space next summer if we had waited a year.
The fact that we went ahead this year helped Darius, but not us.
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by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is that you then have a guy rotting on the bench
and really, that’s not cool or fair.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 15, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
But from a strictly financial perspective, that is what made the most sense.
People want to make it out that the medical retirement was something bad the Blazers did to Darius. Not true. It let him do what he wanted. They actually hurt themselves by doing it when they did — they risked their cap space for the time that it mattered.
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The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 16, 2008 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Maybe they really thought it was in his best interest to retire because of the threat of injury and not being able to walk without a reconstructed knee. It is possible that they expected him to sign with another team that would let him risk his future and the cap space was secondary to them.
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by tssbro on Oct 13, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Be Honest
I never thought it would happen. Quick always mentioned it but I thought he was just dreaming. I love Quick, but he’s sort of a homer. Maybe Quick is Mortimer.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim over at "Green Bandwagon" doesn't sound like he thinks Miles will make...
“As for Miles. He only played at the very end but had a couple of blocks (one on a layup as time expired). He also had a nice hustle play to save a ball from going out of bounds. But he moves around like a much older man. That’s probably due to the injuries. It remains unclear whether he’ll look better with more playing time or if he is what he is at this point.”
http://www.greenbandwagon.com/2008/10/11/633172/preseason-game-3-boston-ce#9344870
At least that doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsment to me. And tominhawaii is right, Ainge is way more concerned with winning than he is with “getting back” at Portland. There is no way he keeps Miles around unless he truly thinks that Darius is better than his other options.
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 13, 2008 6:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it, after the 10 game drug suspension that is
And honestly it’s almost worth taking back 9 mil on the books to watch Boston implode their team. Who cares. Look – I’m yawning right now.
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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 13, 2008 6:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, one question I keep thinking
Who in the world would we want? I don’ t want anyone out there. We HAVE our team.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 13, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
+1
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Oct 13, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should rec it if you put the plus one
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Oct 13, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to do covert recs
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm never talking about them again. :{
The faith (and I'm a guy) perverts. :)
by faith on Oct 13, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't turn down LeBron
I’d gladly take Kobe if he is willing to move to small forward. I don’t think anybody else is worth the trouble to get or would fit.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i went ahead and rec’d this just so i could unrec it.
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by CatMan2 on Oct 13, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No take backs!
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Kobe
as our 15th man just to make him sit on the bench and watch. That would be worth something.
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The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured
Lebron wasn’t really out there on the table. He’s too much about his image to be willing to sacrifice to make our team. It’d be a bad move for Lebron inc.
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by ratbastird on Oct 15, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I think by next year, LeBron and Oden could win with you as the starting and me as the back up point guard.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 15, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep saying not to worry
I still hold onto my belief that Portland won’t lose the cap space. It’s a long road for the loss of cap space:
1) Darius has to make the squad, meaning the Celtics decide to cut a guaranteed contract in favor of him (because at this point I don’t see them cutting O’Bryant, the only other non-guaranteed contract they have besides Miles). And they’re over the luxury tax threshold, meaning they’re cutting twice the salary to get nothing in return.
2) Darius then has to vault over 3 other players. He has to remain on the active squad of 12 during his suspension, meaning they lose a roster spot during those games while 3 guys languish on the inactive squad.
3) Darius then has to actually get into 10 games. He’ll be the 12th man – meaning there will be games (the important ones against division/conference rivals) when he’ll be bypassed in favor of better players.
4) Portland will then have to lose their appeal. According the Larry Coon, the ‘intent’ of the 10 game rule was designed to prevent circumvention of the cap by a team re-signing their own player after the doctor had determined the injury was career-ending (like the Knicks and Allan Houston). The league could very well decide either that the intent of the CBA does not eliminate the cap space for Portland or even rule that the Celtics signing of Miles was only designed to hurt the cap space of the Blazers and is invalid (especially if Miles doesn’t see significant playing time during the games that he does play). Either way, Portland has a decent argument for keeping Miles off the books – since it was the independent doctor making the ruling, not a Portland doctor.
I seriously am not worried about the Blazers losing that $9 million in cap space.
by Storyteller on Oct 13, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
excellent points, all
You nailed it buddy. Let’s make your word the Gospel and not worry about the Miles situation anymore. That dude is such a damn bore. And ugly too. Let’s just wish him well with his used car dealerships and be done with the dude.
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by vavoom on Oct 13, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another spin that might appear:
Miles attempts at rehabbing in Portland were half-hearted; as soon as he was no longer a Blazer he started taking it seriously.
by EngineerScotty on Oct 13, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's another scenario
Boston does cut Miles but he sticks with some other team because of a relatively decent pre-season showing. He has to get through the waivers/vulture period too. That 10-game suspension won’t make it easy on him though.
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by Dave on Oct 13, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’s actually more likely than him playing for Boston, I suspect.
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The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
You just put a real nasty thought in my head. Point three made me think of all the “Darius Watch” fanpost we’d have to endure if it took him a couple of months to actually play in 10 games.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been banging on about #2
Boston would have to go into 10 games with only 11 guys available for Darius to serve his suspension. In other words, he has to be good enough that they think it is worth it to make three healthy guys watch while he sits, and make key rotation players play out garbage time (if they blow somebody out). I just don’t see that happening unless they really think he is going to crack their rotation and be a key contributor for them.
How many teams want to irritate their 13-15 guys so that guy #12 can get his suspension out of the way? If Darius makes it up to #7 or 8 on the depth chart, then it makes sense. But he has to be better than #12 IMO to make it.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeeeeeaaahhhh boyeeeeeeee!
Flava Flaaaaaaaaaav is in the house! Yeah, I’m not worried about it. Even if the money goes back on our books I’m still happy we got rid of Flava Flav, I truly think our one big shot to land a big name and/or up and coming PG/SF is this year with RLEC packaged with one or two of our young prospects and a draft pick or two. The free agent market this and next year is full of overpriced superstars and chuckers anyway. Do we really want Melo, Wade, or AI taking 30 shots a game?
by oden is GOD OF WAR on Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be happy with Wade.
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by timbo on Oct 15, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not available until the following year, is he?
Anyway, we’ve got Brandon and Rudy at SG. Two is company, but three’s a crowd.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 16, 2008 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal
I watched some of Boston’s preseason game and Miles looks terrible. He cannot stay in front of his man and he is extremely passive on offense. I don’t think he’ll make the team.
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by blzrfan on Oct 13, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right, he's not anywhere near 100% of our impending 2009 off-season cap space.
What were the numbers again?
I believe even with his numbers back on our payroll, the RLEC and expiring rookie contracts
put us still substantially under the cap – and there weren’t any $17mil guys worth spending
the full amount of cap space (Darius included) on.
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by QualityPie on Oct 13, 2008 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Approximate numbers
The Blazers could have a maximum of about $30 million in cap space, assuming a $61 million cap in 2009-10.
If Blake isn’t cut by 6/30/09, that number is reduced by $4.0 million
If Outlaw isn’t cut by 6/30/09, that number is reduced by $3.6 million
If Webster gets a qualifying offer, that number is reduced by $11.3 million until he signs a new deal
If Frye gets a qualifying offer, that number is reduced by $9.5 million until he signs a new deal
If Diogu gets a qualifying offer, that number is reduced by $8.7 million until he signs a new deal
And, of course, if Darius goes back on the books, that number is reduced by $9.0 million.
by Storyteller on Oct 13, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks; I had a feeling you might have numbers.
Totally reinforces why any of the expiring rookie contracts that don’t get extended now
stand a better chance than not of being traded, just to get those cap holds out of the way.
So Darius getting reinstated, and keeping Blake and Trout, would shave the $30mil down to $13.4mil.
That’s still more than enough to work with, given the 2009 free agent market.
We’re way more threatened by those potential cap holds than by Darius’ status.
So say we let Ike go, extend either Martell or Channing Frye to something in the $6-7mil range,
and trade the other one for waivable/buyoutable players and/or draft picks so as to avoid the cap hold.
We’d go into the offseason down a forward with about $10mil of cap space.
That’s still all we need to add a piece, really.
And that’s the Darius-returns-to-the-NBA scenario, really.
VERY secondary to how we handle the expiring rookie contracts of MarWeb and Channing.
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by QualityPie on Oct 13, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Especially since we probably won’t be signing a free agent. We’ll probably be trading for someone in a salary dump (no way of telling who at this point), and probably we’ll give up one or more players in exchange, which means we’ll be giving up some salary, too.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is becoming
a mute point right now. This has become Miles V O’Bryant, those are the two fighting for the last roster spot. And by just looking at the box scores you can see this isn’t even close. O"Bryant is starting and playing 20+ minutes a game while avg over 10 points while Miles is barely playing and I dont think he’s scored more then 8 points in a game yet. I was worried about this when camp started but as of now I’m not worried one bit, there is no way miles is making the Celtics roster.
by ggassen85 on Oct 13, 2008 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moot...its a moot point.
Not that big of a deal but…take it or leave it.
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by tssbro on Oct 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I cringed too.
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by Mike-Fu on Oct 13, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
It’s mute, too, because we’re wasting our time talking about it.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Ainge ...
should attempt to trade away Gabe Pruitt, so as to open up a roster spot for Darius Miles.
Pruitt, who’s the odd man out due to the drafting of J.R. Giddens and re-signing of Sam Cassell, is in need of a new destination. Since Pruitt is a USC alum, a trade whereby he’s dealt to the Los Angeles Clippers — which just suffered from the sudden retirement of Jason Williams — would be a homecoming of sorts for him.
The Clippers, however, don’t have a trade exception to use in such a transaction; otherwise, I’d suggest that Mike Dunleavy, Sr. should part with the draft rights of Greek power forward Sofoklis Schortsanitis — who, in theory, could’ve joined the Celtics next season if Leon Powe and/or Glen Davis bolted in free agency — for Pruitt.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No salary match there
Are Clips under the cap? If not, they have to give up salary to take on salary.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure...
I’m pretty sure Kevin McHale wiped away any bitterness Danny Ainge might have had about getting the short end of the Bassy/Brandon trade
by inroywetrust on Oct 13, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let Danny deal with it.
Let’s see, having that roster spot allowed us to sign Batum. Anybody want to trade Batum for Miles?
No takers? Well, then I guess whatever happens happens, but we got the young French kid that everyone seems to like, Boston got – well, they got Miles. And MIles is in his sixth year of pro-ball, and in that time frame, he played in just over 60 games in one year, in the 40’s in two years, and none at all in the last 2 years.
You know something?
I’d sure rather have Batum sitting in the third SF spot than Miles. Nothing personal, but how on earth do you factor anyone with that track record into your rotation. If he’s a backup – then you got to have a backup for the backup just to have a reserve for 80 games.
Nah, let Danny deal with it.
by Eben Calder on Oct 13, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We didn't need that roster spot
for Batum.
We could have added him without dumping Miles.
We did this because Darius wanted to play and we weren’t willing to risk his ability to walk. That’s it. He wanted to play, so we told him, take medical retirement and go prove it somewhere else, because we aren’t going to play you. So he took medical retirement. Win-win. He comes off our cap, and he gets the opportunity he wanted to go learn for himself that he can’t come back. It’s only a win-lose if he hurts himself in the process.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 15, 2008 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You go, Darius!
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by timbo on Oct 13, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
DARIUS MILES IS SOFT AND WEAK. He wont make the boston roster. I was watching on NBA TV and they showed boston’s practice, afterwards they interviewed Ainge. When asked about Miles he said all the things you would say about a player that comes up short on a roster.
by JRRIDER on Oct 13, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two things
Boston won’t sign Darius (to many garunteed contracts in front of his)
and
Ainge is the kind of guy to try and screw Portland. dating back to when we let him go in ‘91 and while they won’t sign him, one thing little danny is doing is giving Miles is exposure and glowing assessments. So if another team wants to they can take a chance…
Gee thanks Aingey boy
by SamGoody on Oct 14, 2008 12:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry its late
guaranteed contract
and also
“one thing little danny is doing is giving Miles exposure”… (notice the lack of the second "is")
“chance… to sign him”
and done… thank you for your patience :)
by SamGoody on Oct 14, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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