NBA Players
With all of the talk going on about
Quick, what makes a good NBA player?
Obviously talent is the base, and that talent can take many forms. However, as long as some kind of talent is there, it’s not necessarily the determining factor in whether (and how much) you get to play in this league. Scoring 20 points in a game is cool, but not in itself that impressive. Probably 350 of the 450-odd NBA players should be able to score 20 points once in a blue moon, given the chance. It’s not a good defensive showing or a Sportscenter highlight either. What makes you a player in this league is simple: consistency. Your spikes make the news, but your baseline gets you off the pines and between the lines.
Unless you get pretty lucky with your timing (as with the late, great Herm Gilliam in the ’77 Conference Finals) it’s unlikely that your Big Spike is going to coincide with the team’s Important Moment. Witness all of these guys pulling out impressive games during the pre-season. It shows that the potential is there, but potential unrealized doesn’t add up to anything but regrets and frustration. In those Important Moments (and in some ways every regular season game becomes one) coaches are going to go with guys on whom they can rely. Now that Isiah Thomas has been relieved of his duties, your reputation in this league is built up over months at least, if not years. It’s certainly not determined by a single game or even a hot week. If I’m coaching the Trail Blazers right now and I’m aiming for a playoff seed, I know my bread and butter consists of Lamarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, and Greg Oden. When I choose players to play alongside them I’m going to take the guy who gives me a bankable 13 and 6 plus decent defense every night over the guy who might give me 20 but might give me 3. If I need the 20, I can channel extra attempts into Lamarcus and Brandon. The potential gain of giving big minutes to Random Inexperienced Guy is less than the potential loss.
When the counted games start, don’t be surprised to see guys like Channing Frye, Martell Webster, and of course Steve Blake and Joel Przybilla take up the lion’s share of the minutes. Rudy Fernandez looks pretty consistent already and he’ll have no trouble earning minutes. Sergio might be headed that way but we need more data (preferably in real games) to be sure. Significant action for any of these other guys is a ways off yet…or at least it’s a long-shot that Nate would call their names. They don’t have the track record of consistency even in pre-season, let alone in the actual league. It'll take a while for them to prove that they belong.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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paging steve blake. PLEASE COME IN. steve. steve? steve.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 12, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
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What did Travis do to you?
Seriously though, this’ll be on Nate. There are a ton of guys on this team that can go off for huge stretches all by themselves. It’ll be his job putting the right guy in at the right time. Once a couple of our fringe stars start doing these things consistently Nate’s job won’t be any harder than your average MLB manager. That is to say he’ll basically just be an overseer, plugging in an occasional hole.
by as11osu on
Oct 12, 2008 11:39 PM PDT
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At what point does Travis become nervous ...
about Nicolas Batum? He appears a little more consistent, and pays attention to some things that Travis doesn’t, like defense. Granted it’s preseason, but young Batum is showing us something, is he not? Is that not what this post is referring to?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on
Oct 13, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
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As far as I understood Nate on Courtside, he looks into Batum as his backup small forward (mostly out of need due to Martell's injury)
They knew he could play or they would have left him in Europe for a few years, and Nate is probably as happy as anybody that he seems to come along much earlier than expected. That said, he still calls him “awfully young” and hints at Travis or a Rudy-Roy combo as his starting lineup. Same for Shavlik (S-Bo?). One and a half nice games, but even if he makes the roster that doesn’t mean Nate would use him over Channing or Travis at PF in a regular season game right now.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on
Oct 13, 2008 3:31 AM PDT
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Agree if S-bo (I'll roll with it) is even signed he probably in street clothes when Martell gets healthy.
An insurance policy, and potentially more upside than say Ike, who has an 8th draft pick in the 4th year contract. Ike will probably be keeping RLEC company if retained and he doesn’t show more than he has to date.
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by G_dubs on
Oct 13, 2008 4:34 AM PDT
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And according to Mike Barrett, here is one more reason why he gets this close look in pre-season
They chart the winning percentages of the players involved in those pick-up games and the player who had the best winning percentage of anyone on the team- better than Roy, better than Oden, better than Aldridge, was Batum.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on
Oct 13, 2008 6:34 AM PDT
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Succinct, Norsktroll, very succinct.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 13, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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Hey, there you go
a stat that has it’s merit…..Compare it to the NHL +/- stat and you have a true measure of a players effect on the floor…..Hope the Blazers don’t get too far away from simple observation, when the players are on the floor and flowing as a team….I know what I saw when certain players were on the floor….
You can have patience and still play the players that get it done…… consistency…….this is the next level for the Blazers ……….. An ill-advised jumper from a bad angle is no different than throwing the ball in the seats on a fast break…..But, as a fan, I’d rather see the turnover…..Knowing that getting to the next level, is also the ability to get easy hoops….Keying off good defense and solid fundamental rebounding ….and the kid, Batum is in the news
by 67 on
Oct 13, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
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Shando
(or Shandolph) is better than S-bo imho. I always thought Zach should have been Zando
Shando the Magnificent – if he ever turns into anything like a magician/illusionist/whatever.
It's time to retire Terry Porter's jersey. Please!
by jorga on
Oct 13, 2008 7:25 AM PDT
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I like Shando
Reminds me of Hondo.
“Hondo” – what could be better than a movie written by the greatest western author of all time (Louis LaMour), starring John Wayne (the greatest western actor of all time, with apologies to Jimmy Stewart, Glen Ford, Gary Cooper and a few others).
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by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
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One quibble
Statistically, Herm didn’t have his best year in 1976-7. However, he was the key to Game 2 against LA in the Conference Finals.
http://www.databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=GILLIHE01
Lord knows I love me some Gilliam. He was a great player and a really nice guy – he didn’t yell at me at all when I knocked over part of his rail fence.
by DonkeyShins on
Oct 13, 2008 8:44 AM PDT
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Yeah, that was the point
Not that Herm was great for long stretches, just that he hit his Big Game at the Right Time, which doesn’t always happen.
—Dave
by Dave on
Oct 13, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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OK.
Then the comment makes total sense. Apologies for questioning your logic.
by DonkeyShins on
Oct 13, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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Batum's defense...
…will likely be enough to get him spot minutes even if Webster and Outlaw get the majority of the SF minutes ahead of him. That is, he does seem consistent enough (at least during pre-season) to merit time down the road in games that matter.
One of the things I really have enjoyed about Phil Jackson’s coaching, especially with the Bulls, is that he tends to use more guys more regularly than most other coaches. He develops and uses specialists with enough regularity that they’re ready to go when called on. While I appreciate McMillan’s point about the benefits of a tighter rotation, this team is so deep that I hope he figures out a way to fairly consistently use 10+ guys during at least the first half or so of the season.
by Shawno on
Oct 13, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Good one Dave,
but I find it interesting that Bayless’ name didn’t even grace this piece at all. It seems like yesterday that everyone was clamoring that Bayless would have taken the starting job within weeks of the season starting. Now I agree that this is unreasonable for an unproven rookie but
Significant action for any of these other guys is a ways off yet…or at least it’s a long-shot that Nate would call their names.
is a rough way of putting it for the young fella. I hope, if he sees very little to no time, this motivates him positively and not the opposite.
Word.
by joelor on
Oct 13, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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Joel
could score 20 any day of the week in this league (but mostly on nights when the Blazers don’t play), they just don’t run plays for him.
by MavetheGreat on
Oct 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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Have to respect experience (to a point) or you will wreck morale
There are multiple reasons why Batum shouldn’t start, and multiple other acceptable combinations.
Reason 1:
I don’t think you can put him in over Outlaw on day one, just based on Trout having a bad pre-season. He’s been around long enough, and shown enough, that putting Batum in would be, understandably, taken as a major insult. Some competition is good, but you also have to feel the organization believes in you to play with confidence.
Reason 2:
Does anyone remember how spectacular Segie Monia was during pre-season a few years ago? Nate then started him in the regular season and he wasn’t anywhere near ready for real NBA games. His confidence was then shot, and he never recovered. Batum needs to be gently eased into all aspects of the NBA life, on and off the court.
by hoopla-pdx on
Oct 13, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
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A nod to Travis
As much as I like what I’ve seen from Batum, the start should go to Travis. Just a humble opinion. It could even be Brandon so Travis can come off the bench. I say this even though I voted for Batum to start. I got caught up in the excitement, and it is just a fun little insider poll anyway.
Anyway, the whole point about consistency is true, and is makes the loss of Martell even more unfortunate, since that’s what he was really trying to improve. I am no more a Martell fan than anyone else. All things being equal (rarely ever are), I like the guy who put in the extra work to see some reward for all of that work over the one who coasts. It’s an attitude. So stay in shape Martell and hurry back.
This isn't the Lakers,...
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by GameFace on
Oct 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
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Upside is what makes a good NBA player.
That is why I am always for replacing a proven player with a rookie.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 13, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
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I dont see Batum
Being a fragile mental health guy who will into a tail spin if he has a bad game,He was playing with adults when JB was dominating high school kids and knows that rooks sit on the bench a lot.I worry more about JB’s adjustment to being a role player instead of the man.
by southern oregon on
Oct 13, 2008 6:19 PM PDT
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You don't go far enough
We should also trade our rookies for future draft picks.
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by jscot on
Oct 14, 2008 3:25 AM PDT
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Oh man
Good idea. We’d never lose a game in the future.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 14, 2008 4:30 AM PDT
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