Blazers 80 Jazz 93: The Preseason Trudges Along
No Brandon, No LaMarcus, No Rudy, No Martell, No Channing, No Steve. Other than that, this afternoon's scrimmage against the Jazz featured all sorts of great action. In today's bizarro world, Greg was the only one of our original projected opening night starters that actually played. Could anyone have guessed that 3 weeks ago?
The team has this entire week to lick its wounds and get some serious practice time in, and it's a good thing. Not that much could have been expected from the tatters of our lineup tonight against a Jazz team that featured both Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer, but there were definitely some areas that could use some correction: offense, defense and turnovers among them.
Some brief thoughts:
Nic Batum: greatest small forward ever, or THE greatest small forward ever? He won his position against Andrei Kirilenko tonight, hands down. When those two get together it's like 18 feet worth of arms. Anyway, given the size of their contracts, it must have made the brain trust smile to see Batum do what he was doing. Nic shut him down, stayed with him, out-worked him and contested every shot, except one alley-oop dunk in which he got fooled on a back cut. Also, when guarding Korver, Batum unveiled a vet's trick (no doubt taught to him by Monty) of grabbing KK's back while coming off a screen. Ref couldn't see it so it didn't happen. Nic you're a quick study. The radio guys are pushing for him to start in lieu of Martell's injury and Travis's comfort in leading the bench unit. That is a longer-than-long shot but there's a poll at the bottom so that you can vote on this.
Sergio did better than expected against D-Will. He did sail one pass into a pack of Jerry Sloan's friends near the beginning of the game, and he did get his pocket picked clean for an and-one layup during the 2nd half. Otherwise he was solid. Especially given the talent that was surrounding him tonight. He is tracking nicely into the backup point guard slot. How many minutes that spot gets once the season starts, well, we'll have to wait and see.
Bayless is dealing with the cold reality of being a rookie. The player on media day who said that he wasn't afraid of anyone is not the same player who found himself sitting on the ground at the end of the team's bench tonight, frustrated look fixed on his face. He was in full-on predator mode on the court tonight; Dick Bavetta, you're lucky to be alive. We all are.
Random Game Notes:
-- UW coach Lorenzo Romar was in the building, sitting about 8 rows in front of us. His daughter and wife have the exact same haircut. Literally, exactly the same. Awk-ward.
-- Rumor has it that at least one important member of the Blazers brain trust is solidly in Shavlik Randolph's corner. Quick has already reported that Nate has hinted that Steven Hill will be the guy at spot #15. Don't call it a chasm. With 43 power forwards on the roster and only 2 centers, it still seems like the safe money is on Hill. But, I guess this can continue to be a debate...
-- Shavlik fun facts... he is named after his grandfather who was also a big time basketball player... His brother is named Dexter... He wears #42 because his grandfather wore #84... so that's like half, right? I see what you did there, Shav. At least you didn't go square root on me.
-- Is Sergio rubbing off on Jerryd? After an airball, Jerryd looked down at both of his hands in disbelief.
-- Travis finally found his jumper, thank goodness. It must have been hiding from his green car.
-- On the plus side, Jerryd and parents did convene the first meeting of the Blazers Sartorial Club (name pending) with team President Larry Miller after the game tonight. No two people in the organization floss harder than those two. Tonight, Jerryd's shoes appeared to be Italian leather and are worth more than my life.
-- Ike Diogu. You're killing me.
-- Nate was a little bit terse at the post-game session today, answering questions with a slight annoyance to his voice that normally isn't there. I know I get pretty antsy whenever Brandon isn't around too, so I understand and sympathize.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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At this point I'm in favor of Batum.
He has been surprisingly consistent on defense. That would be a slower paced, good defensive line up. It may not be as exciting as option 1 but I like it.
by Bskey on
Oct 12, 2008 7:22 PM PDT
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Give us Batuuuuuum
and if all else fails, bring in Outlaw to start. And if that fails, bump Broy to the 3 spot.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on
Oct 12, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
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I would be more comfortable with Roy starting at the three.
I read somewhere that if you take calculate Roy’s height, reach, and vertical he actually plays more like someone who is 6’7. I think he would do really well at the three. Plus, can you imagine the ball movement that would come along with having Roy, Rudy and Blake all on the floor? It would be like a passing clinic.
I think the thing that Batum has really shown us is that Outlaw is probably expendable once Webster comes back. This team REALY lacks perimeter defense. So much so that even a slightly above average defender like Batum seems like a dream come true. We need a perimeter defender. I don’t know if Batum is the answer, but I know that Outlaw is not.
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by Winchester on
Oct 12, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
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Now wait a minute
Batum was playing GREAT defense today. I was at that game and it’s the best perimeter Defense I’ve seen since (gulp) Ruben “KobeStoppa” Patterson. Mind you I hated Patterson but that guy could really defend. Batum played excellent defense tonight and if he is able to show ANYTHING like that on a consistent basis you have to consider starting him. Regardless of whether he starts he will be a real asset down the road no doubt about it.
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by Idog1976 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:02 PM PDT
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+1
Batum will be the answer…sooner than people think…he is the real deal…Outlaw is what he is and that will prove itself out and end up with something to be desired …. …And for Webster …Can’t really count him in either…If he comes back, in jan.09, it will take him a month to get timing and conditioning back…and then it will take who knows how long to get him back to contributing to the team….it will be tough emotionally for him to get it together this year…Batum may be the guy by then…Tough luck for Web (it looked like he was ready this year)…but we gotta move on
by 67 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
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I just think you don't want to get in the habit of playing your best player out of position
no matter what the situation…unless it’s like….OH NO WE HAVE TO START RLEC AT SMALL FORWARD….then i’d rather leave brandon in his position where he can work his magic.
Having blake + rudy is a big defensive liability.
Brandon would have to play bigger guys then him
Greg and Joel would pick up more fouls
Our defense, as a whole, would be less effective.
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by prezofdeath on
Oct 13, 2008 12:05 AM PDT
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I tend to agree but..
If the ball movement that would come along with having Roy, Rudy and Blake all on the floor, It would be like a passing clinic. How would it be if, instead of Blake, you replaced him by Sergio?
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 4:14 AM PDT
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Batum
When the final book on the 2008 NBA draft is written, it may well turn out that the day’s savviest deal was not Pritchard’s sleight-of-hand that brought Bayless to Portland.
Rather, it might end up being the nifty little maneuver in which the Blazers traded up with Houston to snag Batum out from under San Antonio’s nose. Recall that the Spurs were playing some crafty little games of their own in an effort to ensure that the Frenchman would fall to them at the 26th pick. With Batum’s stock dropping due to rumors of possible heart problems, the Spurs were reportedly hoarding a medical report that gave him a clean bill of health. Despite all of that, Pritchard moved up to 25 to steal Batum away from the Spurs – a move that went mostly unnoticed except by many Blazer fans who were incensed that he traded away the rights to Darrell Arthur and Joey Dorsey to make it happen.
If the preseason is any barometer, the Spurs’ scouts look to have identified another gem from overseas. But while R.C. Buford & Co. had their eyes squarely on the prize, they neglected to notice that their erstwhile colleague, Kevin Pritchard, had his eyes on the same target and was peeking over their shoulder as well.
by knickfan on
Oct 12, 2008 9:37 PM PDT
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It's only the preseason, but
I like the idea of Batum starting. I like the fit better than any of the other combinations. I like Travis being the man off the bench. We’re going up against a tough schedule early, I don’t think the difference between Outlaw/Rudy vs. Batum in the starting lineup costs us any of those games. And I think putting Batum out there will really help his game in the long run or hopefully, by the end of this year.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
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by Magnum on
Oct 12, 2008 7:22 PM PDT
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Utah's open game thread only had four posts,
and one was from a Blazer fan. We had almost 700.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on
Oct 12, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
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If Tom had posted there
they would have had 500 ….and he would be banned
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by 92wastheyear on
Oct 12, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
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Their hole team
Gets lest posts than you?
by southern oregon on
Oct 12, 2008 7:38 PM PDT
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It's true
I get more hits than the Jazz…..yay me!!
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by 92wastheyear on
Oct 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
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Dont say I didnt warn you
This kid has game and is the answer at the 3.
by southern oregon on
Oct 12, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
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I'm starting to agree
S.O. I’m starting to agree…
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by Idog1976 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
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It looked to me like
Jerryd thought the airball slipped out of his hands. (Or wanted to pretend it did.) After his incredulous look, he “dried” his hand on his shorts. Who knows.
by Section323 on
Oct 12, 2008 7:47 PM PDT
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I like the Tommy Boy reference
about Bayles’ shoes!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on
Oct 12, 2008 7:51 PM PDT
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Batum is a great fit....maybe
Nic is seeming to come into his own both on defense and in the flow of the offense. Though he was the leading scorer for the Blazers tonight, he passed up several good looks (that Travis would have taken) in order to pass the ball and get others involved. He seems to want to play a more team-oriented game than some of the others (talkin’ bout you #25). I was impressed with his willingness to get in the face of his opponent and not back down. Yes, he’s a rook, and a young one at that, but he’s got moxie!
I was also surprised at the ineffectiveness of Sergio. I know that Ben said he held his own, but I thought he stunk. Yes, he ran the ball up the court, but then he proceeded to pound the air out of it. When he did think to pass, he struggled to get the ball inside to the big guys. It seemed as if he rarely passed to his first option. The more I see and hear of him, the more I think we need to cut bait. Maybe dangle RLEC and Sergio for the missing piece (whatever that may be).
by BlazerHomer on
Oct 12, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
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re: sergio, keep in mind he was playing against deron williams. also, it’s a two way street when it comes to completing a pass.
it’s a lot easier to complete a pass to your starters playing in their familiar positions than it is to bench players still learning where to be.
did i ever think i’d find myself defending sergio? no. no, i didn’t.
when it comes to flipping RLEC, you need to get a 1 or a 3 back. if you get a 1 back, sergio can go. if you get a 3 back, it’s hard to include sergio because if blake goes down we are in serious trouble. this wouldn’t be the case if bayless was playing to expectations, but he’s not.
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by Ben. on
Oct 12, 2008 8:00 PM PDT
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Mmmm, true.
Rudy, Roy, LMA, and Martell all have some idea by now of what Sergio might do with the rock when he’s got it.
These new guys aren’t used to it – and Sergio’s passing style DOES take some getting used to.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on
Oct 12, 2008 9:32 PM PDT
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I think Bayless is playing to expectations. What was wrong is the time schedule to realize expectations for a 19 years old coming from a no-profesional league and playing the most difficult position to learn.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on
Oct 13, 2008 2:06 AM PDT
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VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY TRUE
I would add that playing PG is the most difficult position in basketball. To make matters worst, he is not a real PG yet, so imagine how tough is to him.
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 6:30 AM PDT
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It's also tough on JB
because he believed he was a “natural” point guard. How he internalizes this will either make him or break him.
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by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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What does a guy gotta do around here...
I was also surprised at the ineffectiveness of Sergio.
Really? Ineffectiveness of Sergio? After Batum, Sergio was our next most effective player out there today. 9 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 5 steals. Most of that versus one of the very best PG’s in the world. I guess when it comes to opinions on players around here, its not so much about what they do on the court, but rather, what you said about that player in the past.
If Batum can become even half of what Tayshaun Prince currently is, we’ll be set at the 3 for the foreseeable future. I know a lot of people, myself included talked about how it was going to take him time to become “NBA ready”, but honestly, the skills that are important to us from the small forward, he already has down. He’d be one of our best defenders immediately, and if he can run in transition and make the 3 point shot at even a remotely decent clip, he’s ready day one. Travis… its time to figure out the “team” concept… your time is running out.
Jerryd Bayless should be ahead of this. I penciled him in as the backup PG to begin the season, and really thought the only thing stopping him from supplanting Blake as the starter was time. He needs to figure out his role. If he’s going to be that Monta Ellis/Leandro Barbosa type of guy, he needs to get out there and do it. Those guys realize they’re not PG’s, and they act accordingly. This is going to be one of those things I probably bring up repeatedly, but it has to be said. For Bayless to maximize what he does, he has to play alongside Brandon Roy. Every weakness he has, not being able to run an offense, not being able to defend the 2, not knowing when to take his shot, is covered by one player. When Jerryd plays with other guys, he’s going to have a devil of a time fitting into the scheme. Golden State had this figured out because of Baron Davis, a player big enough to defend 2’s while being the teams PG, and PHX had it figured out by essentially playing a different style of defense (based on turnovers). If Jerryd is going to thrive here, its going to be because Brandon Roy makes it happen.
by as11osu on
Oct 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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"Every weakness he has, not being able to run an offense, not being able to defend the 2, not knowing when to take his shot,.."
The guy has been out of high school 1 year. He’s practiced with the team about 3 weeks. He’s played in four pre season scrimmages.
How many years – years – did it take Steve Nash to reach his potential?
We really need to take some deep breaths before we start deciding what players will or won’t accomplish for the rest of their careers.
by raoulduke on
Oct 12, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
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The kid has been playing basketball his whole life
Steve Nash started out with an innate ability to run an offense. Obviously all players need time to attain their true potential, but its not like all of a sudden Steve Nash just became this world beater. Steve Nash for example came into the league a poor defender. All these many years later, he’s still among the worst defenders in the league. Players come into the league with a certain fingerprint. Skills they have, and skills they don’t have.
Jerryd Bayless is starting on the opposite side of the spectrum. His ability to run an NBA offense doesn’t begin at good. Running an offense isn’t on his NBA fingerprint. A players strengths are his strengths, and his weaknesses are his weaknesses. In the NBA for the most part, to be in the league you’ve got to be elite at multiple traits. Jerryd is, but lets not confuse that fact, with what type of player he is. Bayless is elite at penetrating the lane, finishing strong, getting free throws and shooting wide open jumpers (he’s actually very good at this). All of these things make him a potentially All-Star level NBA player. What they do not make him is a floor general. It just so happens, the player he is, fits in quite nicely with a core group of players already on the team.
Ideally, he’ll be starting next to Brandon Roy… the problem is going to be his ascension into that position. He’s probably not going to excel in his initial roles because of the type of player he is. That said, I want him to be, and think he would make a good starting guard next to B-Roy… eventually.
by as11osu on
Oct 12, 2008 9:23 PM PDT
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* sigh...
Steve Nash started out with an innate ability to run an offense. Obviously all players need time to attain their true potential, but its not like all of a sudden Steve Nash just became this world beater. Steve Nash for example came into the league a poor defender. All these many years later, he’s still among the worst defenders in the league. Players come into the league with a certain fingerprint. Skills they have, and skills they don’t have.
He started with the innate ability to run an offense? Really , use some numbers to substantiate that please. What does your opening statement really mean? When did he start this innate ability to run the offense? Birth? When he 1st picked up a basketball? In college? You mean to imply he didnt have any coaching as to how to run an offense? Come on, he had to learn it somehow right?
Obviously Nash didn’t just become a world beater he had coaching, teaching , learning and practice to do. Thanks for proving your own point wrong?
I wonder if his poor defense has anything to do with DiAntoni as his coach and pretty much living and dying by the "run and gun score 115 ppg " offense and never really focused on defense. I bet if Nash played for say, Nate, he would be a better defender.
The statement you make to conclude the paragraph is partly true, but you are getting into nature v. nurture type stuff here. What IS a basketball player born with? What skills are he better at ? Just because a player is better at one skill set does not mean he cannot improve on another, ya digg?
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by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 13, 2008 10:23 PM PDT
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You're both right.
Nash was twice the West Coast Player of the Year in college. He already had the brains and skills to do well in the NBA. He really just needed the opportunity, which he got when he played for the Mavs. But he and other players do have strengths and weaknesses. Like anyone in any endeavor, hard work can make you successful if not phenomenal.
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by MiledAnimal on
Oct 14, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
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And his surrounding cast at AZ wasn't the strongest.
If he had played a set-others-up game there, it’d have been clank city.
He needs time to adjust to playing with his equals and betters before he can be Blake-ish by nature.
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by QualityPie on
Oct 12, 2008 9:34 PM PDT
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thx as110su
I read his post and thought “What game was he watching?!” Sergio with his ineffective 5 steals and game leading 8 assists. Glad to know at least one other person saw the same game i saw.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
by sergioFTW on
Oct 12, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
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Agreed too
I didn’t watch he game but if Sergio can deliver consistently 9 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds and 5 steals while making his team wins more than 60% of games played, I would say he would be the starting PG.
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 6:38 AM PDT
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Stats can be misleading
especially assists. I didn’t actually get to see this game, but going through the play-by-play I see that 1 of Sergio’s assists was a layup on a fast break, one was a hook shot, and 6 were on 16ft+ jumpers. Compare that with Rudy’s debut against the Kings where he only ended up with 5 assists but all of them were dunks. Sergio’s 8 assists might seem better at first glance, but in reality Rudy’s 5 assists were probably more valuable because he set up teammates for easier shots.
As I said before, I didn’t see this game so I can’t say for sure how effective Sergio was at running the offense, but it is definitely something that can’t be measured very accurately just by counting assists. There are some situations where a player can end up with a lot of assists without running the team very well and without creating many easy shots for his teammates.
by trk on
Oct 12, 2008 10:11 PM PDT
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stats aren't misleading
BUT they don’t show the full picture, it is ture. What they don’t show is he had FOUR excellent passes inside to people who got fouled trying to dunk it and netting 8 free-throws—he got no assist stat for those, but they are just as important. Also he hit Randolph twice on nice drive-and dishes to get him wide-open 15 foot jumpshots that he missed both times. What I’m saying is, Sergio could have easily, very easily had 3-6 more assists.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
by sergioFTW on
Oct 13, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
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I don't think
the Blazers have ever thought that Outlaw or Webster is their man at the 3 (or will become the man) . There has never been anything consistent in either of their play…just flashes…That is why they did not hesitate in signing Batum this summer….they saw something in this kid and he’s hasn’t disappointed anybody so far….. if he scores some points, it’s just an added bonus….He has all the tools…I’ve seen him play twice and he is a pleasure to watch….
by 67 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
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It's funny that the two positions that we lack, SF and PG, are two of the easiest to fill.
I mean, Matt Barnes just signed a cheap one year deal with Phoenix for crying out loud. How hard is it to find a decent roll playing small forward in this league?
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by Winchester on
Oct 12, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
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The Blazers already have role players at small forward.
Matt Barnes doesn’t do anything that can’t be done by Travis Outlaw or a healthy Martell Webster; thus, that’s not the issue here. Instead, Kevin Pritchard should consolidate the team’s talent at small foward.
In theory, that could be accomplished by turning Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract — along with either Outlaw or Webster, as well as maybe even Jerryd Bayless — into a top-of-the-line starter at the wing to play alongside Brandon Roy.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 10:51 PM PDT
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exactly ,getting a veteran player
at the 3 should be in their minds (it has to be)…Even if is just a 2 or 3 year deal for a proven player that Batum can play behind…Clearly the obstacle to the playoffs is at the 3…Web is broken and even if he wasn’t, you trade him for a solid 3 and you’ve gained a lot more than you lost Outlaw the same, and easier to deal, Diogu?Bayless,Sergio? …it’s a simple law of deduction….what are your needs, who can fill those needs, and what players are expendable to get you what you need….
by 67 on
Oct 12, 2008 11:24 PM PDT
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You really think Batum will take a 2 or 3 years????
Look up the recent posting of his interview.
He’s shooting for next year. I think he is on target.
by spencerbutte on
Oct 13, 2008 12:59 AM PDT
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Not sure
I read the interview and it does show he has a great mindset….His play, so far, has been very promising. But he would benefit from having a good player to play behind…it would take a lot of pressure off him as well….He has been somewhat of a surprise (by looking to be more ready than projected)…he certainly has thrown another equation into the mix at the 3 spot
by 67 on
Oct 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
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Why do people always want to play at being GM?
Do you guys seriously think you can do a better job than Pritchard? Instead of telling us your thoughts on how you would improve our team, how about just sitting back and enjoying the show.
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by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
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Wow, Did you write this?
I sometimes think that if Pritchard could have a do-over…
… it would be to have re-signed Ime.
WE ARE NOT THAT SERIOUS IN HERE…WE HAVE SOME FUN AND SOMETIMES WE SAY THINGS JUST TO GET COMMENTS FROM OTHER FANS…..LIKE YOU ….SO WHAT WE SAY IN HERE DOESN’T PREVENT ANYONE FROM ENJOYING THE SHOW…..THIS IS JUST IDLE CHATTER BETWEEN THE MAIN EVENTS…..DON’T YOU, BE SO SERIOUS
by 67 on
Oct 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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You are right. I'm not the blog police.
But I for one get tired of posts talking about how we need to trade this guy or that Outlaw doesn’t fit, lets trade him, or we need -- fill in the blank -- maybe Raef, Segio, Webster and whomever should be traded to get him, or lets get that veteran guy, or what do you think of this neat trade I just ginned up on the trade tracker.
It’s just my opinion, but that sort of stuff is sort of the elementary phase on being a BE fan. If people were not attracted to the junior GM role then fantasy leagues wouldn’t exist. But after a while I want to see interesting discussion about the team and the players (with an occasional aside into how Tom’s nuts are doing). Talk about trades in the preseason just strikes me as absurd. Halfway into the season with the trade deadline on the horizon makes sense. Because then we have something to go on with regard to performance and trades become a real possibility. But now – I just don’t see it.
Besides, I challenge anybody to name one player who is a) better than who we have now on the roster AND b) realistically available. At best you are talking about a guy to challenge Hill, Jackson and Randolph for a seat at the end of the Blazer’s bench.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 12:30 PM PDT
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+1
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 13, 2008 3:03 PM PDT
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trade talk
whether you like it or not, is part of the NBA…. It does get discussed out of reality in the fan circles, and I don’t read most of the exuberant ones…..If I do read and think it’s ridiculous, I let it go…..it’s not worth arguing over a difference of opinion or whether it’s logical or not…
Over the last few years the Blazers have a history of not trading players during the season/preseason and I don’t expect that to change, But to think there is not any thought about possibilities, would be underestimating KP….You always leave the door open to try and make your team better. Sometimes the options are not the best available, but you still may need to make them. Having a need is not the same as getting a player to fill that need. (other teams will keep their good players or ask too much for them, so landing a blue chip player is not likely) but KP pulls things off and this can contribute to trade talk among fans.
If the people in here want to play around with that, it doesn’t hurt a thing and shouldn’t bother you so much….everyone in here has their agenda for discussion, but you can choose to ignore it if ruffles your feathers.
by 67 on
Oct 13, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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I think what Timg56 was getting at
Is due to Trader Bob, a lot of Portland fans are almost bigger fans of trade then they are of the actual team. I think I need to lump the draft in there as well, even though Bob is not to blame for the fans love of the draft. Trade and draft fans think they are a cure all and often fail to look at the big picture.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
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Oct 14, 2008 2:39 AM PDT
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there is, and always will be
a difference of opinion on what people want to talk about….. and nothing wrong with that…I would rather not make a point of it, because some people can’t offer opinions without making rude, personal remarks ( even though the merit for the remarks is always personally assuming)
by 67 on
Oct 14, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
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No point guard is going to look good if he has only scrubs
to go to. Sergio had several steals and played decent defense on one of the best points in the league.
If Blake goes down with a long term injury – say the way Martell did – our PG situation will look thin and bleak if sergio gets traded.
by raoulduke on
Oct 12, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
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hey wow. look at us saying the same thing at the same time.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 12, 2008 8:00 PM PDT
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Actually I was a minute sooner....
And about 50 words more concise, but who’s counting?
by raoulduke on
Oct 12, 2008 8:06 PM PDT
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I wish you guys would stop repeating yourselves
I wish I could stop repeating myself.
by southern oregon on
Oct 12, 2008 8:03 PM PDT
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Refs called a very very tight game for both sides
Made it boring. Bayless got no respect at all. The Blaze video was funny with the Jazz monster.
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Oct 12, 2008 8:05 PM PDT
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Travis indicated in Quick's long article on him
that he wants to start and be a star in this league. If Nic is really outplaying him, rocky shoals ahead…
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 12, 2008 8:08 PM PDT
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Well
I was at the game today. Considering that todays starting five was totally different than last year, and its preseason blazers did fine. When Batum went down I was about to rip the seat out, but I looked around and there was allot of intelligent fans so I cooled down. Oden is not there yet and it might take 2-3 months before he gets in shape and starts to act faster when he gets the ball. He looks like he travels allot. I like Batum he is good defender. Sergio is getting better too, and no he is not getting traded soon cuz Bayless is still a rookie. I hope our starters can play next game to get a feel for each other before the regular season starts.
by RipCity on
Oct 12, 2008 8:15 PM PDT
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Haven't been able to watch any games
but I’m curious to learn people’s insights into why Oden’s rebounding numbers have seemed somewhat underwhelming.
In fact, looking at today’s box score, I found it rather surprising that he got so badly outrebounded by Fesenko. I mean the big Russian dude is supposed to be completely raw and far less NBA-ready than Greg. Yet somehow he managed 10 pts & 10 boards to Oden’s 6 pts & 6 rebounds in the same number of minutes.
Like I said, I haven’t been able to actually see one minute of Oden in action so I have no idea why he’s not snagging more boards than I’d think he should be. Is it due to rust or a lack of conditioning? Is he being consistently boxed out? I’d be interested to read some eyewitness feedback on this.
by knickfan on
Oct 12, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
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I think he is trying to avoid fouls
that is just my sense…the most boards he does get are on the offesive end….and usually end in a dunk or free throws
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on
Oct 12, 2008 8:30 PM PDT
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This what it looks like to me
Oden is not very active. He’s a big guy, but he’s not actively going for the rebound. Most of the time he has his man behind him, but I could see times where he would be out of position going for a block or a quicker guy going around him. I think it’s mostly due to his conditioning, hopefully it’ll come around and he’ll be more active on the boards. Adding his total rebounds so far he is averaging 10.8 Rebounds per 36 min. That’s not too bad. It’s not as good as Joel’s rebound rate, but I think it’s alright considering Oden is still getting his legs back.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on
Oct 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
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Jazz doubled up the Blazers in rebounding
Nobody rebounded well. Plus this game was sloppy. Tons of bad shots. Lots of times people would get 3 or 4 rebounds on the same possession just mob of people tipping the ball. That being said Fesenko looked very very good today.
by Sabonis4Ever on
Oct 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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He's been swimming and lifting weights for a year.
I think he’ll be fine after he runs off about 15 pounds and gets a month or two of honest to god cardio on the basketball court. And whether he talks about it or not, he’d be inhuman if he wasn’t still testing his knee.
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Oct 12, 2008 8:56 PM PDT
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My observations
We got there early enough to watch Roy shooting free throw after free throw (I didn’t say making them) while Aldridge was shooting jumpers from just inside the three-point line. Then Brandon talked for a long time with someone on the edge of the court in jeans & white shirt who looked (from my distant view) sort of familiar but I couldn’t name. All the Utah players who were still out shooting would slap at his hand as they left for the locker room. Can anyone tell me who it was?
Roy returned to the bench in warmups but Aldridge switched to coat & jeans and sat on the end of the bench next to Oden the entire game. Rudy was in back behind the bench looking pretty spiffy and he stayed for the entire game (Roy did not.) Blake & Frye were together down by the coaches for the whole game and were often the first on the court to greet the players coming off the floor. There were too many players for the bench to hold so someone was often on the floor. I saw Bayless and Randolph both down there (to the floor, rookie!) and saw Travis in front of the bench and he waited until Hill moved to the floor and made a couple of other guys move down so he could sit next to Oden. I’ve never seen a player make others move so he could sit in a certain place.
I was glad to see Travis make a couple of good shots and Greg make a couple of good blocks, but the one that caught my attention was Nic – I really like that kid. I simply can’t see Bayless as a point guard which makes an incredible logjam at the 2 – but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and be patient. Sergio was OK which is a whole lot better than awful. Once after returning to the bench Rudy cuffed the side of his head. The Joel-Sergio hug after a made shot was funny.
I just read knickfan’s post above (welcome back!) and it seems to me that Greg is just out there moving around and not really playing. Almost like he’s expecting his size to be enough. Sometimes it is and that’s funny when I player comes up against him and realizes there is absolutely no place to go. But I’m wondering if he needs some more schooling in fundamentals. You know how it is, sometimes a really talented kid goes far on natural ability, but once they reach the NBA they are lost because suddenly their size or quickness or whatever no longer packs the punch it does at lower levels.
It's time to retire Terry Porter's jersey. Please!
by jorga on
Oct 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
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I have always loved you, and in this moment, I love you more than I can say.
Best comment ever!
Oden is just underwhelmed by the competition. He will, on three, “1-2-3-DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!!!”
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 12, 2008 9:23 PM PDT
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The 15th spot
At what point do we make the move to cut Diogu and keep both Randolph and Hill? If Ike is really as bad as he’s been playing I think if I’m KP I go for it.
by danielfarrell on
Oct 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
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Diogu is better than Steven Hill.
by Cablinasian on
Oct 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
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But Hill is 7 FT
This would give him the nod over Randolph but probably not Diogu….(still don’t know what we have with him yet) If it was me, I would take Hill and Randolph they just seem to be a better fit than Diogu
by 67 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
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Steven Hill reminds me of a ...
raw, shaggy-haired Radoslav Nesterovic. Similarly to Nesterovic, Hill isn’t a proficient rebounder; yet, Ă la Rasho, the scruffy bastard is an outstanding man-to-man interior defender and apt shot blocker who gets excellent position in the low-post whenever manning up against his opponent. It’s that type of blue-collar, workmanlike play that’ll give Hill a place in the NBA.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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I'm with you
They almost have to sign Hill or someone else will…..I appreciate the hard working players…..which is why I don’t see much in Outlaw…He’s missing the work ethic (among other things)
by 67 on
Oct 12, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
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Ike has had a few good games, hasn’t he? I like his post moves
by 50backflips on
Oct 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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I like Randolph's post moves better
Shavlik has a nice drop step-through move that reminded me of Kevin McHale
(plus, Randolph can play some D, Ike…not so much)
But KP traded for Diogu so I suspect he’ll get the nod
I won’t mind if Randolph makes the roster instead of Hill (it would be nice to hear Quick explaining that turn-of-events…) but there’s 2 reasons why Steven of Nazareth makes the team
1. Joel Przybilla doesn’t want to be Greg Oden’s daily tackling dummy, and
2. LaMarcus Aldridge doesn’t want to play center, ever again.
Ever
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Oct 12, 2008 9:04 PM PDT
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Neither LaMarcus Aldridge nor Channing Frye ...
should ever again play center, as they each lack an effective low-post game on both sides of the court.
I also don’t think that Frye should attempt to play small forward, but that’s an altogether different topic.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:33 PM PDT
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Diogu was the Fred Jones of that trade
I don’t actually think the Blazers got a trade exception. I just think that the Bayless trade was fair. Think about it. Think about it…
What does that say about Jerryd Bayless? What does that say about Ike Diogu? What does that say about Jarrett Jack and Brandon Rush?
I’m in the mood, so I’ll spell it out. Portland was willing to pick up a huge upside young undersized shooting guard that should probably play point guard. They were adding another point guard and Roy plays a lot of point, so they had to jettison one. That issue has been discussed plenty here, so I will move on.
Indiana, is in a different situation than the Trail Blazers. They have to win with character guys as soon as possible, just to win back the fan base. Winning is better than losing so they need to draft, not a franchise savior, but an experienced guy who an play significant minutes in his rookie season and be successful. I am not comparing the two in any way, but considering the naysayers at the time, why did the Blazers draft Roy?
So the trade was about two rookies. The Blazers were drafting a project point guard and Indiana was drafting a guy who could contribute this year. The Blazers no longer needed one of their point guards… Indiana no longer wanted Ike Diogu, probably because he is as not good, as Jarrett Jack is not good. I still love Jack, but you know what I’m talking about. Indiana already gave us Bayless for just Jarrett Jack and Brandon Rush, why would they throw in Dogu if he could actually play?
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 12, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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Yeah.
Basically, Bayless replaced JJ and Ike replaced McBob.
That’s all Ike needs to be to justify his part in that trade:
He’s an upgrade over Josh McRoberts.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on
Oct 12, 2008 9:54 PM PDT
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I think I'd rather have McRoberts.
If the kid ever gets some minutes, I think he will surprise a lot of folks.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
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Also, Indiana wouldn't want to have a young PG with a Bayless face sitting on their bench behind T.J. Ford ;-)
Not in their current situation. Jack is usually all smiles, and as you said Rush might be more ready to contribute immediately. They are really all about bringing in good character happy community workers in right now in Pacerland, and getting their bad apples out at all cost. They just got rid of Williams for a little cash and two pretty worthless second round picks from Dallas – a mid-first round pick still on his rookie contract – because he hung out with the wrong guys and smokes grass, earning him at least three run-ins with the police in two years. Tinsley will be gone in exchange for a pu pu platter of players and a case of energy drinks if only somebody would take him.
Not to say Diogu was one of the bad guys in Indiana, on the contrary (otherwise KP would never have accepted him), but he wasn’t really a key piece of their rotation after his latest injury for most of the season.
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 13, 2008 2:54 AM PDT
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Good points
Another reason why Bayless wasn’t a good fit for them.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 13, 2008 3:14 AM PDT
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They picked him for us, for the trade.
If there had been no deal in place, they probably would’ve passed on him.
If I remember right, the Kings were drooling at #12, anticipating getting Bayless.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on
Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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A third-string frontline of ...
Steven Hill and Ike Diogu would create a well-rounded tandem, as the former is all about defense and the latter is all about offense. Yet, even though Shavlik Randolph has a more complete game than both Hill and Diogu, the openly ultraconservative Duke alum is stuck in a major numbers crunch — especially since Raef LaFrentz will probably take up a spot on the inactive list to start this season — which’ll most likely cause his ultimate downfall.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 9:29 PM PDT
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is he really openly ultra conservative?
Can you cite examples of such behavior on his part?
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
According to James Kunstler, who writes a well-respected if slightly profane financial blog whose title I cannot repeat here, "The Republicans must be clearly identified as the party that wrecked America... it's hard to imagine the American people giving the clean-up task to the very group that created the mess -- no matter how many cute little faces Sarah Palin can make on TV."
by vavoom on
Oct 12, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
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According to reports, Shavlik Randolph said the following:
“As long as you don’t bring your gayness on me I’m fine. As far as business-wise, I’m sure I could play with him. But I think it would create a little awkwardness in the locker room.”
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2007/02/08/shavlik-randolph-doesnt-want-any-gayness-brought-his-way/
Those comments were made in light of John Amaechi coming out of the closet last year, which indicates that Randolph is socially illiberal with regards to sexual orientation.
Now, as a libertarian, I feel that everyone has a right to hold their own set of viewpoints — no matter how reactionary — so long as they’re tolerant of others; thus, Randolph’s antiquated beliefs aren’t too big of a deal to me, but that’s neither here nor there.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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This has been beat to death
Is old news, move on folks. No matter your political persuasion, get over it. This is the NBA, not the Democraps or the Repulslicuns. Just BasketBall. Get over your political BS.
by coastrider on
Oct 12, 2008 11:16 PM PDT
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I'm totally with you, as is noted by the sentiments in my final paragraph.
However, we can’t ignore that it’s an issue for some folks; that’s just a part of life.
by AK1984 on
Oct 12, 2008 11:32 PM PDT
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Are they going to televise another pre-season game?
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on
Oct 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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Best. Screenname. Ever.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on
Oct 12, 2008 11:02 PM PDT
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Maybe, maybe not.
In the service, when the doc checks out your pecker it is referred to as a short arm inspection.
Tyrannosaurus – well know for having very short arms.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 8:05 AM PDT
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Please no hating on the Sexual Tyrannosaurus
I’m here to help
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on
Oct 13, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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and so you are ST
so you are. I 2nd no hating on the ST
the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
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Thanks for the recap, it helps a lot we people couldn´t watch the game.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on
Oct 12, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
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My thoughts
I enjoyed going to tonights game…more or less. The first half of the game it felt like the entire game was spent at the freethrow line. The second half of the game, there were multiple (at least 3 or 4) shot clock “malfunctions” that stopped the game for no reason.
Greg didn’t look as good tonight as he did in the earlier pre-season games. He sort of looked like he was going through the motions, and that was about it.
Batum is downright impressive. The more I see him, the more I like him.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but every time Travis touches the ball I cringe because I know he is going to shoot it, and likely a low-percentage shot. There was a play tonight where he ended up triple-teamed at about the freethrow line, and instead of passing it to an open player, he decided to take the shot.
The blazers got absolutely hammered on the boards tonight. Utah was able to rebound at-will.
We need to hire the Utah freethrow coach. They shot over 90% from the freethrow line.
I was surprised to see several instances of offensive fouls called away from the ball for what appeared to be inadvertant contact.
by Avoozl on
Oct 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
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Deja vu
I said almost exactly the same thing at the start of LAST season. As time wore on he remembered how to pass and by the new year I was actually glad to see him get the ball. I can only hope that again he forgets the “if I get the ball I have to shoot it” mentality.
It's time to retire Terry Porter's jersey. Please!
by jorga on
Oct 12, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
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wow thems some big comments.
mmm, there seems to be some critical thinking going on here, I’ll just say thanks to ben for the rundown of the game, and good night to the rest of you, sleep tight.
The faith (and I'm a guy) perverts. :)
by faith on
Oct 12, 2008 9:28 PM PDT
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I've voted Trout, but not because he's really earned it.
It’s more about development.
For Rudy and “Rock” Batum, they’re both rookies from Europe; in addition,
Batum’s awfully young, and Rudy’s summer has been busier than any Blazer’s.
They deserve to be developed, and not thrown too early into a starting role,
even if their play and prospect warrants the reward aspect of starting.
(Starting pre-season games is fine; that’s a development role. I’m talking just about regular-season starts.)
I care more about where they get to as Blazers than how soon they get there;
in fact, I care that “there” is not the place for them in November of 2008.
The path toward there is.
Trout, on the other hand . . .
He’s been developed and extended and given major minutes and a plum offensive-focal-point role.
It’s very much sink/swim time for Travis, and giving him further “development” at this point
would be more spoiling him than starting him would.
As long as Martell is out (and remember, he WILL be back, so this is a temporary opportunity),
we need to put Trout in there as a starter, with major minutes and major responsibilities.
If he flounders like he did the first two pre-season games, the bench isn’t the demotion for him;
another team’s uniform is.
No more wait-and-see for Travis Outlaw.
In Martell’s absence, give him the starter’s burden with no option but to bear it.
In the words of a wise man something:
“Do, or do not. There is no ‘try’.”

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on
Oct 12, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
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"There is no try, Qualitypie?????"
Try to be a team player….. pass, defend, move without-the-ball, court awareness….
these are things Trout can only continue to TRY.
Trout is better on the second team where teamwork can be a trial.
by spencerbutte on
Oct 12, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
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That's been my thought until this week.
That Trout’s options were:
a) Be good enough to start
b) Don’t be good enough to start, and back up Martell
c) Don’t be good enough to start, and back up who ever we get with the RLEC/cap space that’s better than Martell.
But with Batum showing so well, he’s no longer entitled to a backup forward slot if he’s sub-starter;
now, there’s someone else maybe more deserving than him of THAT “consolation prize”, never mind the starter’s role.
That changes things.
And if Trout is to be ahead of Batum on the depth chart even in a backup role,
then he’s got to show himself to be starter-quality IN MARTELL’S ABSENCE.
That’s the do-or-do-not challenge Trout must meet in the regular season games Martell misses
if he is to deserve even so much as the backup role over Batum down the road.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on
Oct 12, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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Skill set!
Your using words like,,,,
“deserving”…. “consolation prize”….. “sub-starter”
The Blazers are being put together to play AS A TEAM.
There is a skill-set of abilities that should be referenced in describing what is needed.
Each player will need these skills. The words you are using don’t support that skill set.
by spencerbutte on
Oct 12, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
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Well, kind of.
I am using those reward-the-individual kind of terms to show what I don’t believe should be done.
I think the Trout-as-backup-at-the-very-least assumption comes from a mentality
that he might be starter quality, and if he doesn’t quite reach that,
then there’s a consolation prize for him as the backup small forward,
a reward for being almost good enough to fit with the Roy/LMA/Oden line-up.
You’re bang on about what those terms mean, and thats exactly how I use them.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
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Nate challenged Trout to work on becoming
the “best 6th-man” (ref. Blazer blog site) at the beginning of the off-season.
Over the off-season, Trout (in interviews) seemed to enlarge/change that challenge.
With Martell’s injury, Trout now sees: STARTER.
I don’t think Nate did or does. “Reward” is not a Nate type of inducement.
Nate and management seem more focused on capabilities.
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Oct 12, 2008 11:06 PM PDT
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I have no problem with Batum getting big minutes or even starting
if he outperforms Outlaw and Webster. Think about it for a minute. Sure, he’s a rookie, and he’ll make some rookie mistakes, but the other guys have been in the league several years and Batum already outplays them on defense. When has Nate ever complimented their defense?
Batum seems to be improving with every minute he gets. If he’s already the best defender we have at SF, and if he proves capable of hitting a couple of threes each game and playing well in other aspects of the game, why would Nate not at least make him the #2 option at SF when Martell gets back? Nate distributes minutes according to performance, not contract or status.
I’m sorry Martell broke his foot, but seeing what Batum can do and giving him minutes to develop his game is a terrific silver lining to that situation. I’m intrigued by Batum and curious as to how this plays out.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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Dwight Jaynes agrees with me, FWIW.
Nicolas Batum: The kid’s still 19 and plays with the poise of a veteran player. I don’t recall ever seeing a guy that young with such a great feel for NBA defense. He’s really been the surprise of camp. He’s always blocking something or deflecting something. When you think about it, with Martell Webster out for a couple of month, Batum’s skillset makes him a legitimate candidate for a starting job. He already defends better than Travis Outlaw and seems to be satisfied with whatever shots come his way (although, to his credit considering his age, he’s not at all afraid to shoot). And he not only can pass, he’s willing to pass — one other category where he surpasses Outlaw.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
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Sergio's Defense
was really great tonight, easily the best i’ve seen from him. Nate agreed, saying on 95.5 after the game that he was impressed with Sergio’s D and pointed he basically shut down Williams for 20 minutes, and D. Williams is one of the best guards in the league. Antonio Harvey also offered that Sergio has really stepped up to the challenge this pre-season and this story is getting overlooked due to the other excitement of Batum, Rudy, and Oden. I agree that these four pre-season game should and improved Sergio who seems to posses a new confidence and attitude to go along with the improvements in his game.
A couple notes for those who weren’t able to see the game: Yes, Sergio really had FIVE steals and they weren’t the “make a risky gamble to poach a pass” variety, but instead were the results of him playing intense on-the-ball defense and constantly disrupting the Jazz’s offense—anticipating the next pass or move and getting in the way and just making it not fun for the Utah guards. It was really exciting to see this.
Also, Sergio absolutely BROKE D. Williams ankles on a play in the 1st half, no screen or nothing just a perfect crossover that had Williams totally turned around in one on one coverage, no screen needed, and Sergio got to the hoop and was fouled. (His free throws today—AYE! that’s another story).
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
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i love sergios growth
but in all honestly…this new sergio has been pretty efficient, but i still prefer the exciting and electric sergio of 2 years ago to this sergio of today. he may be a better player now, but he just excite me the way he did before. i dunno hopefully i’ll change my opinion when i see some awesome sergio to rudy lobs.
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Just wait until he's back on the court with Rudy.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on
Oct 12, 2008 10:39 PM PDT
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If you're looking for excitement in the form of dunks and alleyoops,
Portland isn’t the team to be rooting for. Our bread and butter is defense and the pick and roll, and the flashy play of Rudy is but a bonus for this team. We all know what happened to the SSOL Phoenix suns, and I just don’t think we need that kind of play out of Sergio. The excitement and electricity generated by the Rookie Sergio was a product of our own expectations for what he can do, and trust me, it will return as Rudy continues to play more NBA games. Like JC said on his radio show, Rudy might just be the 3rd or even 2nd best player on this team, and I think it will be more of the latter by the end of this season.
by premthegrem on
Oct 13, 2008 1:41 AM PDT
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Sergio is lucky because of walking by the hard way in the NBA.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on
Oct 13, 2008 2:42 AM PDT
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his free throws....... it is totally unacceptable 0-4 a guy of his level. I don't know what he is thinking when he is in font of the line.
Anyway I feel great as it seems Sergio may succeed in Portland.
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 7:00 AM PDT
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Yeah, it was brutal.
and they just barely rimmed out to, you could tell by the last one he was ready to shoot himself. He came out of halftimes and did nothing but shoot free-throws in the warm-ups and he was like 12-15, so he can hit them. i would guess when you got so many parts of your game changing, it’s hard to keep everything working just right, hopefully, he will start making them in the game.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
by sergioFTW on
Oct 13, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
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Yes i know he can hit them.
to me hitting the frees is all about concentration if you have a good touch shoting from outside. I wouldn’t ask Shaquille O’Neal to hit the frees (he can’t with or without concentration) but any PG in the league should have at least more than 80%. If not, it should be a lack of concentration.
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 8:15 AM PDT
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Why won't anyone shoot them like Rick Barry did?

Barry says big guys like Shaq especially would benefit.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 13, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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because it looks sissy of course
the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:48 AM PDT
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I still say
That one day someone in the NBA will shoot like that at a high percentage and the granny shot will have a resurgence. A smart company should have offered Shaq a lot of money to do it as part of an advertising campaign.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 14, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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shhh! He's still playing
Dont take away the HackUhShaq option at this stage
the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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+1
the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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Agreed. My vote. Me too. One point for you...
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on
Oct 14, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
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If you're both from Spain
why are you communicating with each other in english?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 15, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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I just can speak of myself but..
mainly, it is out of respect for everyone of you. And after all, this is an english forum.
by cbp on
Oct 16, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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Now that there are at least tres of you hombres
on this blog, pienso que ustedes deben hablar espanol to each other so that those of us who studied it in school can aprender it again.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
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I don't like Roy starting at SF at all. I don't think Rudy checking Kobe is a good idea
and think it would be better for Portland’s offense if Bayless, Rudy, and Frye played on the second squad.
by BRoyInThe4th on
Oct 12, 2008 10:34 PM PDT
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Rudy and Roy will see time on the court together.
It’s going to happen. I don’t like it all that much either, but it’s probably the best option. Batum is too young, Outlaw is Outlaw, Webster is hurt, and Rudy is too small.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on
Oct 12, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
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I want to see Batum matched up against Kobe
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on
Oct 12, 2008 10:46 PM PDT
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that'll make for a nice poster
don’t think he’s on that level just yet
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on
Oct 12, 2008 10:49 PM PDT
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I think he'll do as well as any other Blazer, maybe better, who knows
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on
Oct 12, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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You can't stop Kobe. You can only hope to contain him.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 13, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
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to me it doesn't matter if Rudy starts or not as long as he plays al teast 25 minutes.
by cbp on
Oct 13, 2008 7:01 AM PDT
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and on the floor in the 4th if the opposition isn't blown out by then
the Spanish contributors on this board are hella cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 14, 2008 8:52 AM PDT
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Still not anointing Batum as a starter
If Webster was healthy, he wouldn’t even be in the rotation. I know he looked good tonight, in fact, he looked really, really good. But he is so young and I know his jumper is not as reliable as it appeared tonight. I sure am excited a couple years from now though, this kid was a very nice pickup.
Also, Sergio>Bayless….. at least when it comes to playing point guard….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Oct 12, 2008 11:34 PM PDT
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How about this one:
Blake, Roy, Udoka, Aldridge, Oden
by RoyalAsn on
Oct 12, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
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I must have missed the part
where the Spurs cut Udoka.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Oct 12, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
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I sometimes think that if Pritchard could have a do-over...
… it would be to have re-signed Ime.
Then again, maybe not. I never bought into the stupid line that Udoka was too old for a young Blazer team. But I think Webster is going to be an All-Star and Ime would have likely slowed Martell’s development.
Still, I really like Royal’s lineup and Sergio,Rudy,.Webster,Frye,Pryzbilla sounds like a sweet 2nd team.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Oct 13, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
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That swooshing sound?
That’s the sound behind Outlaw of Batum developing into an extraordinary small forward, perhaps becoming the lock-down defender McMillan has been looking for. Silky, quick, surprisingly tough for such a skinny guy, agile, showed 3-point range in today’s game, hasn’t had a bad preseason game. A different player from the one we saw in summer league. Appears to be an extremely fast learner. Comfortable on the floor. By the end of the game, looked better than Kirilenko! Not yet 20! Gots hops. And armmmmms. Good timing. There’s no way the Blazers are going to part with this guy. Today may belong the Webster, backed up by Outlaw. Tomorrow belongs to Batum. Maybe sooner than we thought.
by Trutherlizer on
Oct 13, 2008 12:27 AM PDT
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We got horribly out-rebounded 47-28 today, despite Greg and Joel combining for 43 minutes
Who is to blame for that? The lack of LMA in the game alone doesn’t explain it. This is an area where the Blazers should be strong especially on the defensive end, but it wasn’t. I think that’s a better reason for why the team lost this game than turnovers which were equally bad on both sides. Also, our percentage from two and three dropped quite a bit in the second half. Impressive was the number of blocks Batum and Shavlik got (3 each).
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on
Oct 13, 2008 2:39 AM PDT
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It seems to me
That the team often has tunnel vision and especially in the preseason. Nate probably told the team to focus on something and they did. The next game, everyone will probably be going for rebounds, so the game after that he’ll get them to focus on what they neglect while focusing on rebounds.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 13, 2008 3:25 AM PDT
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Oden was asleep on his feet today.
He seemed to to meander from point to point on the court, it was kind of embarrassing. For whatever reason. Anyway a fiery Oden would have brought those numbers a little closer.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
by sergioFTW on
Oct 13, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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I didn't see the game
but I’m reading so many comments like that that I wonder if Oden has obstructive sleep apnea.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 13, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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I'm starting to worry...
Oden doesn’t seem to be to into it right now. It shouldn’t matter whether it’s pre-season or not, he should still always have the same desire, especially as a rookie,
by BeloHorizante on
Oct 13, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
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Agree to a point
You want always to see the drive (SEE Brandon Roy), but I’ve heard this about Oden before – not a good practice player, but he turns it on when it counts. This is the first real basketball he’s played in over a year and others have said he’s being cautious – maybe he has even been told to take it easier in the pre-season. I’m more than willing to wait for the season – and maybe even after Jan 1 – to decide whether or not to be worried. Right now – not at all.
It's time to retire Terry Porter's jersey. Please!
by jorga on
Oct 13, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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You said
UW coach Lorenzo Romar was in the building, sitting about 8 rows in front of us. His daughter and wife have the exact same haircut. Literally, exactly the same. Awk-ward.
Coming from a girl, this isn’t awkward, it’s cute. I bet they are the mother daughter dua that are BFFE! :) Its only awkward if the Son and Mother have the same haircut
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 13, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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depends on the age of the daughter
and on the hairstyle. Too sophisticated on a 3 yr old is bad as is too juvenile on a 30 something. But from middle school on up – not annoying at all unless the style they’ve chose is pigtails with bows on the ends – and if Mom has colored her hair to match the daughter. (My daughter had beautiful ash blond hair as a small child and I used to want to take her with me to the salon and say “make mine the same color”. Never did – too much upkeep. But I was admiring my grandson’s color yesterday – light brown with lots of shimmer.)
It's time to retire Terry Porter's jersey. Please!
by jorga on
Oct 13, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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My mother has a really short pixie style cut
It looks great on her and it would be horrid on me. I dunno. I was trying to give Ben a hard time. :-)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 13, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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i should have noted that
she was at least 16, probably 18 or 20.
it was awk-ward.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 13, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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although upon second thought
maybe im just a bad person.
if that is the case, i apologize.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 13, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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Oh I was just giving you a hard time :)
I still dont understand how it could be perceived as awkward? The mom is trying to look younger and the daughter is trying to look mature, I would say that is fairly typical.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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Ben Im so confused... /:-|
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 13, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
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I think
He was saying the mother and daughter had the same late 90’s hairdo as that lady in the photo he posted.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision and a poet's heart.
by tominhawaii on
Oct 14, 2008 2:40 AM PDT
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which is what i thought but I dont find that haircut awkward or weird?
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 14, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
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that’s his daughter. that’s the same EXACT haircut as her mom. same length. everything. 2 for 1 deal at great clips.
obviously this visual failed…
obviously i won’t be commenting about female haircuts in the future…
ANYWAY… [looks around trying to change subject]
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 14, 2008 10:33 AM PDT
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Ben
Where do you sit? I kept running my binoculars along possible locations and found a few possibilities, but never a “that’s Ben!”
I notice they’ve moved the radio guys this season – it looks awfully crowded for the local crew. (I never saw them last year because the Jumbotron was between us.) I saw Mike & Mike before the game in their casual clothes – where do they sit on their off nights?
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by jorga on
Oct 13, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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right between nate and monty on the bench. i wish.
actually….
it’s hard for me to say that as they move things around from game to game.
so far i have been lucky enough to sit in the first row of the media section at the back of section 113. this section is where quick, freeman, dwight and all the TV guys/gals sit. it’s like being a kid in a candy store for a blogger.
the other two media sections are at the back of section 111 (generally for visiting media) and the back of 207 (overflow). at various times last year i sat in all 3 sections.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 13, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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last year
during the sonics game last year, i saw mike and mike standing in the tunnel to the locker room watching the game.
honestly i dont know where they sit, my guess would be that they have seats at the courtside scorer’s table.
if you ask mr barrett on his blog, i’d bet he would answer.
honor terry porter
by Ben. on
Oct 13, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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