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Preseason Game 4 Open Thread

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Here's your open thread for this afternoon's contest against Utah.  Be sure and talk all about the Jazz, the Blazers, and the newly-blooming Steven Hill/Shavlik Randolph tug of war for that 15th spot...because, you know, 15th spots are critical.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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FOIST!

Definitely interested to se where Koufos is at right now.
Dunno if he’s the next Sinanovic, Oberto, or Smits.
BIG floor-to-ceiling range for that big lug.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Oct 12, 2008 8:24 AM PDT   0 recs

If Randolph continues to out-perform Diogu

sign Randolph, trade Diogu for draft picks (I don’t care how far out or how low), and then sign Hill.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 8:30 AM PDT   0 recs

So he's starting?

Is he the 2nd 4 until we get Channing back?

by LetsBlaze on Oct 12, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

good question

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You had my hopes up

that it would be some inside scoop on how My Man Ike was being shopped.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 8:39 AM PDT   0 recs

on TV today?

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Oct 12, 2008 8:41 AM PDT   0 recs

Link for TV?

Is there anyway to check this game out online tonight?

Also, I’m getting pretty excited to see if Batum will be able to make the 12 man active roster to start the season. I’m having debates with myself as to whether or not I want him there. The D-League is the only way for him to get significant run, but I also don’t want to see his game style change in anyway.

by as11osu on Oct 12, 2008 8:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Of course Nic will be in the 12 man active roster

Raef is out a long time. Martell is out a couple months. The only way Nic isn’t one of the top 12 is if Randolph, Hill, or Jackson is kept on the team AND passes him on the depth chart.

If Batum goes to D-League, it won’t be until after Martell is back.

AND, he’ll get some PT, too. Because we’ll have the occasional blowout win, so even if he isn’t in the rotation, he’ll play the last 5-6 minutes in the blowouts.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm inclined to agree

Batum is perhaps the biggest surprise so far of the preseason. Aside from decent defense, he mostly looked lost in summer league play and was close to an offensive zero. But he seems to have left his game jitters in Nevada and has played with composure and confidence up north. Does this show that he’s a fast learner? It’s too early to draw firm conclusions, but there have been times when he’s looked better than TO! He’s a pesky defender, doesn’t need to shoot when the ball touches his hands and from what I’ve been able to see so far, shows improving court awareness. He makes assists. At this stage, he won’t score baskets in bushels as Outlaw can, but perhaps he could already be better in spots where you want someone to focus on shutting down the other team’s small forward and don’t need to worry about getting points out of your own 3.

TO’s safe for now, but he needs to start looking over his shoulder. There’s a long-armed, hard-working, committed-to-developing-a-complete-game, young and hungry French guy waiting in the wings.

by Trutherlizer on Oct 12, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are so obnoxious you wish you could be like jscot or milledanimal

but you’re not. Batum will be on the active roster… I hardly think Nate and co. hardly have a choice as this point.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"People? You man Sheeple."

by Mike-Fu on Oct 12, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nonsense...

Why on earth would I want to be like anyone else on this site? Everyone has their own ideas, and I think you should get used to that. As far as being obnoxious goes, putting your name at the end of all your posts has to be up there for most obnoxious things you could possibly do on a message board.

I hardly think Nate and co. hardly have a choice as this point.

Nice sentence. I can see why Mike-Fu gave it a +1.

by as11osu on Oct 12, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nonsense...

everyone wishes they were like me. Only I, in all my glory, match up to my standards, of course.

What I liked about her statement was that she said someone who is obnoxious wants to be like me. That was a slam, that was. I’m deeply, deeply hurt.

And yet, it was a compliment, too. She’s saying that I even am good at being obnoxious. When I set my mind to do something, I do it well — even if it is just being obnoxious.

So I’m deeply hurt, and complimented, all at the same time. What a complex life I live.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually what I meant was, although you are annoying you contribute some pretty sound

information blazer wise . Mostly im annoyed by you because you have the exact opposite political views as I . Other than that we are pretty much on the same page. You know, standing up for what we believe in at all cost and so forth.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

I actually agree with more of your political views than you think, I just really don’t very much like the way you express them sometimes. It’s not even that, so much. It’s that I think you actually make the other guys out to be worse than they really are, and that damages your credibility. There’s plenty to oppose there without stretching things.

And you’re not annoyed by me, you just don’t agree with me. I’m too wonderful and charming and obnoxious and arrogant (in a stupid sort of way) to be annoying. You don’t want to admit it, but you even laugh at some of my stupid jokes. It’s ok, don’t admit it, it will just be our little secret, right?

And most of your basketball analysis is really spot on. And you support the right team. And you didn’t like Darius. So, what’s not to like.

When I was young (old geezer now, practically), girls weren’t supposed to know about basketball. Are you a guy?

Just disproves the old theory about looks and brains being inversely proportional, I guess.

Always knew it wasn’t true, but then I married my wife. She’s always had the looks, but if she were smart, she would have done better than me. Maybe she just settled for me because she wanted someone who isn’t as smart as she is, I don’t know. It wasn’t for my looks, that’s for sure.

Love is blind, I guess.

What were we talking about?

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What were we talking about indeed?

I’m sure all this stuff about who doesn’t like who is very interesting to someone…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 12, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like turtles.

"People? You man Sheeple."

by Mike-Fu on Oct 12, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah yeah talk smack about my accidental use of a word twice in a sentence

You Got Me There Einstein.

Regardless, you could be Jesus himself and I still wouldn’t like you . I just dont like you. Every once in a while, I like to excercise a little prejudice. Its so fulfilling.

Sophia

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is it that you don't like me?

I haven’t even hit 100 posts yet. Which of my opinions on players or subjects do you find so objectionable? I know I’ve only recently been around here, but I’ve been posting on the Blazers for 4 years now on another board, and this team is essentially handpicked by me. 7 of our 8 first round picks in the last 3 years are guys I would’ve taken (before the picks were made *not Petteri). Its people that evaluate the game like I do that gave you your team.

by as11osu on Oct 12, 2008 3:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's wrong with wanting to be like me?

Oh yeah… uh-huh… right… I see… that’s true… you got me there… okay… okay, all RIGHT!

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 12, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade Diogu for picks

sign Randolph and Hill, and keep Batum on the 12 man to keep nipping at Outlaw and Webster.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 8:52 AM PDT   0 recs

I hear that one!

Good idea.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not so fast

Sign Jackson then trade him with Diogu.

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by tominhawaii on Oct 12, 2008 9:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade for what or whom?

Better positioned draft picks? Another scrub?

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't do serious trades so I don't know

I was just playing along and still feel bad for Fred Jones.

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by tominhawaii on Oct 12, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's the deal with Freddy?

I see on his Wiki that he’s still a free agent.

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by tominhawaii on Oct 12, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd just like to see Jackson

have a job somewhere. Gotta support the local yokels.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade and sign

Apparently Hill really likes the way Randolph signs autographs and a signature trade is awaiting NBA approval. Hill will owe Randolph cash considerations to make it balance out, but we could see them playing under each others name in the very near future.

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"Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it"
- Steve Prefontaine

by FatsSon on Oct 12, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like it

I am sure Ike is a cool cat n all, but I see him and his $4 mil-ish expiring contract sitting next to RLEC in street clothes.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Ike goes nowhere

until Channing is back and demonstrates he’s healthy and in condition again.

If we can’t get any value for Ike in a trade, he may just be kept around as leverage in negotiations with Channing — “well, Channing, we like your game, but why should we extend you for $7 million a year to play 10 mpg when we can sign Ike for $2.5 million a year? Don’t you think you ought to settle for $5 million instead? We do think you are that much better than Ike….”

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, their money level is about the same.

Being the 8th and 9th picks in the same 2005 draft and all.

And extensions with either one would have to happen before Halloween, same as with MarWeb.
So negotiations can’t happen after “Channing is back and demonstrates he’s healthy and in condition again”, unfortunately.

Or, for that matter, until Martell is back.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Oct 12, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's highly unlikely Ike will get an extension this year

That being said, he fills a valuable role on the roster as a back to the basket player and that could be a reason why he stays. Totally different style than Frye or Randolph. Nate said he reminds him of a throwback player straight out of the 80s, and that’s what he likes about him. Randolph is like a slightly worse version Channing or a much worse version of LaMarcus. That’s nice to have, but not something different to change the pace/style of a game.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In theory yes

I would sure like him to grab a mountain of boards before camp breaks to make me feel better.

Shavlik actually boards.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And beds

Shavlik Randolp in bed with J.J. Redick. Well, not in one, but it’s still funny. Don’t wake him early in the morning…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6UXd914ySU

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by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ike was picked higher than Channing

You are correct.

Channing is released for drills and should be allowed contact by Wednesday.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ike was a beast in college.

Goes to show again that College and NBA are two different games. I was sure Danny Ferry, the O’Bannon guys, Christian Latener, and Harold Miner were going to be great NBA players.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LaRue Martin

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Forgot all about him.

Bigger mistake than Bowie.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 3:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Harold Miner, aka Baby Jordan.

I wonder if he were flattered or insulted at that nickname. Maybe both.

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 12, 2008 3:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm talking about next year

They’ll likely neither one be extended this year. Next year, only one will be offered a new contract (unless there’s a trade during the season, of course). They are competing for the right to be backup forward on the championship teams.

If we can get something for Ike in a trade (after Channing comes back and shows his stuff), he might well go before the deadline. If not, and if both play reasonably well, the presence of Ike will allow KP to play hardball with Channing’s agent. In that scenario, look for Channing to agree a reasonable contract quickly at the very start of July, and for the rights to Ike to be renounced.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, okay.

RFA negotiations next year.
Gotcha.

Although, I’ve been a big fan of Dave’s premise that any of these guys not extended now
is more likely than not to be traded this season, even if we do aim to re-acquire them in free agency,
if only to dump their cap-hold status during that free agency signing period.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Oct 12, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's possible

I still think Martell might be extended this month. I see Ike renounced, and Channing re-signed quickly next year, so his cap hold won’t be a problem. If Ike can actually earn some market value as far as trades, I could easily see him traded this year, but it just depends who/what becomes available.

You can’t just trade Ike for draft picks, you have to salary match.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 1:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah - it's just an unexpected monkey wrench . . .

 . . . that this last stretch of training camp and pre-season, our last opportunity
to get some performance evidence of where they’re at and what they’re worth,
Channing and Martell are both injured, and won’t really be back full-on
until after the extension deadline passes.

The timing just kinda sucks on that.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Oct 12, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Ike is likely to be watching the games with RLEC

if he isn’t moved before Martell comes back. I would be a fan of an 80’s style (undersized) PF, if said PF would actually demonstrate they could change the game up. I think it’s all a theory with Ike.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you mean Ike ain't no Brandon Bass

and Ike ain’t no Leon Powe.

Is that what you mean?

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Oct 12, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love to see that

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bass, Powe, Maxiell, Maxsap...

The league is full of them—physical, talented, undersized fours off the bench. That type is useful in the regular season but becomes indispensable during the playoffs. KP knows the Blazers need at least one guy like that; Diogu is auditioning for that role. If he doesn’t pan out, I’m sure KP will try another candidate (or two) next season. But I doubt he’s ready to throw in the towel on Diogu so early.

Having said that, every time Ike gets the ball down low on offense, I groan, “Nothing good is going to come from this.”

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 12, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Channing & Blake

Nate said in the Oregonian today that blake and Channing did walk though in Pactice on sat. and that come mid week would start full contact pactice.

by billyjoejack on Oct 12, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

but Channing needs to show he’s really fit and ready to play 25-30 minutes if needed. Should come, might take a few weeks.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IDEC & RLEC

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

going tonight

any body got injury update on Rudy and will any of our other keys play

by BLAZERS#52 on Oct 12, 2008 9:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Quick says that Rudy won't play today

don’t know about Joel (or the rest)

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by 92wastheyear on Oct 12, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joel

most likely won’t play today

by billyjoejack on Oct 12, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Greg will

If he dunks on Boozer and Okur at least once, I’m happy with our frontcourt :)

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by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes!

I want to see Greg slam Boozer on his butt!

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Per Oregonian this AM

No Aldrige, No Rudy, No Roy, No Joel.

by Avoozl on Oct 12, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's up w/LMA?

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 12, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing. Just rest.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool

I likes rest

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 12, 2008 11:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa

No LMA, no Rudy, no Roy, no Joel… and no Frye yet either. Not to mention no Blake.

Like, who is gonna get all the PT?

My guess is that Sergio and Bayless will get a ton of burn, and so will the new guy, Shavlik. Oden will get his 20 minutes and Hill will get the lion’s share of backup center minutes.

I’ll be curious to see if Shavlik can come anywhere close to duplicating his performance from last game. If he does then we gotta conclude he has the inside track on that 15th roster spot.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Oct 12, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

G.O.'s goin' for 22 minutes

Get it on Big man.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 12, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow. That's a lot of missing guys.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

injury update

Rudy is fine but will not play today. Nate said in The Oregonian Also Roy and Aldridge won’t play

by billyjoejack on Oct 12, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anybody think Oden will lose it one day this season for being hacked and start a fight (or at least in his career)?

A la Shaq? Shaq vs. Barkley fight. Shaq vs. Brad Miller and Charles Oakley brawl. Or does this never happen because he is too calm, and too good of a free throw shooter to get mad about being hacked.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2008 10:10 AM PDT   0 recs

I think Oden will pick up Shaq and body slam him sometime in the next 2 years

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Song

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by 92wastheyear on Oct 12, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he pops KG in the nose

it would be worth the suspension.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shaq vs Barkley wasn't a fight

Shaq swung, Barkley ducked, then grabbed Shaq, picked him up, and dumped him on his keister. Good thing Shaq never learned how to box.

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 12, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

would be nice to see Channing

Rudy and Martell are both out. That leaves us with Batum, Outlaw and Jackson available to play the 3, and Bayless and Roy at the 2. Rodriguez could play PG while Bayless plays SG and either Batum or Outlaw plays SF.

It would be nice if Frye was available to play a little at the 4 while Bayless and Batum/Outlaw are out there. Frye could also play a little at the 3 while LMA and Oden are on the floor. Missing Channing is a major bummer.

Missing Martell is major too. I hope his sensitive disposition isn’t tweaked by this period of forced inactivity.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Oct 12, 2008 10:16 AM PDT   0 recs

Today could be pretty ugly if everybody on the Utah roster is healthy

Reportedly Nate wants to try out Jamaal Tatum today, and extensively play the other unguaranteed players.

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