Comcastic is Just Bombastic
Comcast has been trying to get away with being able to restrict content across its network, and not just as it relates to basketball games. The unfettered Internet, left to Comcast, would become a pipeline of Comcast-approved advertising and propaganda, with the consumers figuring last when it comes to who benefits.
But there is good news. See the article at the link below, which details how the FCC ruled that Comcast discriminated against the NFL Network by agreeing to carry the channel only on a more expensive sports cable service. The NFL filed the complaint against Comcast in May.
This news gives all of us in the Northwest hope that we can win against the greedy, manipulative Lords of Information who have locked us out of being able to watch the Trailblazers. It's important that the Internet remain free for everyone, and that includes us, the Great Unwashed Masses of Fans. Check out the full info on the FCC ruling at:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/10/10/comcast.nfl.ap/index.html?eref=si_topstories
Comcast- get out of our way!
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Now I’m pissed.
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by iDea on Oct 11, 2008 7:01 AM PDT 0 recs
What are you talking about? Comcast is awesome!
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Oct 11, 2008 9:30 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm just a jerk is all.
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on
Oct 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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If you are only thinking of your situation they might be.
Or was that a facetious comment?
by TwoDeep on Oct 11, 2008 10:16 AM PDT 0 recs
Why hasn't some sort of class action suit been filed on behalf of the edgers?
Ya’ll seem smart enough, and a few of ya’ll gotta be lawyers.
What’cha waiting for?
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by faith on Oct 11, 2008 11:08 AM PDT 0 recs
I AM SICK AND TIRED
of scrambling all over the internet just to get a glimpse of blazer games or 2 min highlights. we deserve better than that. i have Dish tv and dont get many blazer games except KGW ones and i am a cheap mo fo so wont buy NBA tv. pls get this issue fixed. i want to see Greg Dunk and the crowd reaction, and then play it over and over again.
by bowdown on Oct 11, 2008 11:36 AM PDT 0 recs
In my local paper today, the Bend Bulletin...
Comcast has a full page ad. It says the names of a few other cable systems that have signed up and why hasn’t Bend Broadband. They are putting on the pressure. Hopefully this will get a few people to call BB but I’m not holding my breath.
"Greg Oden is the strongest guy in the NBA" - Channing Frye.
by TallTimber on Oct 12, 2008 9:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Bends chamber of commerce......
didn’t have anything to say about them gaining a monopoly in the bend area?
I could have sworn ya’lls Commerce people would have had something to say about holding the only oregon pro sports team hostage.
I’m serious about that class action suit, I think we’d have a fair case and apply some pressure to comcast to make the games avalable to everyone…I mean what is the big hold up?
my understood answer,
Comcast want’s a butt load of money, that the dish/direct/bend broadcasting can’t pay for one, and if they did, they wouldn’t be able to provide it without applying a massive charge to ALL of their customers.
In short GREED.
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by faith on
Oct 12, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Comcast Strong-arming Local Providers
Comcast has been running television ads on the Northern Oregon Coast, calling for people to pressure their local providers to buy Comcast’s services. How much is Comcast asking the locals to pay? Is it fair market value, or is it extortion, now that they hold exclusive rights to Blazer broadcasts?
Many people slept through high school lectures about the dangers of monopolies. How does it feel to be at the mercy of one now, sports fans?
Dear Paul Allen,
You’ve done an incredible job of turning around the Trail Blazer franchise. The fan base is back in droves, the prospect for revenues is good, and the future is bright. Why not buy back the cable rights from Comcast and independently negotiate with the local cable / satellite providers? It would be the absolute best public relations move any NBA owner has ever made; it would endear you forever to the many thousands of Oregonians and Washingtonians who follow the team; it would end up costing you less than Comcast asks, because you have a list of subscribers ready to pounce; and it would show your true commitment to the overall health of the product.
Just a thought.
If you say "basically" at the beginning of a sentence, you probably also put ketchup on everything you eat.
by CosmoPlavix on
Oct 12, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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Per an email that TallTimbers (I think) recieved from BendBroadband
The amount that Comcast is asking would result in a cost of $1.50 per customer (who subscribes to package that would contain CSN) per month and I would bet that this is what they are asking from Charter and the others too. This doesn’t sound excessive to me.
As far as monopolies go…this isn’t a case of a monopoly….this is exclusive broadcast rights. As sports fans we see them all the time..everywhere. For instance, ESPN has purchased the broadcast rights to Monday Night Football….meaning no other outlet can broadcast it. It is the same thing here. The Blazers sold the broadcast rights to Comcast. Comcast then offers their channel (that they created just to carry the Blazers) to other providers (just like ESPN does) and the other providers have to decide to carry it or not. I can tell you that the biggest issue was that Comcast did not have an existing channel that other providers already carried which is the reason that most other providers don’t have it yet.
I have heard others post that the Blazers should have sold the rights to an existing channel to avoid this…but the problem with that is that they tried to do just that. They first tried to re-sign with FSN but FSN wouldn’t pay fair amount to the Blazers (Comcast in fact paid about 3 times as much). Don’t get me wrong, Comcast isn’t blameless on this …..I bet that Comcast probably started at a much higher price …..but now …it sounds like about the right pricing (Larry Miller says the same) and now the ball is in the other providers court and Comcast is putting pressure on them to get it done.
Lastly, Greed…if you truely think that Comcast is greedy and think about how business works it doesn’t make sense to withhold the product from the fans……you only make money if the channel is out there being seen by as many people as possible. They make money from subscriber numbers, Ad revenue and so forth…..and all are based on getting most people viewing it as possible.
As far as the Blazers pulling the coverage from Comcast …….that would be a bad …bad idea. Do you remember when Paul tried to start his own channel before……it did not work at all. If he pulled the rights now……no one would get the Blazers because unless Paul gave away the rights, he would be in the same boat as Comcast is. The providers would lowball him and no one would get the coverage. And he can’t just give away the rights anyway….that is the main revenue stream for a sports franchise…more important even than attendance.
Again I think that Comcast is not blameless in this but I think at this point the other providers are just holding out for a lower price and I think that shortly after the season starts one of the providers will decide to carry the channel and then the rest will fall in line.
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on
Oct 12, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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well stated
I’ve always been playing devils advocate regarding this. I’m glad someone sees it the way i do.
by Philthyanimal on
Oct 12, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
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k...I've said I'm pretty slow so let me see if I got this straight... (I watch my games via league pass I don't live in a blackout zone)
Your saying that they purchased the rights to the broadcasting of the blazer games. right?
and no one else can show those games without the consent, and paying comcast. right?
I’m saying if they own the rights, and are not selling those rights for a resonable cost to the people that want them…then thats extortion of some form. Talltimber said that bendbroadcasting was going to increase the rates on all bend broadcasting customers (I think) that’s like 150,000 homes dude. so how much cash is comcast asking for….somethin like 225,000 dollars? and in bend maybe…..maybe 3000 people are DESPERATE to watch the games…..k maybe that figure is a little weak….let’s jump it up to 10,000, forcing the other 140,000 people to foot the rest of the bill? that don’t seem right to me.
The way I figure it is this.
if comcast can’t dig a trench for their silly little cable to be able to serve my house…..then they ain’t making money off of me anyway. BUT if they were to allow my subscription to direct t.v. to feed me blazer games by getting a feed from comcast at an individual person by person charge..
Tha’d be fair to everyone. but I think Comcast is thinking, wholesale, and want the other guy’s to purchase the rights too, like they were going to broadcast to EVERYONE and not just the ones that want to watch…..
I’ll admit I’m pretty stupid to how things really work in the world, but this seems more complicated….(side note….I just took a call and some silly lady wanted to know if I supported gordon, or merkley….then she asked me if I was anti abortion or pro abortion, with silly choices in between, and then she asked me about gay marriages……mmmm…that was a weird call…I’ve never gotten a polling call before and thought it was kind of cool…anyway)…….
yeah, comcast want’s more money than they deserve. to serve people that don’t even care.
at least that’s the way I understand it, and it’d probably take a 5 month course to get me to see it any diffrently…..well, maybe I’m not that dense, but still.
But like I said I use league pass as I’m not in a black out area. so…….lol this is really all a big rant from someone who’s not really affected by it….unless I could buy individual blazer games….and tha’d be cool, cuz league pass cost me like 4 payments of 40 bucks.
It’s worth it as long as I get to see the games.
end rant.
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by faith on
Oct 12, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
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Response from me
“Your saying that they purchased the rights to the broadcasting of the blazer games. right?” Yes….about $100 million over ten years
“…and no one else can show those games without the consent, and paying comcast. right?” Yes…..unless outside of an area dictated by the NBA
“I’m saying if they own the rights, and are not selling those rights for a reasonable cost to the people that want them…then thats extortion of some form.” The point is that Comcast is not selling directly to “the people that want them”, they sell the channel wholesale to another company who then sells it to the public. Think of it like Banana Nut Oatmeal …..If I go to Safeway and they don’t carry that variety…..who do I gripe to?? Quaker Oats who makes it or Safeway who doesn’t carry it? I would think that Safeway would be the one to talk to. Now Safeway may tell me that it costs too much or that not enougn people want it. But I will make it known that if they carry it, I would buy it and I would tell my friends to do the same thing. I promise you that if I go to Quaker, they will tell me to do just that. I can’t tell you if it is a reasonable cost or not…but I can tell you that Comcast needs to sell these rights or they will lose money and a company that gets to be the size of Comcast doesn’t make a habit of losing money. I suspect that they have it priced fairly (and like I said before, Larry Miller of The Blazers has said the prices Comcast are now asking is fair)
“…..want the other guy’s to purchase the rights too, like they were going to broadcast to EVERYONE and not just the ones that want to watch…..” Yeah…that is true…but this true of everybody who subscribes to pay TV. You note that you pay for League Pass…..do you watch every game on it? Of course not. Are you being extorted? Of course not.
Look I want to be clear….I empathize with everyone who wants the games and can’t get them ….but demonizing Comcast because just for doing business seems misdirected. Remember that sports is a business (we hear this all the time) and this is America. If enough people want the deal(s) to get done they will….market forces will dictate it. I suspect that it will happen shortly
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on
Oct 12, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
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COINCAST wants . . .
All Charter Communications (Rogue Valley’s
exclusive cable company) subscribers to pay
$ 2.00 more per month in order to get COINCAST
Sports NW.
I spoke with a Vice President about three weeks
ago and he indicated that Charter wanted to put the
channel in a regional sports package and make it
an add-on for all those that want the channel. COINCAST
won’t go for their offer. Common sense says Charter
couldn’t charge all their subscribers another $ 2.00
per month for one channel or the 75 % of the people
who don’t care about sports would scream foul.
The cable vs. sattelite battle would see Charter losing
many subscribers in that case.
Why the sattelite companies won’t do a deal with
COINCAST, I have no idea. Anyone ???
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on
Oct 12, 2008 8:39 PM PDT
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That's why.......you have an idea
Comcast wants to charge the sattelites to fee for EVERYBODY in the subscription base, they don’t want them to stuff it in a sports package and only pay for what they distribute. Crooked if you ask me……..obviously, Directv has millions of subscribers……….many less Sports Package subscribers.
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by iDea on
Oct 13, 2008 7:37 AM PDT
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I appriciate your knowledge.
and it makes the most sense of the 1000’s of explinations of why, they can’t just hook me up…lol.
thank you and the rest of the contributers to the know how of the broadcasting shinanigins that are out there….
alot of these comment’s above, and below….
I feel ya. all of ya.
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by faith on
Oct 14, 2008 11:41 PM PDT
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Business Does Not Excuse Gouging
There is a difference between doing legitimate business and attempting to restrict trade by monopolizing a market. Comcast’s actions have shown that it does not care about doing legitimate business. Instead, it seeks to hold all the reins of trade, much as the Mafia demands protection money from shop keepers.
The following is from from "Lorelle at Word Press" at http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/comcast-now-restricts-bandwidth-data-transfer-levels/
"As of Wednesday this week, Comcast, the largest provider of broadband and DSL for Internet access in the United States is going to be restricting your data transfer levels to 250 gigabytes a month. According to Om Malik: With this move, the cable company will become the symbol of a new Internet era, one that is both monitored and metered. It is an era that threatens to limit innovation and to a large extent, the possibilities for new startups.
Many bloggers are part of online businesses and startups as well as suppliers of video, podcasts, and downloadable and uploaded files across the web. As web designs and WordPress Themes become more graphic and code dependent, increasing our bandwidth access levels, these limits impinge upon that grown and that access.
While WordPress Themes, Plugins, and Widgets account for very small levels of data transfer, what about a new WordPress user who wants to download and experiment with a lot of Themes and Plugins? Downloading more than a gig or two of WordPress stuff is rare, but if you add that to their other file downloads, like software, instant messaging, IRC, email, flickr, YouTube, podcasts, music, news, television, VoIP, and all the information and data that enters our world through our computers – those numbers add up fast.
I just moved from a satellite connection with a 17 gig limit. We hit the limit all the time and we weren’t downloading music or shows. I didn’t even download podcasts until I went on a trip. There were three of us using the web for our work. Download a few software programs, update your computer’s operating system, test out some Plugins, and it all adds up fast.
According to the White Paper, "today’s power users are tomorrow’s average users" with a predication that by 2012 we will be paying about $215 a month for Internet data access. Malik and others are fighting back with words in hopes of changing this "walled garden" limitation. I hope you join us in spreading the word.
The Web Must Be Free
The timing of this announcement comes the same time as the announcement of the new World Wide Web Foundation was announced. In the welcome statement, the founders, including Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web, stated:
‘The World Wide Web Foundation seeks to advance One Web that is free and open, to expand the Web’s capability and robustness, and to extend the Web’s benefits to all people on the planet. The Web Foundation brings together business leaders, technology innovators, academia, government, NGOs, and experts in many fields to tackle challenges that, like the Web, are global in scale.
One of the focuses of the World Wide Web foundation is to investigate, in its Web for Society program, how to lower the barriers of accessing the Web for people who are not able, today, to find accessible and usable information.’
While I’m totally in favor and support breaking down communication and language barriers, as well as all social, cultural, and technological barriers, the biggest barrier we have to fight is greed.
It’s getting harder and harder to find free access to the web. Someone has to pay. With belts tightening around the world, will Internet access be only for the rich?
The Internet was originally started and built on lines abandoned by the phone companies, the same companies who struggled to find ways of charging for that access after they realized they were missing out on the financial possibilities of connecting via the Internet and web. They have been looking under every rock to find ways of making money off this ‘web thing’ ever since.
Yes, we must pay for the continued growth and access to the web, but restricting bandwidth and data transfer hurts an economy already showing the flashing red danger signal.
Be warned, be aware, and let Comcast and others know that you do not want this. Fight back with your voice. Spread the word.
I remember when Arthur C. Clarke predicted that long distance telephone calls would be free by the end of the century. I thought it odd since he was a very intelligent man and he lived in the same world that I did, one where corporate greed controls everything. I couldn’t see such a thing as being possible, but with the web, it became possible. Will that freedom continue or will corporate greed continue to slip into our pockets?"
As long as we assume that corporate trusts have our best interests att heart, we’ll continue to experience more limitations on goods and services. I appreciate the time you took to explain business to me; however, there is a difference between business and a mugging. Comcast is mugging the basketball audience in the Northwest.
If you say "basically" at the beginning of a sentence, you probably also put ketchup on everything you eat.
by CosmoPlavix on
Oct 13, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
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Superb Post Cosmo!
Lots of great information in a well written form – you have done yourself proud.
Thank you for posting this. Your post should be as Green as the Jolly Green Giant! You have a rec from me.
LMA>LA! LMA is da MAN!
LaMazing! LaMarkable! LaMarvelous! LaMagnificent! LaMonster!
This is your year LMA – this is your year!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
Chris Morrisette - Trailblazer Troubadour Extraordinair!
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by LaMarvelous on
Oct 13, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
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This is the wrong economic time to be asking for a butt load of money Comcast
I am just hoping my local cable provider will stay in business, so I have TV, period.
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
by BlueBooYay on
Oct 12, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
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Now I'm thinkin'
Comcast being forced into Bankruptcy may be the way out of this mess.
"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
by BlueBooYay on
Oct 12, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
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Posted last month. . .
COINCAST Sports NW called me about billboard
availability in the Medford area. I’ve been very
outspoken about COINCAST and the crappy trio
of Charter Cable (majority stockholder -Paul Allen),
DirecTV (stole $ 50.00 from me last year) and
DishNetwork not getting a deal done. The Blazers
management made a BIG mistake in getting in
bed with COINCAST cable, a GIANT monopoly who
has pulled blackouts all over the US.
After attending 8-10 games for the last 20 + years,
I vowed to not give the Blazers, COINCAST & it’s
sponsors a dime of my money, until a deal is done.
I haven’t shopped at BiMart, Les Schwab, Taco Bell,
etc. since the BLACKOUT started and have called
their corporate offices to tell them of my disgust.
Join the BOYCOTT to fight the GREED of these
losers who couldn’t care less about the ordinary fan.
Well, they haven’t counted on the fight of the
BLAZERMANIAC !!!!
DOWN WITH COINCAST !!! GO BLAZERS TEAM !!!!
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on
Oct 12, 2008 2:36 PM PDT
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Thanks
Real action- like refusing to buy from the companies you mention- is the only way to get the suits off the dime. They don’t have a clue what it’s like to live with less.
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