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Batum for Webster?

Travis Owtlaw's play in the last to games seems to be making the biggest case for starting Batum in place of Outlaw, but Batum's play hasn't hurt that case either.  Batum has been solid the last two games, making good decisions, and has shown better defense and passing ability than Travis.  Outlaw on the other hand has struggled, clearly not comfortable in the starting lineup where his best atributes are wasted as the fourth option, and his weaknesses are exposed as a role player.  So why not try running Batum out there with the starting unit.  Let him keep Webster's seat warm until he returns and leave the rest of the rotation as is.  Outlaw's minutes would still increase, no doubt, and I could'nt see Batum playing more than about 20.  Batum wouldn't likely make a huge impact  on the starting unit, but he wouldn't hurt it either.  Then Roy and outlaw could stay right where they are, where they have been most successful.

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What to do with Batum?
Start him for Webster.
80 votes
Play him, but start Outlaw.
47 votes
Leave the rookie on the bench.
41 votes

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Batman would add

better team play (synergism). Batum is a better defender, passer, set-up man, and has a higher BBIQ than Outlaw. The first team doesn’t need another shooter (i.e. Outlaw).

by spencerbutte on Oct 10, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

I’ve been thinking Batum should start after the last two games as well. I think Trout would do better coming off the bench as the first or second option rather then being 4th or 5th. He doesn’t know what to do with himself if he isn’t scoring. Batum has REALLY impressed me with his defense and rebounding. When you think how skinny this kid is and then imagine him beefing up and gaining experience. I think KP is a genius. he is so good at finding arch types he likes (in this case Tayshaun Prince) and finding a similar build and skilled player. Batum was a SUPER score I can see it already. I want Martell starting when he recovers but for now I think Outlaw should continue to anchor the bench team and let Batum play defense on the starting unit.

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by Idog1976 on Oct 11, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't start either of them

I think a Blake/Rudy/Roy/LMA/Oden lineup would be interesting, and could end up working pretty well. By all accounts Frye is quicker and leaner than last year and has worked to become a 3-point shooter, so he could be in the competition for the staring SF job as well.

Outlaw is a terrible fit with the starting unit, and Batum is probably still a long way away from being one of our top 5 players.

by trk on Oct 10, 2008 11:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Either of the lineups you mentioned are preferable to starting Batum

He’s looking good, but the schedule to start the season is something you’ll need to deal with. Starting Batum present HUGE uncertainty. You’re lineups seriously reduce that.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now if Frye is ready to go

that is one thing. Also will Blake be ready by then? If those options are available then sure but i’m not sure we have that luxury. I don’t think Batum is your ideal starter but in a pinch, which we are in, he is a good choice given what we got. I don’t see him making huge mistakes mostly because he doesn’t go for what isn’t there on offense and has shown excellent basketball IQ. We HAVE to have a perimeter defender and Rudy/Roy/Blake does not give us that. I’m also not convinced that Frye at SF is realistic. Martell was the perfect fit but he’s down. I also like Rudy off the bench unless he and Roy are playing 1 and 2 with Bayless/Sergio as the backcourt off the bench. If Blake and Frye are healthy and ready that is one thing if not we will have to be flexible.

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by Idog1976 on Oct 11, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot to say.

Roy is obviously a decent perimeter defender but that’s just asking Roy to do even more coming off an injury. Frankly I would rather take some losses early on and give Batum some experience, then ask Roy to do so much that he gets more wear on tear in him in the early season. Remember Roy is coming back from surgery. I for one feel Roy/Oden/LMA’s health is worth more to me then a few games in November that are stacked against us anyways. You don’t want to play to lose but you also don’t want to win at the cost of health.

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by Idog1976 on Oct 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy should spell relief for Roy, allowing him to do 'other' things

I understand the trouble we’d ostensibly have with D. Three things come up with that:

1) Reciprocation: Roy would tear apart on offense. It’d move fast and fluid. We’d give up some extra points, but we’d also likely get more back than if Batum is in there. With GO and LMA roaming inside, it’s likely that our perimeter D won’t need as much shoring up as we thought last season. Thus, the advantage should fall to us against most teams with this lineup (Cleveland probably being the most obvious exception.

2) Rookiness: Batum looks like a baby because he is. He’s greener than a Mortimer comment. His very first NBA games he’d being sharing the guard on K*be. Now, Fernandez is a rookie too, but a much different one. We know he’s not starstruck. We know what we’ll get.

3) Relativity: The way to win in bball is to score more than your opponent. Great D in itseld doesn’t accomplish this task. Maximizing the relative difference does. There’s a function between the effeceincies of D and O. The sacrifice may be apparent on D with Rudy instead of Batum, but it may not be. We’re looking at marginal gain (legnth as opposed to seasoning) on the defensive end versus major offensive gain. It’s my contention that Rudy and Roy deliver an offensive punch unmatchable by other players on this team. Thus, (I’m guessing) the likelihood is for a higher relative scoring difference with Rudy in the lineup as opposed to Batum. Rudy’s offense > Batum’s D. I think we’ll likely see the same scenario even when Webster comes back.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

It sounds like I have Rudy at the SF sometimes, but I'm just looking at it as either Rudy or Batum

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting points.

It will be interesting to see who Nate goes with. Rudy will see MAJOR minutes I think that goes without saying.

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by Idog1976 on Oct 11, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for your "relative difference"

and “…greener than a Mortimer comment” remarks.

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 13, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Outlaw is a terrible fit on the whole team

And Ike may be odd man out as well….
     LA has been working on his outside shot too ( we have 6 players not counting Webster that can shoot the open outside shot as good or better than Outlaw and every one plays better “D” and come with a BBIQ…
      IMO, the players that do not fit on this team are Outlaw,Ike and Web (because he is broken and life as a Blazer is closing in on him in a hurry….someone on this team or from another, will need to fill this job…this year) a mentor for Batum (he is the real deal)

by 67 on Oct 11, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by ratbastird on Oct 16, 2008 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, normally I would disagree but it's spencerbutte saying this.

He was the only guy, as far as I know, who predicted that the Blazers would sign Batum way before anyone even really knew who he was. At first I thought he was crazy. A skinny kid from France? Then the Blazers actually worked him out, which sort of blew my mind. Then the Blazers actually went out of their way to steal Batum from the Spurs on draft day. I think the fact that the Spurs wanted him that bad says a lot. People are saying Batum looks like Travis Outlaw if he played great defense. Travis Outlaw + Defense is pretty much a description of Tayshaun Prince.

OK, so I still think it’s way too soon to think about giving Batum serious minutes, but I have learned from experience that spencerbutte is always right. He sees into the future. For all I know he is KP himself, or at least Mortimer with a dummy account.

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by Winchester on Oct 10, 2008 11:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Batum is better than Tayshaun in raw athleticism

Once he learns the NBA game (and his b’ball IQ will serve him well here) he might be just as good in most respects. And there we go: our lock down perimeter defender to carry us through at least our first three championships.

by Love on Oct 11, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batum was on my draft radar

And I was stoked when we stole him from SA who planed on puting him in the rotation from day one

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is true

KP is awesome

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have we pretty much settles on Mortimer as KP?

We should probably get a poll going.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That might be fun

Norkstrol seems to know every thing and posts at some pretty wierd times for a guy who says he’s in Europe

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to disappoint you, but in real life I am Isiah Thomas

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But I think I know who Bob Whitsitt is on Blazer’s Edge

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

do tell.

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by faith on Oct 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It had to be Pippen aint easy

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outlaw lacks more than just defense

Prince (and probably Batum as well) is also significantly better than Outlaw in basketball IQ and passing ability. Prince and Batum play within the flow of the team’s offense, while Outlaw is almost independent of the the rest of the team on offense.

by trk on Oct 11, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd see how batum does off the bench

don’t forget when we saw travis start roy wasn’t playing, and roy and travis ended the 4th together all last season, so its possible that outlaw could flourish in the starting role in a more familiar lineup

nor does travis seem like the kind of guy who is going to handle switching to the starting role on the 2nd night of a back to back with total grace, just be glad he’s got the time to figure it out before these games start to mean something..

by contemnor on Oct 11, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Travis played 4ths with Pryz at C

The added offense of Oden, the need for passing instead of iso plays may make him the odd man out in the new closing rotation. Nate emphasized offense in closing games last year. Sometimes that meant that Joel missed the ends of games, sometimes not. When he was in there, we REALLY needed the offense. The absence of Joel as an legitimate offensive player, and in particular, his inability to catch and pass the ball, we need iso style offense.

Do you see playing inside out or outside exclusively in the starting lineup? If it goes to Outlaw, it’s not going inside to LMA or Oden. If he learns to pass, that’d be AWESOME. His black holiness (that could be an awesome nick name) scares me much more than whatever his defensive failures are. While you’d have a fanatastic offensive option in Outlaw, he’d disrupt the rythm of the starting offense.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree...

with anything that you’re saying, but if nate starts batum he’s doing 2 things,
a) making travis unhappy
b) throwing batum out there in a situation he’s not likely to succeed at

i don’t think its a real viable option, and see either travis starting or sergio/rudy/roy starting with batum playing some minutes, so roy doesn’t have to play so much at the 3, travis may be a black hole but thats something we’re going to have to learn to deal with during the beginning of the season

I’m coming to the opinion that travis’s game is more limited by his asthma than his skills, things like cutting hard to the hoop, and shaking his defenders, playing hard nosed defense after running up the court, when he appears to need to take time off to catch his breath…

the only time i saw him this preseason was with rudy and sergio getting extended minutes and no roy, the way roy plays taking his time to see what the defense gives him is much more conducive to travis succeeding in his role, than the style i saw when it was rudy and sergio handling the ball, so i’m not entirely suprised he resorted to jacking up shots, (and given the tempo i’m not suprised he missed all but one of those) so i’m going to reserve judgment until i see travis out there with the slow unit as opposed to the fast unit… at least thats my forecast (a larger tempo change between the units than we’ve seen thus far)

i’m pretty bummed martell is out because him and rudy really seemed to go well together like rainbows and unicorns

by contemnor on Oct 12, 2008 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

His Black Holiness

LOL! Awesome moniker.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of am starting to

wonder if maybe this will happen. Although a big reason Webster was on the starting unit was for his outside jumper and his D. Batum has got the D down but does he pose the threat Web does from the outside?

by lethaldose on Oct 11, 2008 12:09 AM PDT reply actions  

leave the outside shooting to blake and roy

remember this is only a matter of weeks (10) not the entire season. Martell averaged what, 10 pt per game last season? If Roy bumps his aver. a bit as well as LMA and of course add 10 ppg from Oden (pryz ave 4 ppg) and that wil more than make up for webster being out.

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 11, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on that.

So maybe Batum is the guy. Truth is, I think he can really be good. He is young though, and regardless he will probably need time to develop and grow. But may not be that much of a liability. It is still the threat that Martell brings to drain the three, that keeps opposing defenses honest and stops them from always clogging the middle.

by lethaldose on Oct 11, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Outside shooting does more than just score points

It forces the defense to spread out more to guard the shooters, and that makes it easier for other players to score.

Re: Batum’s outside shooting
Batum shot 29% from the international 3-point line in the Euroleague last year. He’s not a good long-range shooter.

by trk on Oct 11, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm re-quoting my own transcript of what Nate said on Courtside (slight omissions)

Nate (asked about Nic and the three spot at the end of the interview).
“Awful young, awful young, but we have to look at that. We have to look at Nicholas. We have to look at Travis. We have to look at Rudy, possibly, in that lineup with Brandon and a guard. You know, so right now everything is in the air…” “I think Travis and Rudy possibly in that starting lineup is right now at the top of the list. And then Nicolas coming in, possibly… and playing some backup small forward. But we definitely will see a Brandon – Rudy combination at the two – three early in the season”.
http://fans.trailblazers.com/mp3/NateOnCourtside100908.mp3

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Correction: He said “Rudy – Brandon at the two – three”, so Brandon at SF.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nate didn't rule Mantis out

he worries about his youth. Jus saying. Mantis better equipped to defend the 3 than Rudy. … ….yeah Batum Is 19 almost 20. …

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

what was the date on that.

i mean batum is young but he’s been playing forever and he has proven that he has an extrememly highly bb iq (more than travis i think) which has shown in the last two games.

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 11, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thursday

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

your'e biased not sure if u should be in this discussion

u not got some connection with the state dept. n hangin Nic’s momz visa up r u?

jk :-)

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

everyone is bias! :)

are you mocking my “text type”? Not nice .

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

No I was not mocking you

If memory serves me I had swigged a beer or two when I posted that :-/.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh cool cool I was only half serious b/c I always type in text type when im lazy

:) Just another pitfall of owning a sidekick.

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

me 2 ;-)

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got a stupid iPhone though

I am not liking the touch screen keyboard much.

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get a G1 (Google Phone) or Sidekick or HTC or Blackberry with a fixed or slide-out keyboard

…and you won’t like something else like the size or the missing multi-touch or another great usability feature. That being said, the first manufacturer to introduce a way to put tactile keyboards on a phone screen wins big time. But it’s really hard to invent something for this. A former company of mine patented a keyboard that gets projected by a tiny laser onto a flat surface like a table, but even that isn’t perfect since again: No tactile feedback that informs the user if he has already pushed a button.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to carry 2 phones I think

I have an idle line. Keep the iPhone for Internet browsing and a sidekick for the tactile keyboard

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by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

i voted to start batum but

there is nothing i like better than channing lamarcus out there at the same time and with greg it would be tough rebounding for the other team.

by riccc_l on Oct 11, 2008 3:52 AM PDT reply actions  

That would be interesting but

pretty slow. I’d rather we start Rudy and play an up-tempo game instead.

by VinnyB on Oct 11, 2008 6:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I heard Kevin on Courtside as well

And like Norkstroll it was very telling that Nate’s very first words when asked about this were “Awful young, awful young”

KP & Nate see Batums’ very promising potential, but realize they must not rush him in. He could actually regress with his confidence if he were to just be thrown to the NBA caliber wolves before he is actually ready. This means during the first half of this season he will see spot time at best no matter what the circumstances. The fruits of managements patience now could show up by next years camp, and frankly that would be way ahead of the schedule we expected just a few short weeks ago. Again, we now see that KP somehow has plucked another plum from the lower limbs of the draft tree. And like the Rudy flower taken from Phoenix, we all must bide our time and wait for this one to mature. Only difference is that Batum will be sitting on our bench instead.

Repeat after me do not rush him.

I say put Rudy at the 3 spot not Roy.

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by Heymoe on Oct 11, 2008 8:01 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

However Rudy could never REALLY guard a 3

Brandon is the better defender . he will move to the 3 if anyone does .
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 11, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree butt......

Rudy’s D is most likley not going to be steller this year at the 2 or 3. Rudy would wreak havoc with his constant motion style at the 3. And Roy would not take so much of a beating trying to guard a bigger man. Blake and Roy can handle the perimeter.

Make sure that Rudy steers his man into one Mr. Oden awaiting, that should lighten his load and free him up to take off and run on the other end. Let’s play to our strengths; Oden can dominate the paint and Rudy can flat out run the fastbreak. Perhaps keep LMA inside tight with GO.

Worth the experiment I say.

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by Heymoe on Oct 11, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes. Now. I predict someday Rudy can not give up

an inordinate amount to some 3’s. But not this year. Rudy as 6th man this year. He will start someday tho. He too good.

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't hurt to put Nic out there and see how he does.

If he plays well, give him more minutes. If he falters, reduce his minutes. What’s wrong with that approach?

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by MiledAnimal on Oct 13, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defense...

I start the better defender. Given equal defensive capabilities, I side on Batum only because Outlaw can come off the bench and shoot loads. No one will be looking for Batum to carry any offensive load.

In general, though, I have to believe that Outlaw in six season is better than Batum in his first at almost all phases of the game.

If that’s NOT the case… well, then it oughtta be curtains for Outlaw very shortly.

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by Phizbin on Oct 11, 2008 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

the options in the poll are too limited

others have brought up the idea of a revised starting lineup now that Webby is gone for two months.

One option is as you say to start Batum in place of Webby and leave the other slots undisturbed.

The other option is to play Rudy in the first unit with Roy and Blake. Let Roy play SF and play Rudy at the 2. Bring in Outlaw with the second unit and let him share the court with Bayless/Rodriguez, Frye/Diogu and Pryz.

We could also play Outlaw at PF and have him on the floor with Frye or Batum at SF.

by Love on Oct 11, 2008 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Batum is 3 years away from being a starter

If he starts this year, then the Blazers are in serious trouble and Coach Nate has already given up all hope of making the playoffs.

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by tominhawaii on Oct 11, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Although not optimum, I will disagree

if Outlaw continues to struggle. Da kid is an athletic phenom. Call it OTJT. The concern I would have is Nicolas mentally. But but he has played in somewhat high profile situations already…

I do wonder what was his summer league performance…???

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

dang iPhone! Wonder what was up at summer league? .

I’m going to get another crackberry to communicate with n carry the iPhone on another line for Internet. Make it so.

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was OK in summer league

Not good and not bad. I read somewhere that he’s improved a lot since then. We already got a rookie center starting, I don’t want any other rookies starting. I bet Coach Nate feels the same way.

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by tominhawaii on Oct 11, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

With you

But Channing will be back before the opener and remember Martell will be back sometime in Nov.so its a bandage till then.Batum will get some of those minutes and I would like to see what he can do against Kobe for a few but start when you have Roy or Frye? No way

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree to some extent

My concern about the kid is we saw on Wed. the good things he can do but his weaknesses have yet to be exposed (and trust me, as a 19 year old rookie they’re there). It won’t take but a game or two for opposing scouts to see them and exploit them.

I’m sure Nate already knows them and it’d be better if the weaknesses stay in practice until they’re gone. That’d be better for the team and better for The Mantis’ mental health.

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by LaughingJon on Oct 11, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they think the 3 position will be the key to the playoffs

then they are in serious trouble …this is the weakest spot on the team ….and even though he is young, he still may be the best 3 ( team wise)…..So the blazers, as a team, have to carry the weakness at the 3 spot. This may be from others on the team, but for sure, it will be easier to carry Batum than Outlaw. Offense vs defense…Batum wins hands down (or up, if you will)

by 67 on Oct 12, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outlaw is more effective off the bench.

.

Batum is a surprise. I wouldn’t want to put undue pressure on him, but if he could handle it…the pressure that is…if Travis continues to struggle I think starting Batum has to be considered. Get his mom’e visa squared away for goodness sake! Rudy’s doing ok. Nothing like home cooking from mom.

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

isn't batum like a 2 year pro?

I don’t think we could add too much more pressure than he won’t be able to handle. But I never played in the nba.

or for my highschool team for that matter. k…removing my foot from my mouth now.

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by faith on Oct 11, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is a 2-year pro

But he was pretty inconsistent during those 2 years and hasn’t always responded well to pressure. I think it’s best if we try to avoid putting too much pressure on him too soon.

by trk on Oct 11, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The answer is...

start Blake, Rudy & Roy. I don’t care which you call the sf, they’re fairly interchangable. Rely on LMA & Oden/Joel to make up for defensive weaknesses and BRR’s basketball IQ to mask their physical limitations.

Travis is best when left in his comfort zone (i.e. coming firing off the bench).

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by LaughingJon on Oct 11, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Travis would be better off

As a starter in Memphis and we would be better off with their lottery pick[after Martell get back}.

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Man that was blunt

but it might be true. Travis would have a lot of fun on a bad team. Memphis isn’t the best place for him. Minne would be better. I want him to learn team ball and stay on the Blazers, but I’m confident Outlaw’s career would be both more profitable and more fun if he played on a bad team.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The most desirable lottey picks

Are Memphis,NY and Bobcats.OK already has Durant and wouldnt want or need him.

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

travis is from mississippi right?

memphis tennesse wouldn’t be but a hop skip and a jump. He’d be closer to home anyway.

we like lottery picks.

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by faith on Oct 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH SERIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE AWESOME

Those places look to have better trades. I was just looking at where he’d have more fun (only while playing, not whilst living) and fit in with the team.

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by hobobob on Oct 11, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be simply amazing

Rubio, Rudy and Rodriguez. We’d have gold and silver metal guys on our team! (counting Nate)

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by Idog1976 on Oct 11, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about...

revisiting the Mike Miller deal. Maybe Travis and Diogu for Miller and their #1 next year. Then you plug in Miller at the 3 with your starting lineup to make up for the absence of Websters 3-ball and when Webster comes back you’re even a better shooting team. Give Miller 32 minutes or so and do whatever you want with the other 16 min. until Webby is back. I think Miller makes like 8 mil a year so Diogu or someone would have to be thrown in to make salaries match but that would also free up a roster spot for Randolf.

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by TubbaDubba on Oct 11, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats right...

I forgot about that.

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by TubbaDubba on Oct 11, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Memphis want Outlaw?

It seems like Memphis already has a rich-man’s version of Travis Outlaw with Rudy Gay.

by trk on Oct 11, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not that I think it will happen, but he could replace Hakim Warrick as the starting PF

A poor-man’s version of Travis. And back up Gay if needed.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 11, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Travis has not impressed me

Whenever he starts he does not seem to be in flow or have a good impact. Batum is just a kid and nobody knows how he will do. we need to see more of those 2 as starters in preseason to see if they can show up in a real game as a starter

by bowdown on Oct 11, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Truth

you speak yes you do.

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by G_dubs on Oct 11, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Starting lineup

Our 4 best players are Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and Fernandez. It seems like they all complement each other well, and I don’t see any good reasons why we shouldn’t start all 4 of them. Oden is obviously a center, and Aldridge is clearly a power forward. Roy and Fernandez are both versatile enough that we could play them either at SF/SG, or at SG/PG. From a defensive standpoint, I think we would be a little better off playing them at the guard positions together with a SF, but only if the SF is as good as the best available PG would be. Therefore, the main candidates for the 5th starting position are:

Steve Blake: Blake is a veteran PG who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes or cause a lot of turnovers. He is solid defensively, passes well, and can hit the outside shot. He isn’t able to create his own shot effectively, but that isn’t as important when playing together with 4 dynamic scorers. When he gets healthy he should be the front-runner for the final starting position.

Channing Frye: Frye is the biggest of the players vying for the 5th staring position, and is by far the best rebounder. He has been pretty inconsistent in his career up until now, but when he is at his best he clearly looks like a starting quality player. He is an efficient jump-shooting forward who has shown that he can play within the flow of the offense. He worked hard on extending his range out beyond the 3-point line over the summer, but his new outside shooting ability has not yet been tested in actual games. He lost some weight over the summer and that should improve his mobility, but it remains to be seen if he is quick enough to defend NBA small forwards.

Travis Outlaw: Outlaw is arguably the most athletic player competing for the 5th starting position. He has shown he can be effective as a volume scorer due to his ability to elevate over opponents and get off his jump shot. However, he is not particularly efficient, and his shot creation ability will be less important playing with the other starters. Not a very good passer, and though he gets a good amount of blocks he isn’t really a good defender. He would probably be better off continuing to come off the bench where his ability to create his own shot will be more valuable.

Sergio Rodriguez: Rodriguez is a pass-first point guard who can make some dazzling passes. He has been effective playing together with Fernandez, and frequently throws alley-oop passes to him when they are playing together. He was not a very good shooter last year, although he has made an effort to improve over the summer. Because of his poor shooting, he was not very effective playing off the ball last year which was a major liability when playing together with Brandon Roy. He is also turnover prone, and not a good defender.

Jerryd Bayless: Bayless is a score-first rookie combo guard who is effective both at shooting and at getting to the rim. He also plays tenacious on-ball defense. On the other hand, he is not as good at distributing the ball as Blake or Rodriguez, and his scoring will probably be less important playing together with the starters. He is a rookie, and frequently makes the sort of mistakes that you expect rookies to make (like turnovers).

Nicolas Batum: Batum is a very raw rookie small forward. He seems to have a good basketball IQ and has a lot of potential as a defender. However, he is a poor shooter and I think he has a ways to go before his defensive potential is fully realized. He has been pretty inconsistent in his career up to this point, and it might not be a good idea to try to put too much pressure on him too soon.

by trk on Oct 11, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Re starting squad

Blake will be the starting PG if he gets healthy b4 Oct. 28 th . We dont have any evidence that suggests Rudy and Blake will have the same chemistry as say Rudy and Sergio.

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

As far as the 3 choices given

To start Batum now seems to be the best choice. Try something new, now, in the preseason. Maybe, just maybe through the thick fog of unclarity that seems to surround Outlaws noggin, he might see what is making Batum successful. Because as far as pure talent goes, Outlaw still takes the cake out of all the SF hopefuls… maybe that is why we are all so frustrated. Because he could be so much more and he’s not!

Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???

by Ike_o_rama! on Oct 11, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

No problem with starting Nic

In a preseason game but against the Lackers in the opener?

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not, its not as if anyone other than Brandon will guard Kobe anyway...

Martell never got that assignment. LOL

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Channing who[good news]will be back next is a good matchup with Odem

 If they try the Kobe at the 3 okedok I hope and expect Nate to give a him a few minutes and see what he can do

by southern oregon on Oct 12, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

no roy or rudy at sf

I would hate to see roy get worn by playing sf and nate said that rudy is not a 3. I just feel it’s got to be travis or batum untill martel gets back. It wont be too long after the season starts, I bet he heals fast.

by twggyy on Oct 11, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

If Travis goes into a pout

When he is not handed the starting job that he hasent earned its time for KP to make phone calls.

by southern oregon on Oct 11, 2008 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Big +1

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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 12, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

SF By Committee

Given Coach McMillan’s consumate ability to diagnose and exploit matchups, I expect the SF role to be played by a committee consisting of Roy, Batum, Outlaw, and perhaps even Frye at times, depending on who can give us the biggest advantage. This might allow Outlaw to stick with the white unit for most games, where his game has the most value to the team.

This is not particularly great from a consistency perspective, but perhaps there is a silver lining. Near the end of last week’s podcast Dave said the playoffs was about finding a way when the opponent takes away your first, second, and third options. Webster’s injury will help the team learn to deal with the kind of adversity they will face in the playoffs.

by jaywalker on Oct 12, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

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