Junk (Oct. 1)
by parkinglotj on Oct 1, 2008 12:22 AM PDT
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Just watched two games back to back.
First I put in the Gold medal game to see if my memory was correct. I shook my head as Rudy carried Spain for much of the game. Then I jumped up again when he dunked on Howard. I got that giddy feeling again.
Next I found the Summer league game against the Suns. Wow! Bayless was the best player out there and it wasn't close. That guy is just a monster. Maybe we should compare him to something dangerous and aggressive...Maybe like, I don't know...a T-Rex. Yeah, that's a good comparison!
I highly recommend replaying the games before the season starts.
I am so excited about these rookies. And I didn't even include Oden.
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Did you watch Casey's live blog?
Almost everyone he talked to was not that stoked about nick names.
http://www.nba.com/blazers/2008_media_day.html
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 3:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying to slow the onslaught of BEdgers posting nickname fanposts
is like diverting an aircraft carrier with a rowboat.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREGARIOUS!!!
I’m just gonna have to repeat it til it sticks.
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should try that with the Great Pooper
Or maybe Poopy McOden.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the rowboat is full of explosives
it just might work.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Oct 1, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team to beat in the Northwest Division. I hate them already.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Says you
They are the team “that will be beat.”
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are both
the team to beat and the team that will be beaten.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 1, 2008 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger says they will be the #1 in the West
I highly doubt that…
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll be up there. Maybe not #1.
Utah are good. I really hope the Blazers sweep the season series on these guys. That Deron Williams is quite the player for that team. So they’ll definetly be up there in the West and the league. Maybe not #1.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Oct 1, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only intimidating thing in that photo are Boozers eyebrows
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kirilinko's (sp?) hair
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 1, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like AK. He looks like my nephew.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like AK, those are my initials
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They look like cheesy '80s supervillans
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 1, 2008 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Instead they are cheesy super-villains born in the 80s
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it looks like they only have 2 balls between the 5 of them...we should be fine.
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Oct 1, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
something is wrong with the shape of ronnie brewers head
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see them get punk'd by the Blazers.
Okur and AK are too soft… heady players no doubt, but they will get banged up by our boys.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 1, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK isn't soft, but he is a head case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRfUXYwloIU
Ok, maybe he is a little soft.
by tweener on Oct 1, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
General Zod
That’s who Mehmet Okur reminds me of in that team photo.
Let’s ban the Jazz to the Phantom Zone.
by DonkeyShins on Oct 1, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
totally. That was exactly what I was thinking!
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 1, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so stern
someone should tickle them.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Oct 1, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the Bayless video on ESPN?
I accidentally posted this in Mark Twain’s diary.
I just saw it for the first time. Bayless said he doesn’t care about assists, and all he wants to do is score. He said something like, "Screw my teammates, I gotta get mine."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 6:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's about time he showed a little confidence.
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every successful team needs a resident head-case
Bayless is ours. A very mild form since this franchise has proven they couldn’t handle the more severe forms (Miles, Wallace, Zach, …). But still he is the aberration, the itch. You need that to win big. LA had a whole collection headlined by Kobe. Boston has KG. San Antonio had Stephen Jackson when they won, and even Steve Kerr said that was a necessary evil.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your name has been taken.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
by timbo on Oct 1, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally made that quote up
Folks need to not take what I say serious.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooooooooooo.....
you are now saying we don’t have a guy named Jerryd Bayless on the team? Sheeeesh. Next thing we’ll find out that “tominhawaii” is not your real name.
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
My link was legit. It’s is Bayless talking to SAS light.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't click the link.
I subscribe to the “Less is More” theory when it comes to knowledge and information.
Furthermore, all my posts should be taken very, very seriously.
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you offended
by naked squirrels?
Fear no longer, the solution is here.
""I am tired after all the travel, but after seeing the fans I just felt like heading straight to the gym to begin practicing." - Rudy 9.22.08
by jorga on Oct 1, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, thank God!
I was waiting for someone to come up with this.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 1, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if those will fit my dog
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta protect yer nuts.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 1, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Dave wrote about the Wizards and "Don't Freak Out" I thought about a Spanish freaky wizard.
I didn´t want to go off topic in the Home Page, so here it is. Hope you like it.
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
by amlmart1 on Oct 1, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome! Although when you said wizard I was thinking more of Gandalf r Harry Potter.
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Oct 1, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not bet...
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
by amlmart1 on Oct 1, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear
Around the 30 second point, he says, “shuffle the dick,” and does a chopping motion on his hand. I had to stop watching after that.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ducks are like 10 times better than OSU
So I imagine they’ll blow out USC this weekend.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah right
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 1, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG you are soo correct
"i'll try to find 'em- an' i'll breeng um too yuh"- Sarah Palin
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 1, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
parkinglotj you and I should be best friends we watch the same things
I too have been watching Rudy dominate (after not starting!) in the Gold Medal game, there was this one period of 30 seconds or so when he got a rebound, dished to Gasol for a dunk, then on the next possesion broke out in front of the pack for a 3 to bring Spain within 2 points! I have a Spanish broadcast version and the announcer’s are FREAKING out! “Just 6’5”, a skinny kid throws it down over the best player’s in the world!"
And the Bayless games were amazing, I got to try and track those DVD’s down.
Ducks Vs. USC, don’t count the ducks out, but I expect USC to come out and bruise with something to prove.
I was watching the games I recorded during THE STREAK and am getting really antsy for opening night. I keep itching but this scratch persists! I need basketball!
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are you watching the recorded games off a DVR
or VHS or what? I was thinking of getting a DVD recorder to record the games off my DVR, but I’ve heard that won’t work.
by DrivetheLane on Oct 1, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dvr
its the only thing I saved. My wife uses the rest of the room for movies.
by parkinglotj on Oct 1, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you SHOULD be able to record them off your DVR to your DVD as long as the feed is just like watching tv
I sold TV’s and such so mine is hooked up to record off the sat into the DVR and my DVR just happens to be a DVD burner as well, spoiled yes I know, but seriously, the DVR is AWESOME! I finally broke down and bought one after my beta player went out /s
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will work
won’t be HD but it will work
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Oct 1, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE PROPOSAL!
Since Dave is a big bully and won’t let us post trades in the fanposts, I’m going to settle and post mine here.
We have lots of pieces. Tons of young talent. We can pretty much trade for anybody, right? Well let’s make this roster happen. Our slogan can be “Portland—A Rebirthing”
C – Rasheed Wallace || Theo Ratliff
PF – Zach Randolph || Jermaine O’Neal
SF – Darius Miles || Jamal Mcgloire
SG – Bonzi Wells || Qyntel Woods
PG – Sebastian Telfair || Damon Stoudamire
Make it happen KP
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 1, 2008 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
only if you add Ruben Patterson to the mix
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget JR Ryder! And tell him to bring his pop can!
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good suggestions, but I think Ruben's retired.
and I know J.R. is. Bummer!
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 1, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Billy Ray Bates still play?
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 1, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it.
Unless it works in the Trade Machine.
In that case I would be all for it.
Is Qyntel still playing somewhere?
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bologna as far as I know (the town rivals of Petteri's team, but not the same one)
He got kicked out by Olympiakos for smoking a controlled substance, and was replaced by Childress despite being All-Star game MVP and a fan favorite.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a reason not to buy nba live 09.
Scroll down to the simulated season prediction here. The game is obviously flawed in a huge way.
by postup on Oct 1, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As disappointing as not making the playoffs would be...
regressing and winning only 39 games would make me absolutely distraught.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 1, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if you click on the season details
they have L*kers over…..Heat(?!?!?!) in the finals. I’d say their over valuing Beasley a little bit.
by DrivetheLane on Oct 1, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choke Gag Die, Did they honestly think Beasley will play more then 3 years
I meant 3 games before he pulls a Ricky Wiliams!?
# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."
by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Worst season simulation of all time! They have the Heat winning the East and having the best record. Philadelphia and washington not making the eastern playoffs, while Charlotte, Chicago, and Miami do! As for western conference they have Denver at #4 and the Clippers at #7, while Utah and PDX are left out, (that is not even mentioning that PDX wins only 33 games).
by usmcr3049 on Oct 1, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty amazing how wrong everyone else in the world got it. I wonder if Micky Arison (HEAT owner) owns NBALIVE or something.
"They are all human. There's nobody I'm really scared of, or worried about playing against." -- Bayless
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Oct 1, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about simulations is
that for them to be worthwhile, you need to simulate the thing multiple times to arrive at the expected result. This probably was a the result of a single simluated season and not the result of them simulating say 15 seasons and then posting the average results.
by tingeyga on Oct 1, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or they haven't updated their NBA database in two years.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is why...
I will buy nba 2k9, not nba live 09.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
by danevan on Oct 1, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares, you could win a season with the Thunder in Live or 2k if you wanted
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am buying 2k9 for sure
If you haven’t seen this, watch now. I mean NOW. You’ll see what I mean.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 1, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fan post "list"?
is this a new option?
I open the fan posts, and I get this strange alien format of a list of fanposts….instead of the cool read the whole post and then comment if I want too with the “new” format I actually have to click the title to get to the substance…weird….
I figured out how to change it back, but?…is it a new option?
appoligies if it is…. I’m new to the actual features of our cool gizmo ladden site.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on Oct 1, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lost in all the Oden Anklegate news was this tibit from the Columbian
http://www.columbian.com/article/20081001/BLOGS05/810019970/-1/blazerbanter
One player failed the conditioning test, I wonder who it could be, one of the new guys, or dare we think it could be Travis again!!!!
by usmcr3049 on Oct 1, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barret has that lil tidbit listed on his blog updated this am
thanks though :)
"i'll try to find 'em- an' i'll breeng um too yuh"- Sarah Palin
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe GO
and his bum ankle?
""I am tired after all the travel, but after seeing the fans I just felt like heading straight to the gym to begin practicing." - Rudy 9.22.08
by jorga on Oct 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for Steven Hill
All that hair creates a lot of weight and drag.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising that Bayless wasn't mentioned to be fast
He had a 3.07 in the 3/4 court sprint at the pre-draft camp, which is a tick faster than D-Wade. And that guy is nicknamed “flash”.
Maybe Rex was a little tired from the morning practice.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the guy who failed, I have no idea
I wanted to say Ike, but the guy was as fast as LMA (at least before his NBA injuries).
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then the rest of the ACB would fail, too, cause he regularly out-ran everyone. And Sergio was supposed to be one of the fastest.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that makes me angry
at Hollinger is his use of the age argument between the Jazz and the Blazers. The average age on the 2008-2009 Blazers is 23.9 , while the average age of the 2008-2009 Jazz is 24.9. Frankly, the only major difference is the Jazz have two 32-year-olds instead of one, but only one of them plays.
Yet, Hollinger has to say about the Blazers:
The thing people forget about last year is everything went right for the Blazers — most of their players played well above their career norms and nobody got hurt after Oden went out. Going forward, one can’t be quite as optimistic, especially given Roy’s repeated knee trouble and the fact Frye is already out.
While about the Jazz he says:
Additionally, they’re still on the upswing. Williams is 24, Boozer is 26, and every key player except Harpring is in his 20s. Okur and Korver are both likely to have better years than a season ago, but nobody except perhaps Harpring projects to sharply regress.
So basically, he seems to say that a good season by young Blazers players is “catching all the breaks,” while a good season by young Jazz players is “being on the upswing.”
I understand that we are adding new pieces which will result in growing pains, and that these new pieces are some of the most important to our team. But it seems like he is being hypocritical in the way he is viewing the success of young players.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jazz have playoff experience, we don't
Blake and Joel have a few games, but that’s almost nothing. The Jazz’ core went deep almost every year. I think that’s what he alludes to.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...OK....
Playoff experience is great for the playoffs. But we have regular season experience.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was poorly worded
I can definitely understand how playoff experience will make a significant difference in the playoffs. But our guys got valuable experience in grinding out the long, 82-game season last year. So while I agree that the Jazz’s playoff experience will probably give them a nice edge in the playoffs, I don’t think it will give them that great of an advantage in a battle for the Northwest Division.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say playoff experience does carry-over into the next regular season.
And it’s not like the Jazz were one-and-out in the playoffs. They’re battle-tested and have tasted success at a high level. It breeds confidence and refines your game, which makes you a better team in the regular season.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
And as I said, I’m not necessarily denying the fact the Jazz may well be a better team than the Blazers this year.
It was more in the way that he portrayed each team’s outlook for the year (Quite positively for the Jazz, Negative Nancy for Portland) that rubbed me.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know man, I think Hollinger has the Jazz two or three spots too high (did I say that already in the fanshots?)
Yet I would believe his statement that the Jazz are more in their prime than the Blazers, even though technically they are not much older as a team.
If I look at their team photo above, I think “hey, individually we are better on three positions”. But as a team, they just function extremely well especially at home. They also made probably the best trade deadline acquisition that nobody talked about last year: Kyle Korver. Don’t laugh, I know he blows on defense, but his outside shooting and closing out of games with free throws was just what they needed and what Philly was dearly missing after letting him go.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did function extremely well at home.
But for that matter, so did we. As a younger team. Without a player whose incredible, instant impact has yet to be measured.
Sounds like its the old “cautious tempering of expectations” vs. “hopeful, yet thoughful optimism” argument.
Can we at least agree on hoping I’m right?
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cautiously optimistic
Going through the schedule, I had us winning 46 if I remember correctly, which I guess would be enough for being 8th or 7th in the West this year.
So Hollinger is not that far off from that, and I guess unlike The Committee of One (Marc Stein) he has crunched a lot of numbers how many wins you will need in the West to reach which spot. That he says the Blazers will be 8th AND Stein comes to the same prognosis by discussing it just with his own experience watching the NBA and doing these power rankings for years actually should be encouraging to us.
If Greg is (a rookie version of) David Robinson, Bayless is Gilbert Arenas and Rudy is Kevin Martin right out of the gate, more power and a better playoff spot to them. It’s just not that likely everyone will be amazing in the first year while all other guys perform on at least the same level as last year. As Dave and others are saying, adding 10 wins from 40 to 50 is even harder than from 30 to 40, which is what we achieved last year.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but 1 game?
1 game?
Oden, Bayless, Fernandez, Pryz as a dirty backup, Frye, Aldridge, Outlaw all playing their true positions, and another year of experience?
1 game?
Word.
by joelor on Oct 1, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in the sense that
Hollinger seems to be docking us a few games from this season because he refuses to accept that the Blazers were a .500 team last season.
Oh well, who cares? I’m predicting 55 wins and I’m sticking with that bubble until reality pops it.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
62 Wins
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by tominhawaii on Oct 2, 2008 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one BIG bubble.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Oct 2, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not feeling enought homerism on this blog
So I decided to kick it up a notch.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 2, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think predicting 62 wins is homerism
you’re a hater.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like a lot of people here are expecting something to go wrong.
I’m expecting something incredible to happen.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 3, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm expecting good
as in 55. If bad things happen, 50. If very bad things happen, fewer. If everything goes right, who knows? The talent is there, the leadership is there, the depth is there, the coaching is there.
It probably is homerism to expect 62. It isn’t homerism to see that it could happen if everything goes right.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect 62 wins
I demand 62 wins.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 3, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT reply to (apparently OT discussion) in another thread
I still don’t get your point, actually. I had a roommate back in my university days who was Jewish. He and I called each other all kinds of names, and had so much fun with it. He would never have been offended by someone using certain terms. We had this private understanding that it wouldn’t be done in public, because people wouldn’t understand.
But if someone did it on a public forum (and this did happen), he was one of the first to speak up and say, "That’s offensive to Jews, you know." He wouldn’t have even been speaking for himself, personally. He would just have been saying that a lot of people in that group would find it offensive, and it’s better to not go there.
Do you think he was wrong to say, "That’s offensive to Jews"?
Do you think there should be any restrictions on offensive words? How about the N word? Do you think it is ok to use words that are offensive to religious groups, but not use words that are offensive to racial groups? If so, why?
I’m not trying to beat you up, I’m trying to get your point here. It doesn’t make sense to me. wrote:
The problem I have is not solely that the use of JC’s name as a swear word was questioned.
My main problem is that this was the interior monologue of a FICTIONAL character. If Ben had led a post with “J——- C——-!! Greg Oden hurt his ankle!!” Prez would be well within his rights to say, “Tone down the language, I find that offensive.”
But this wasn’t a case like that.
This was the fictional thinking of young man from a well-to-do Protestant background. And for such a character, the usage was appropriate (I have extensive experience with that group, having attended a well-off Episcopal parish, and having a father-in-law who is a retired Episcopal Dean, who uses the phrase on occasion as an explitive).
As for the N Word, or slurs against Jews or any other religious or racial group, no it isn’t okay. In the slightest.
I have never, and will never, use them. Ever (including if I had a roommate/ friend from one of those groups).
But, if I’m writing a character who is a WWII-era Nazi, HE might (and probably would) use them. And for someone to call me racist, or ask me to change the language, because of something my character (realistically) said is wrong. Very very wrong. And a danger to a free society.
And about using JC’s name in vain, it is upsetting to a (very vocal) minority of Christians, but is acceptable in all forms of media I’m aware of. Society has deemed it a mild oath, and so, right or wrong, that’s what it is in this country.
It is not a slur, it is not meant to intimidate or cow anyone, and so it should be left to society as a whole to determine appropriateness, not just a minor part of a portion of that society.
To use your Judaism analogy, this would be akin to saying something that was deemed offensive by a Hassidic Jew (and not many others) and having them respond, “We Jews find this offensive!” when really, it’s just Hassidic Jews who are offended.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 1, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang, double dang
It didn’t keep the BOLD long enough.
It’s supposed to be up to the “I’m not trying to beat you up” Line.
So very very sorry.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 1, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you replying here to a thread there?
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by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom told him and jscot to move their junk into the trunk
But now I want to jump in.
ThinWhiteDuke, I really encourage you to watch this. Yes, it’s 10 minutes long, but watch it anyway. Let me know what you think.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 1, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is just so not my thing
Let’s put it this way, when a dissenting opinion was posted (not impolite, just disagreeing), the response was, “That last post was of the Devil”.
We’re just so far apart on the practical application of spirituality, that I highly doubt it would be productive to continue the discussion.
But I really do now understand that you really were offended and defending a perceived sacrilege. I still don’t understand why you made a sexist comment in another thread, in the exact same manner Ben made his comment and don’t see any hypocrisy, but I’ll let it go.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for moving this.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 2, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I’ve never been so moved.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 2, 2008 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for understanding my view
God is just so high and so holy, that even his name shouldn’t be used lightly. In Matthew 12:36 it says that we will be judged for every idle word and will have to give an account on judgement day for what we’ve said. So yeah, I think we definitely should avoid using God’s name carelessly.
As far as listening to someone else say it, I kinda’ try to be careful about that too.
Psa 119:63 says, “I am a companion of all those who fear You, And of those who keep Your precepts.”
At the very least, I don’t want to be with people who continue to blaspheme the name of God. Ultimately, the hope is that they would fear Him and keep His precepts.
But anyway, I apologize for generalizing a people group, some of whom don’t hold my view. Next time I’ll say I was offended. ;-)~
As for the other things, I think we both know the “sexist” thing was pure silliness. If Tom was really offended, I certainly would have apologized, but I think most of us knew I was just poking fun at a WRONG stereotype of women. Not at Tom or at his wife—-at the stereotype. Which, as far as that goes, you can poke fun at me, my family, my friends…but God is on a level a bazillion times higher than us, so I think that’s a wee bit different.
And as far as Ben goes, I appreciate that he was sensitive to the viewpoints of others. +1 for him.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 2, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you that we should avoid using God's name carelessly
And do not do so myself. I disagree that it is my place to judge others. That is between them and God. I do not insist (or even ask) that my friends and family share my religious views, to me that’s an intrusion.
I also have never hoped someone would “fear” God, and have that be a catalyst for a behavior change. I believe that personal morality, or living according to your personal code, should be the basis of decision-making, not the fear of retribution. Fear has no place in my relationship with God.
I DO however think of sexism, racism, etc as on an equal plane as sacrilege. I am just as unlikely to be guilty of one as any of the others, again because I apply my personal code of ethics, not because of fear of retribution from any source, be it secular or holy.
Again, I admire your strength of faith, but disagree with too much of the actual manifestation of that faith to find much common ground.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 2, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’d have to figure out what that name is first!
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by Y5k on Oct 2, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with THAT
Great article by the way.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 2, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I understand
I still think you are missing something.
If you use a character that is a WWII-era Nazi, he’s going to be a bad guy. He may use language that is offensive to Jews or blacks or homosexuals or Christians or whatever, but it won’t be portrayed as an ok (and in this case, kind of cool-funny) thing that he is doing. The use of offensive language would be a negative.
In the case in question, the use of offensive language was being portrayed in a cool, humorous way, something that would be generally admired. That’s actually quite different. It was written in a way to make us like the character, yet the character was using offensive language.
And I think if society as a whole determines what is appropriate, you stomp on minorities. The fact is, 40-50 years ago, society as a whole saw nothing wrong with the use of the N-word. It was because the minority was able to communicate to the society that they found it offensive that society’s view has changed. But I would suggest that anyone who knew that it was offensive to the minority but still used it was not responding appropriately, even if society as a whole still considered it acceptable.
As a side note, my Jewish roommate used the terms about other Jews. I told him that if so-and-so was a …., he was acting like a …. He accused me of being a coward, too afraid to call him that straight out and say that he actually was a …., so from then on I obliged him. He was a good guy, we had a lot of fun together. Good friends can do a lot of things that aren’t appropriate otherwise.
By the way, one way to do a block quote (for future reference) is to copy the text into your comment, highlight it, and then click on the quotation mark symbol (which is in the space between your comment title and comment text when you are composing a comment).
It looks like this.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 2, 2008 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks! I didn't know about the block quote
As for the other- I’m not sure about the “cool-funny” part. The only part that matters to me is whether it is accurate to the character or not. The Nazi may or may not be a bad guy, but he would still use what we see as inappropriate slurs. If a character is accurate, it should block the author from having to apologize for something he says. As I said before, for Jarryd’s demographic that is a realistic response. Whether he was meant to be likable is beside the point (and debatable, I didn’t particularly like Android Jerryd).
Just because Society approves of something, it doesn’t make it right, you’re correct. Unless, as I stated, it is not meant to demean, not meant as a slur (and don’t fool yourself, racial and religious slurs or even “nicknames” are very much meant to demean). Then it is up to society to decide where that line is. Since the majority of Americans identify as Christians, I don’t really see how Christians are analogous to blacks in the ’50s. In fact any comparison between the woes of the two kinda makes me cringe.
Really the entirety of my upset is due to the censorship angle. When a work of fiction is produced, the creator must be protected from any linking of his characters’ actions and thoughts to his own. It is dangerous to allow even a hint of surrender on this, because in the past this is the first step to outright censorship.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 2, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a common decency among man (at least, I hope there is)
That would force us to censor some things. If there had been a Bedge back in the jailblazer days, I don’t think you would have wanted to read a story that speculated about EVERY thought of Ruben Patterson’s…complete and without censorship. Yikes! There is some stuff that simply doesn’t belong in print, especially on a family-friendly blog.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 2, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But I think we have wildly different views on where that line should be drawn.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 2, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's fine
What surprised and bothered me was that you came across as if prezofdeath’s viewpoint wasn’t even worthy of expressing or consideration.
Your argument that a fictional portrayal is different from the person’s own opinion is a sound one, and you’ve made it in a well-reasoned manner here. I would still maintain that there’s a huge difference between sympathetic portrayals and antagonistic ones. Ben likes Jerryd, and wants us to like him, and this was a sympathetic portrayal even if it didn’t connect with you personally. I thought it was great.
But you know, no one actually was connecting Ben’s thoughts with Jerryd’s. The problem was not there. The problem was that Ben chose to use a sensitive expression to make a humorous point. Putting it in a fictional character’s mouth doesn’t really change that.
I would argue that if you were creating a serious work with a Nazi character who used inappropriate language, that would not necessarily cross a line. If you make him a negative character, there’s no problem there. If you make him a complex character, and his use of such language is portrayed in a negative or negative/neutral light, you’re probably ok. But if his use of things like the N word is portrayed in a positive light, or he’s a sympathetic character and there is nothing that condemns the use of that word, then you’ve crossed a line.
And if you use that word in a non-serious fictional work, and it is used to make a humorous point, then I very much think you’ve crossed a line. You are encouraging people to laugh at the expense of hurting others.
As to precisely where the line should be drawn, on this blog, given that Dave has established a no-swearing rule, the line should be drawn pretty tight — more tightly than is necessary in many contexts. This is supposed to be a kid-friendly, family-friendly, religious-friendly place (Dave’s a pastor, by the way, and probably doesn’t want things posted that would be detrimental to his real job).
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 2, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
We disagree on the freedom of the writer. The context simply cannot matter, not and keep the freedoms we profess to hold dear as a country.
You’re applying your moral standard to a fictional character in the case of the Nazi. You’re saying that the character must be bad, or realize the error of his ways, for it to be acceptable.
That is simply not the case. All in the Family had offensive language and a likable character who never learned his lesson. It was also done to be funny. I’m pretty sure no one accused Norman Lear of sharing any views of his character.
Bottom line- you may feel that there is a line at which a writer must be held accountable for the actions of his character. I even agree to a point. But that does not make it any less a basic freedom that must be protected, even if we don’t approve. That is the nature (and strength) of the United States.
But who knows- I’ve had a rough couple of days in non-BEdge land, and maybe I’m overreacting. Maybe not. Either way, I’m tired of defending what I always assumed were basic liberties, so I’m done.
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 2, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, one more comment, just to clarify
That is simply not the case. All in the Family had offensive language and a likable character who never learned his lesson. It was also done to be funny. I’m pretty sure no one accused Norman Lear of sharing any views of his character.
1. This was a complex character. He used offensive language to be funny, but he was the butt of the jokes, primarily. While he was liked, he was made to look a fool for his behavior as well. The offensive language was never portrayed as a good thing, or as appropriate.
2. You are right, right, right that Norman Lear didn’t share the views of his character. We agree entirely. That’s actually not a point that anyone has tried to make in this case, though. I would suggest that the appropriateness/inappropriateness is not actually linked to whether the character’s views are shared by the author. We can both easily write inappropriate words that we don’t agree with. Putting them in the mouth of a fictional character does not necessarily make them appropriate.
3. I’m not talking about liberties here. Dave (and Ben within the constraints Dave applies) has the liberty to use any words he wants, with a few minor exceptions (libel laws, copyright violations, etc). Liberty and appropriateness are two different things. I’m right with you on liberty. The question of liberty isn’t really relevant to the question of appropriateness. So we’re on the same page there. The question here was never whether or not Ben had the right to use the words he did, but rather whether it was appropriate for him to do so. That’s a very different matter.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion, I understand where you are coming from a lot better now, and I’ve enjoyed it. I actually agree with you more than I thought I did.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you.
You made “three” comments, not “one”. Just to clarify. ;-)
Sergio + Rudy = 16
by amlmart1 on Oct 3, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The header above what I was writing says “POST A COMMENT” so I did. You are arguing with Blazers Edge, which is a foolish and dangerous thing to do.
I made three points in one comment. So there. (Yes, I can be childish when it suits my purposes. The world out to be warned about that.)
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, only one more comment...
Now imagine I copy and paste “here” all the content of the whole wikipedia. And that´s only one comment? Ha!
Anyway, thanks for your opinion, I understand where you are coming from a lot better than yourself, and I’ve enjoyed it. I actually disagree with you more than you thought I did. ;-);-)
PS: I´m not afraid of your Highlanders.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
by amlmart1 on Oct 3, 2008 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said only one more comment
and you did two.
The fact that someone who can’t even count to two disagrees with me more than he thought he did bothers me not at all.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Oct 3, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suns for goofy team of the year
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When did Carlito sign with the Suns?
might not be a bad idea. Technically his signature move isnt a foul. The XBA… very interesting
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by bow4meow on Oct 1, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did Side-show-Bob take the bone out of his hair?
I guess working to Krusty wasn’t panning out…
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
by danevan on Oct 1, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beasley
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/nba_tracker/posts/10302
Going to be MVP? just ROY would be selling himself short?
I didnt know marajuana was hallucinogenic…
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
by danevan on Oct 1, 2008 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A photo for our Spanish: Memphis awaiting the coming of GOd.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Grizzlies Players: “You’ve got to be kidding me. He that big?!”
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
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by T Darkstar on Oct 1, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iranian players have tats too. Who knew? (He is looking good in some practice photos)
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Breaking New!!
Oden’s new underwear
Oden to Shaq: “How does my @$$ taste?”
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by 92wastheyear on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice one
I needed that!
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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