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Expectations: Greg Oden

As we meander our way through August and into September we're going to consider our expectations for each member of the 15-man roster.  We probably won't do all fifteen in a row but we'll get through them all eventually.  We're going to start with the man on whom all eyes will fall nationally, Greg Oden.

I expect Greg Oden to have a good, but not spectacular season.  This has less to do with my assessment of him as a player (I think he's going to be spectacular) than with the realities of playing his position as a heralded rookie.  Every Tom, Dick, and DeSagana is going to have it out for him.  They're going to bump, bruise, and otherwise try to destroy him every time he sets foot on the court.  He will not have seen anything like it in his career...not even close.  While I expect him to eventually stand up to the challenge the rookie wall for him is going to look more like Mount Everest.  I also expect him to go through a fair amount of mental and emotional stress, maybe even anguish.  He's not going to be used to this positon.  He won't be used to how simultaneously intense and heartless this league can be.  He doesn't strike me as a young man who is used to failure and he's going to have to deal with his fair share of it this year with little sympathy or time to analyze what's going on.

Despite all that I don't think Blazer fans will be disappointed with Oden's production even at this early stage.  It would surprise me to see him average fewer than 10 points a game.  At this point I'm more concerned with field goal percentage than points scored though.  I don't expect he can learn to be a volume NBA scorer at the center position in one season.  I do hope he begins to learn how and where to get his shots.  If he emerged from the season with low double-digits but shooting above 48% I'd be happy.

I'm fervently hoping that Greg will add 10 rebounds to his scoring.  Rebounding is the one area where he can just bull through.  If he wants it and he battles hard enough nobody is going to keep him from being an excellent glass man.  He's just too much of an athlete.  

Despite his shot blocking ability I'd be surprised if Oden averages much more than one a game for the year.  I bet he'll give us a few glimpses here and there with multi-block games and hopefully by the final few months of the season he'll be averaging two or more regularly.  But it's awfully hard to pick up defensive rotations and it's even harder to convince referees that what you just did at the speed of light was a legit block and not a foul.  

Somewhere around 11 points, 10 boards, and 1.3 blocks sounds about right for the season, with a wish that he stays healthy and out of major foul trouble.  Nationally that stat line going to be viewed as a disappointment.  I hope it won't be here.  More importantly I hope it's not to Greg himself.  He has a long way to go, but he'll get there.

Oden's best friends this year are going to be the other young players.  I think their encouragement and teaching will make the difference for him.  If I'm Brandon Roy I have one, overriding mission this year:  keep the big man's chin up no matter what.  Even if the league is cold your teammates can pick you up.

Even though Oden is likely to be overshadowed by other rookies this particular year, keep in mind what Maurice Lucas said about us seeing a different Oden in 2008 and again in 2009.  If Oden hits these semi-modest targets this year it would not surprise me at all to see him come out and dominate in years two and three.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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It is just a feeling
I have in my heart. With people like Steve Blake, Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge and Joel Pryzbilla on the team, Our young Mr. Oden will have a lot of emotional and psychological support in his journey towards his potential greatness.  With the fans here in portland, willing to back him through it all, he should have no problem making that journey.
With that in mind...those of you from other parts of the the country with your overzealous negativity and the brown cow dung creeping up to your ears, Back Off. Has nothing to do with your PERCIEVED B@%&W@60* crock, has everything to do with the quality of the team we have assembled.  If this bothers some of our NOT so local posters, I have an appropriate Military acronym for you...STHU,PYHOOYAAPA.  Translations available on request.

by coastrider on Aug 14, 2007 1:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree.
Oden has a great team around him. He is lucky to be in this kind of crowd.

As for the acronym... I can figure out all of it till the last two letters... and in this instance I am assuming the PA doesnt stand for Paul Allen.

by Blazer on Aug 14, 2007 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 and 10??? i'd be ecstatic!!!
I don't expect even THAT much from greg for his first season.  If we get that, then I'm going to be thrilled beyond belief.  Also, if we get that, he's out performing the other centers we had previously AND he's not a black hole.

If he gets that AND averages one block a game, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go up by 10 wins.  Alridge will out perform Zach.  He may not average the double doubles but his assists, fluidity of play, and blocks should all be higher.

SF will be weak, but I think with Zach gone Travis will play the position better.

I only really expected an 8 and 8 and  .8 on the blocks.  Maybe 2.4 assists.  I figure his turnovers will be high his first year.

I agree every player and their grandmother will be there to give him a warm welcoming foot on toe action and the old elbow to the rib cage as they fight for position.  He's really not going to be used to it, which is why I expect very little and the 8/8 is a success to me.

Year two I'd think there'd be modest improvement as he recovers.  Year three I think he'll dominate most centers.

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Aug 14, 2007 5:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I'd be more than satisfied with 10 and 10.  (It's the 2nd 10 I really like.)  LMA should help out with major blocks.  His average should climb from 1.2 to ... well, higher.  Here's a video reminder.
"The art of being wise is the art of knowing what to overlook" - William James

by jorga on Aug 14, 2007 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coastrider illuminates
one of the reasons it feels particularly good again to be a Blazer fan.  The four guys he named are my four favorite Blazers (w/ Ime being the only one missing).  A starting squad of Blake/Roy/Udoka/Aldridge/Pryzbilla may not compete for an NBA title, but it is right up there in character.  These guys are goung to be fun to root for and when you take into account how young the team is, they may end up being the true strength of this team.

by timg56 on Aug 14, 2007 6:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgot ... Expectations
I don't have any expectations for Oden.  I see no reason he can't have a rookie season similar to Dwight Howard.  If he does, I'll be estatic.  If it's something less, no big deal.

The player I have the greatest expectations for is LaMarcus Aldridge.  This is the guy who has me excited.  I think it not unreasonable to expect point & rebound numbers close to Zach's - say 18 & 8 - only with a higher shooting percentage, better defense and perhaps most importantly, within the flow of the offense.

Others I have raised expectations for:

Blake - I want to see him make this his team

Pryzbilla - I want to see him healthy and producing like he did 2 years ago.

Roy & Jack - I was impressed by the statistical improvements made in the shooting percentages of both these guys as the season progressed.  If they only shoot at the same rates as they were doing at the end of last year, they will be lights out.

by timg56 on Aug 14, 2007 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Even if Greg gets limited action, a healthy Joel and hungry Frye & LMA gives us more than enough wiggle room to let the big man grow.  Trout blossomed at the 4 last year, so we have plenty of able bodies to do damage below.  If Oden gets anything close to starter stats, it would blow my expectations out of the water.  2 years from now I'll be singing a different tune, but for now learn the NBA game, work on that offense, and practice your freethrows.

by mpressive on Aug 14, 2007 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget
A lot of people consider Jarrett Jack to be a high-character guy too.

by jamon51 on Aug 14, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. I like that
he went back to summer school as well. We have a team of high character guys, it would seem.

Who's not to like on the current roster?

LMA, Frye, McRoberts, Freeland

Oden, Pryz, Raef

Travis, Jones, Martell, even, I spose, Darius

Roy, Blake

Jack, Sergio, Taurean, Petteri

17 guys, all of whom seem like quality people I'd love to have as neighbors.

I haven't been able to say that in a while.

by ojala on Aug 14, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11/10
I'll take that in a heartbeat. I think almost everyone here in Potland agrees, year one will be all about growth. How will the learning curve bend? Only 1.3 blocks per game? Greg's athletic ability will show up quick in the stat line here.

I think there probably is more pressure on LMA & BRoy to step up than GO right now.

In Oden's case that is about as good as it could get for this #1 pick.  

The Oden Era, Day 48

by Heymoe on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg Oden has become Goliath
Anyone else notice that the day Oden was drafted #1, the whole focus of the media went from talking about how great he was to looking for signs of him being a bust?  It's not really surprising--not only is that how the media functions, but I think it's human nature to want to take down the heavy favorite.

I think Portland ought to hook Oden up with a psychologist ASAP, because he's going to see a lot of this.  Every misstep is going to be played up, and if he averages 10/10 to Durant's 25/6, it will get all kinds of press.

The fun part will come in a few years when Oden turns Portland into Goliath, and people around the country start actively rooting against the heavily favored Blazers in the playoffs.  For years I rooted for teams like Minnesota in the first round just hoping they would take out the Lakers.  Wouldn't it be fun to be that team that everyone feared and despised?

by HarryManback on Aug 14, 2007 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that Odie's in the Northwest...
...get him on a diet of venison and salmon (instead of cheeseburgers) and he'll be OK. Our frontcourt does seem a bit on the fragile side. Bayno and Co. knows you don't put 87 octane in a racecar and will persuade our guys to watch what they eat.

My expectations for Greg are not high this year. I expect a slow start with improvement throughout the season, much like Aldridge last year. As someone pointed out in another post, the timing is good for Greg in the western conference. With Garnett gone and the Spurs aging, it could be worse. I think Oden will surprise us with his shot blocking. The guy has incredible timing and can leap! It will be a signature stat over his career.

The rookie year is a tough one. Oden will hold his own but not dominate. Hasn't this been the general consensus all along (Durant will have instant impact, Oden will take some time)? The spotlight is on Roy and Aldridge this year.

" If you can do it in black wingtips, it aint a sport!" Ken

by Dr Dave on Aug 14, 2007 8:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thte Bigs
I came up with a forecast based on players production last year.  To see how much Oden would have to average in order to offset the loss of Zbo.    I figure he would have to average 18 and 9 in order to offset Zbo's loss off point and rebound production.  

A couple of interesting facts though.  Since this is based on last years performance it in no way predicts and increase in a players efficieny.  In other words I look at it as a worst case scenario.

LMA may have some foul trouble.  His fouling rate is pretty high and if averages 34 min per game he will have an average of 4.55 fouls per game.  Having Oden arround may offset that.

Zbo was very turnover prone.  Assuming Oden averages 1 TO a game would decrease the total TO production of Fry, LMA and GO by over 2 per game.  If this holds true it will decrease our scored against stat and increase our scoring per game.  

In essence if GO average 13 pts and 9 rebounds a game.  We will see no drop off from last years group of LMA, Mags and Zbo.    

by khryse on Aug 14, 2007 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly Accurate
YOu've got to consider other players that will pick up the scoring and rebounding loads, minutes that Aldridge and Frye will get have to be considered too since they'll be taking Zach's minutes not Oden.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Aug 14, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't need to fill Zach's, or anyones, shoes.
I don't look at Zach's numbers being gone as a loss.  most of his numbers were off what my high school coach would call "garbage numbers".  i.e. he'd get the ball, miss a shot, get his rebound, make a shot.  i don't think he is as dominate of a low post scorer as he's made out to be.  So, for Oden(or LMA) to pick up his numbers wouldn't be too daunting of a task.  I don't think we'll miss Zach's "production" at all as his being gone is really opening up everything for everyone else.

For Greg to be a success this year I think he needs only do one thing: stay healthy.  If I see him in all 82 games I'll be ecstatic.  That will show me that he is a tough kid who is ready to play in this league and the rest will fall in to place.  I am not seeing him as a 25ppg center in his career either.  I'm seeing him as more of a 15-20ppg, 12rpg, 3.5 apg, and 2bpg.  for the scoring we have Mr. Roy and Mr. Aldridge.  

I cannot wait for the beginning of this season!  I'm absolutely stoked.  

written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

damn, lots of smart people in this blog
agree with most all of what all said. Dave i think you're right on point.

does anyone know bill russell's and willis reed's stats their rookie years? those two became pretty damn good centers.

by rburg on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Expectations...
Russell averaged 14.7 points and grabbed 19.6 rebounds per game in his rookie season according to Basketball-Reference.com...

That might be a little unreasonable considering Oden is 19 and he's not playing in the same type of league that Russell played in...

I think 10 and 10 would be huge numbers for Oden's first year. In theory, rebounding is one of the few aspects that remains somewhat constant at all levels, so it isn't unrealistic to assume that Oden remains a solid rebounder (between 8 and 10 per game). Beyond stats though, I hope Oden doesn't read John Canzano's article in the Oregonian. He'll be the first to bash G.O. guaranteed...

by Champs2009 on Aug 14, 2007 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11,10 and 1.
I'm not even sure that would be viewed as a disappointment nationally.  I think that would be a very solid rookie season.

I am hoping for 2+ blocks a game though.

by jksnake99 on Aug 14, 2007 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting
how expecations have so greatly tanked  compared to all the irrational pre-draft and immediate post-draft talk.  What's happening here Oden fans?  You mean it only took two minor summer league games to drastically  alter those earlier over-the-top predictions?

I agree with Dr. Dave that the focus should be to get GO healthy and a vastly improved diet should be the foundation of that effort.  Maybe that will help his energy level which in turn will hopefully lead to instilling that burning, single minded passion for the game which he is going to need if he is even to come close to meeting pre-summer league expectations ... not to mention just getting him through an 82+ game  schedule.  

My opinion is that even after accomplishing the above, his game will still need a good deal of  developing which will take time.  Greg obviously has very high level physical skills! Here's hoping his health holding together combined with the development of a killer instinct will lead to GODEN eventually becoming that very special player everyone has envisioned.

In the meantime, while waiting for this development to occur, we can tune in to Kevin Durant to get an immediate fix of young basketball greatness.    

by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well i said
it'll take him 8-10 years to get his 1.st ring. so this is going to be a very long fantastic voyage type journey.

by fatty on Aug 14, 2007 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow...that's the longest forcast i've seen
8-10 years is a VERY long time...you are now getting into KG territory and the "well, he had a great career, but...."....let's hope he doesn't turn into John Elway here and now win anything until he's ready to retire.  

My personal forcast is calling for a Blazers championship w/in 4 years.  mark it on the calendar.

written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zbo loss
Well my post is more of a response to guys like Hollinger.  Who have claimed that the loss of Zbo will adversly effect the Blazers next year.  The main problem with the way Basketball statistics are kept is that they do not track how long a ball is held by someone.  Anyway the point was to show that the Blazers would not have to see quantum leaps in efficiency to gain back what the have supposedly lost.

This lead to the whole blackhole analogy, which I tried to get accross statistically with eluding to TO's.  ZBO's TO's are more like a point guards which would imply him handling the ball alot.  IMO Zbo's style of play was more of concern because it leads to a more stagnant style of offense.  Basketball is about ball movement creating mismacthes and whoever has the best shot takes it.  This hopefuly leads to a motion style offense where rhythm is king.

I think LMA is going to have an adjustment period early this season with fouls.  His is rate is pretty high.  

by khryse on Aug 14, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Naw
The only things limiting his production will be injury and foul trouble. Other than that, sky is the limit. He could do 18 and 14 if he gets 35+ minutes a night.

Problem is, he won't. He'll be lucky to average 28, and part of that tentative since he'll be in foul trouble.

by jamon51 on Aug 14, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree with most of you
If he can stay on the court, which i think he will be able to do as the season goes on and he figures out how to not get into foul trouble that quickly, he'll produce. If he can manage close to 30 mins a game, I can see him producing something like what Okafor or Howard put up their first years.

I don't see how he doesn't get 10 boards a game. That's a skill that he has and won't need much refinement for the NBA game. You figure we'll dump it into the post for him to try out his baby hook every now and then. He should be able to gather some missed shots and put them back immediately. Howard put up 12/10/1.7 his rookie season and Okafor put up 15/11/1.7 his rookie season. The difference was Howard shot 52% and Okafor shot 44%. I'd much rather have the lower scoring numbers as long as he's more efficient. On our team, I can see him putting up a line like Howard's rookie season, and that would just be perfect.

by ssa400 on Aug 14, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

low expectations
I feel like a lot of people are trying to set the bar low so they'll be happy if he overachieves.  Strength and power translate to the NBA well.  Lamarcus should be very good this year and take some pressure off of Oden.  I think Oden can get to 15/11/3.  And that's probably modest, he's better and bigger than Okafor and Howard.  In terms of what he brings right off of the bat he's got power, not quite shaq-like but close, and straight-ahead running he's as fast as any of the legendary big guys.  Plus, I think he's a good passer now and will be a very good passer shortly.  

by begottenson on Aug 14, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Make him watch Sabonis videos
I know he's 19, a rookie, yadda yadda yadda, but I would love to see him pull off some fancy behind the back passes to the guy cutting towards the basket.  Otherwise I do not expect much besides defense in the first year.  
Aaron Brooks the 2007 ROY.

by tominhawaii on Aug 14, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that'd be awesome
but i unfortunately think that is one of those things that is a natural ability.  you have it or you don't.  you can't learn fancy intuitive passes any more than you can learn to be 7' tall.
written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea .. but just as good
let him watch how Walton distributed the ball.

by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Health permitting: 18 and 10 with 2+ blocks
I except Oden to be a major force after the all star break. If he's only getting 10 points a game it's health issues setting him back. That or Roy really has turned into Wade and LMA really has turned into Duncan and our offense is centered entirely around them.

by nlj on Aug 14, 2007 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fun with numbers
These stats are contingent on so many factors outside of how he actually plays that it's very hard to predict AND hard to assess what would "good." How the team plays offense and defense around him matters a LOT. But I'm with NLJ. Better than Okafor.

by barryj on Aug 14, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Topic
Excellent piece, Dave.

I think your overall expectations are well-thought out and tempered.

However, I see a longer learning curve for him, with the inevitable and short-lived flash of brilliance.

My wild stab:  9.7 pts, 7.9 reb, 1.56 blk for his rookie season, with more intangible impact than those statistics could possibly impart.

At his peak:  19.5pts, 13.1reb, 4.6blk.  This may take up to five years to accomplish.

Given his age, NO ONE in Portland should hold it against him for struggling in his rookie year.

We owe him all the love and patience in the world so that when he is in a position to leave, he will want to stay in Ptown and bring us a title.

Make no mistake: WE NEED GREG ODEN TO WIN IT ALL.

Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Aug 14, 2007 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I expect
the biggest impact and contribution of Greg Oden to be at the defensive end of the floor.  He will keep the Blazers close in a lot of games.  I expect the biggest contribution he will make on offense will be to serve as a distraction to keep players from double-teaming everyone else.  He may not put up big numbers, but he will be too good to ignore.  He will make his teammates better and more effective with his presence alone.

by bbfred on Aug 14, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I realized
about halfway through my day that I didn't talk near enough about defense...only in terms of blocks which is quite shallow.  Hopefully that will be an upside that the national folks won't necessarily see but Blazer fans will.  I'm officially justifying my omission by saying he'll have a hard time learning the rotations and getting there without getting in foul trouble though.

Thanks for the good point, bbf.

--Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2007 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oden will be targetted, BUT
Ya gotta remember how many complete STIFFS play center today.  Oden is strong for his age and while not quite as strong as a lot of older NBA centers (but also not far off) he is MUCH faster and MUCH more athletic than anyone who will defend him.

I was a proponent of getting Durant, but I love Oden, and I can't imagine him averaging less than 10 points a game.  His offense is raw, but it's not THAT bad and his pure athleticism, speed, and effort will get him all the dunks he wants.  Plus we got a great distributer in Brandon Roy-Bot, and a strong offensive post player in Aldridge taking the defensive focus away from Oden...

He'll do fine scoring wise and will only get better.  Offensive boards with his size and instincts, running the court, alley-OOPS on fronting defenders, and just straight Amare-type purely athletic moves around the slow stiffs who play center these days will get him 5 buckets a night, easy.

Oden is a great finisher.  Get the ball close, and he'll dunk it.  Amare or Dwight Howard didn't/don't have a polished offensive game when coming into the league, but they used their athleticism to score against all enemies.  I would be surprised if Oden's rookie year wasn't comparable to theirs...

My prediction might be different if we didn't have decent PGs and ball-mover-around-ers like Roy.  Oden all by himself would struggle, as he obviously needs someone to get the ball to him.  But he'll never have to worry about that, and Roy and Aldridge will ensure no one will double team Oden successfully.  And I like my chances with Oden vs Oberto, Dampier, Ilgauskus, Curry, the various Browns, Okur, Gasol (can score, doesn't defend), Magloire, Petro, Swift, Sene, Hawes, Kaman, Miller, any Thomas, O'Bryant, and even fellow #1 pick Andrew Bogut.

Shaq, Jermaine, Dwight Howard, Yao, Curry (offensively), Amare, Camby, Garnett, Duncan... those guys will probably give him trouble because they give everyone trouble.  But aside from learning not to foul, I just don't worry about Oden defensively.

Plus most of those guys play in the East.  And Aldridge will guard the skinny ones.  

I am fine with low expectations so the average fan doesn't get down on Oden right off the bat, but he IS a good center currently.  A hyper-athletic bruizer dunker true center will obliterate most post players in the league today.  AND he'll blow everyone away completely in a few seasons.

HOW IT WILL BE I HOPE:  A double double with 2 blocks a game.  Even with foul troubles.  Durant and Oden down to the wire for ROY, with whoever's team improved the most getting it (unless Durant's numbers are insane, which they just may well be).  If we sniff playoffs and Durant just averages 20 points on 39% shooting and the Sonics are cellar dwellers, I don't see why Oden couldn't walk away with Brandon's trophy.

Why isn't it October 30th already?!?!  So STUPID.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2007 6:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And by "proponent of Durant"
I mean "I am perfectly fine with either player and think both are awesome".  I liked Durant a lot, but I wasn't so far on his side to say I definately prefer him over Oden, or think getting Oden is a mistake.  

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Admittedly, I was very
avid about drafting Durant over GO and I still believe taking GO may end up being a huge mistake.  But I think many are short-changing Oden's rebounding and shot blocking abilities.  I also think he will display both in spades even in this, his first year.  Offensively is where he will have the big need to develop.

I don't know, I could be wrong, but I think he has Bill Russell talents (again the rebounding, superb defense and running the floor). Russell's offense was never polished and they used to say he dribbled the basketball like one would pat a dog on the head. Oden is so much better in that department and I think quite a bit better also potentially in his offensive game.  

Then, we'll have to remember not to compare Oden's first NBA year with Russell's. Big Bill had 4 years of college under his belt.

My extreme concern regarding Greg Oden is his physical health and his passion (or lack of) for the game (which is why I was so against him as our selection for our rare and precious #1 pick.)  The passion factor right now between these two seemingly comparable physical athletes is what doesn't come close to matching in my mind.  Otherwise, GO reminds me almost exactly of perhaps the best rebounding and defensive center of all time (that was hard for me to say as I was never a Russell and Boston fan during his era.)

   

by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oden
will have a good year for a rookie but not the sensational year many expect the #1 pick to have.   The lofty pick is deserved but way over-hyped.

I actually hope he averages only 1 block per game.   That will mean he is fighting for position for rebounds instead of trying to block every shot.   It seems to me that many players try to get a big reputation for blocks but it comes at the expense of losing rebounds to the other teams offensive players.

We have, now before any injuries happen, 4 very good players at the 2 big positions.   And then we have LaFrentz in reserve (and hopefully healthy this year).   They will give us depth and lots of energy to run up and down the floor  --  in what I hope McMillan will allow  --  fast break basketball.

by OrygunRod on Aug 14, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

14-10-2.5
I know everyone in the league will bring their A game against him.  So what?  Three top ten picks on Florida's front line came ready to fight him on everything, and he dominated.

Sure, Noah and Horford aren't Shaq, but neither are most NBA centers.

First half of the season he'll average 12-8-1.8 blocks.  Second half, he'll be tougher, lot's tougher.

He won't dominate the league this year, but he's better than Okafor was.

by jscot on Aug 15, 2007 1:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nate, not Bill
I see the Bill Russell comparison with Oden.  He certainly shares Russell's rare combination of size, speed, and timing.  But watching Oden in college, the comparison that came to my mind was with Nate (The Great) Thurmond.  Apparently Maurice Lucas had the same thought: he said as much after Oden's Portland workout.

Thurmond was bigger than Russell (6-11 vs 6-9) and had more offensive game.  But like Russell--and Oden--Nate was a true center who didn't care about scoring.  He was all about winning, so he let Rick Barry et al rack up the points--and the glory--while he took care of the dirty work.

That's why I'm convinced Oden will win championships with the Blazers (barring injury, of course); he should mesh perfectly with Roy and Aldridge.  Nate Thurmond had some good teammates in his career, but never the type of highly skilled, high character guys that Oden is getting to play with from Day 1.  We're talking perfect chemistry--the kind that leads to NBA titles.

by hurryup09 on Aug 15, 2007 2:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Late comment
I was without internet for a while, so I just want to go on record as saying that Oden will beat Dave's expectations.

Dave's predictions are based, I think, on the idea that Oden has not faced NBA competition night in and night out and that he performed somewhat poorly during Summer league. Although both of those things are true, I think Dave might also be basing his predictions on how many of Blazer big-men have performed in their first season. It's generally taken them a long time to acclimate to the NBA. What Dave, and others are discounting is that Oden is an order of magnitude more physically talented than most NBA rookie centers or forwards.

Oden will be facing stiffer competition than he has ever faced, but he will still be stronger, quicker, and more explosive than 75% of the guys he goes up against. Oden will surely struggle against guys like Howard, Yao Ming, Shaq, Stoudemire, and Duncan, but he's not going to be emotionally distressed after facing Robert Swift, Bynum, Kaman, or any of the other average centers in the league. With 30 teams in the league, there are plenty of NBA front courts that aren't really much more talented than Horford and Noah, the front court that he demolished in the NCAA Championship game. Some of their craftiness will bother him initially, but I think he'll be able to adjust quickly.  

The bottom line: barring injury Oden will average more than 14 points a game, 9-11 rebounds per game, and shoot 55% or better from the field.

by PoliSam on Aug 15, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nate "The Great" Thurmond
   I got to see Nate Thurmond in the late 60's -
early 70's, when San Francisco Warriors played at the old Cow Palace. That team had some good
backcourt players like Jeff Mullins, Cazzie Russell, Al Attles, etc. Thurmond didn't have a
lot of low post moves, but he made up for it with
brute strength and quickness. On the boards and
defense he dominated. Excellent use of that big
behind on the boards and intimidation on all
who came in the paint.
   I think Luke made a good comparision, as GO is
big, physically mature, and is still raw on the
post. The advantage that GO has is his youth,
the ability to use his off (left) hand and his
teammates are team and pass first.

 1. Offense - Go will get 3 to 4 buckets off
    follow-ups, tips & dunks. In addition, the
    Blazers will probably call 4 to 5 post ups
    for GO. This will help him keep continuity
    in his post game by working to understand
    how he can score or draw the foul. I think
    he will get 5 to 6 FT a game and since he
    proved he could hit 60 + % left handed, he
    should shoot 65 + % right handed. In addition,
    GO will get a bucket or two just outrunning
    the plodders who are matched up at center.
    1st half - 10 ppg  - 2nd half - 14 ppg

 2. Defense - GO will get pushed, banged and
    fouled regularily. Rookie initiation ! If
    we can get him with a nutritionist, as well
    as Bobby Medina, I think he'll get through
    the punishment. He will need to work on his
    footwork for D rebounds, as this is more
    about positioning and hard work than the
    quickness, leaping ability and desire that
    is inherent in offensive rebounding.
    GO will get in foul trouble ! Fortunatly, he
    will get better as time goes on and having
    Joel, Frye and Raef to back him up will help.
    I think he will have three times as many
    intimidations as blocks.
     1st half - 7.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg
     2nd half - 10.5 rpg, 2.5 bpg

 3. All Around - GO has already shown a tendency
    to distribute. He and LMA will be great as a
    pair. Aldridge cuts to the hoop and GO hits
    him for the dunk. I think we will be
    hearing this phrase a lot in the coming year.
    Kareem became a excellent passer when he drew
    double team and I think GO will pass well
    out of the post and on the outlet. GO is
    intelligent and coachable, which will help
    him grow as a player. Example - How many
    great shot blockers in the past twenty years
    try to block a shot and keep it in play.
    I've seen GO block a shot to himself and then
    throw a outlet for a dunk at the other end.
    Will GO become a Hakeem or Russell type
    defender in the future ? I think a poor man's
    Hakeem would be great, as he led the league
    in blocks and was top five in steals as a
    center. Will GO get in foul trouble ? Yes,
    but he'll learn and get better.
    1st half - 1.2 apg, 2.5 TOpg, .7 spg, 6 fpg
    2nd half - 2.1 apg, 1.7 TOpg, 1.2 spg, 5 fpg

     Final #'s for 07-08 ROY runner-up Greg Oden

   *  14 ppg, 49% FG, 9.0 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 66% FT,
        1.7 apg, 1.0 spg, 2.0 TOpg, 5.5 fpg

     * Stays healthy - 65 + games played  
 

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Aug 15, 2007 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

11-10
Will be his #'s. I expect great defense, monster dunks, struggles, great character, blocks, and most importantly, W's.
Formerly known as Junit3123

by Jason3123 on Aug 15, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I expect...
Game #1

Oden with the winning tip. LMA picks it out of the air who then dishes it off to Roy. Roy takes a quick two step and then tosses up an alley-oop to Oden (who left everyone in the dust after the tip) for an amazing 2 hand windmill jam that borderlines breaking a backboard. As he comes down he lets out a spine tingling roar that sends chills through anyone watching the game.

The result? A defaning roar in Portland that would result in the one thing we have all waited for over so many years now...

Rip City has finally returned... with a vengence.

Not to mention this will make for quite the highlight reel on the 11:00 news and will go down in history as the play that started a dynasty here in town.

by Blazer on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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