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Sandcastles and Fandom

This is a long way to go to make a point, but it does relate to what we do here...

One of my long-time beach rituals is sandcastle building.  When I was a kid my mom used to bring my sister and me out here and we'd spend hours creating the perfect sand city.  These weren't the kind of fancy, sculpted sandcastles you see in a competition, rather 30x50 foot metropolis constructions with tons of walls, buildings, roads, and of course the all-important moat system.  There's nothing like knowing your city complex inside and out--including the (assumed) arrogant pride of the little sand inhabitants who felt so secure building right next to the ocean--then watching mother nature (in the form of high tide) blast through the moats and walls, wiping all but the tops of the tallest buildings clean.  It's the quintessential human drama...plus it's darn nifty.

So anyway, when a young friend from Iowa came visiting for a week and he'd never seen the ocean at all, it was a natural to bring him here.  And he just had to experience the glory of civilization creation (and destruction).  He also found the experience quite cool.

One of the side effects of this kind of endeavor is that once your city reaches a certain critical mass people start stopping by to see what you're doing.  This happened a fair amount today.  There were some kid and moms, a couple of older folks...the usual.  But the pair that struck me were a couple of what I'd judge to be post-college guys.  They had college hoodies and they looked kind of like ex-frat boys.  They walked past just as I was finishing something and as I stood up they looked me right in the eyes.  It was kind of weird, because their expression was very incredulous and disapproving.  They kind of stared and shook their heads like, "Sheesh...how stupid can you be to waste your time on something like that?"  I guess they didn't get the ultimate coolness of tens of square yards of soon-to-be-doomed city.

You know, when you meet people like that, you just don't know what to say.  It's like if they don't understand or agree with something it must be contemptible and foolish.  It didn't make me mad or anything, just kind of sad.  First of all I feel sad for anyone who doesn't know the joy of going to the ocean and building a sandcastle.  But more than that I feel sad for people who are so sure that nothing beyond their experience can be meaningful that they dismiss out of hand what end up being multiple opportunities for looking at things (and people) in new ways.  I also get kind of annoyed with people who, when they feel that way, just HAVE to register their disapproval to everyone within reach, as if their opinion and viewpoints were the only valid ones in the universe and even perfect strangers should bow to them.  If it's not hurting anyone--if it's just how someone else sees things--why does it matter so much if you disagree or wouldn't do the same?

How this all relates to our discussion is that I meet a fair amount of those people online.  The relative anonymity of online discussion emboldens people to take a "my way or the highway" approach to conversation and lessens the incentive to truly listen to one another.  How often have you seen people dismiss others as idiots (or worse) simply because somebody brought up a new point of view or experiences fandom in a different way?  Thank goodness there's not a ton of that here (and thanks to all of you too) but I fear in many places it's the norm...not just in sports but politics, religion, education...everywhere.

Getting back to us, I really feel sorry for people who treat their fandom that way.  Being a fan is supposed to be FUN!  It's supposed to bring people together.  It's supposed to be like having a ready-made family of thousands who go through the same ups and downs you do.  Of course there are differences and disagreements, but anyone who wastes a moment of time or energy getting bent out of shape about those, let alone to the point of name calling and flat-out dismissing folks...I just don't get it.  What's the point?  Why can't people have their fandom their way and we have ours our way and everybody enjoys and makes room for everybody elses?  

Personally I thank all of your for your various points of view and approaches to things.  I feel like I'm a much more well-rounded fan reading all the things you write.  The journey is a ton more fun and interesting because you do what you do.  I hope we all continue to enjoy each others' work whether we're sandcastle builders, surfers, ray-catchers, fishermen, or bikini chasers on Blazer beach.

Back home tomorrow.

--Dave

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I refer to it as the...
Jim Rome Syndrome.  The incessent need to ridicule, chastise, demean any and all at the expense of any person or group other than oneself.

What's worse is that this is all undertaken by people, who are in the eyes of the law, considered to be adults.  

Friendly banter is just that. You love Le Bullez, I the Blazers, let's rib each other a little.

It's when the banter lurches to the personal level with such ease and regularity that it becomes so worisome.  

Without going to far to the philosophical side on this, I do believe such behavior is reflective of our culture as a whole and not simply a segmented pattern related to fandom or sports.    

nobody makes me bleed my own blood

by dcblazer on Jul 25, 2007 4:49 AM PDT reply actions  

PS - Dave
You should post a couple of pics of your sandcastle.  I go back home in November for the first time since '03 and the same outing is on my agenda.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood

by dcblazer on Jul 25, 2007 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was me
can't believe you didn't recognize me as i ridiculed you for building your silly little sand cities. tsk, tsk, tsk.  grow up dave.

J/K, of course...those people annoy us all.  I think DC hit it on the head with the "Jim Rome Syndrome".  People just get so dang full of themselves in all walks of life it just makes me want to slap them to remind them they are no better than anyone else.  But, oh well.  I find it easier to just ignore people I don't care for. Makes me a lot happier!  LoL

Hope you had a fun vacation on the Oregon Coast.  

written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Jul 25, 2007 6:07 AM PDT reply actions  

scott r
i agree with you,i know for example i piss a lot of people off,because i speak my mind.so i ignore people does'nt mean i don't respect people views or opinions.hey dave if you like sandcastles more power to you dude.as for the blazer journey,i'm very realistic 09-10 the earliest for playoffs results.i'll be stunned if we're in the playoffs the next 2 seasons.like i said people enjoy the journey i know i will.

by fatty on Jul 25, 2007 7:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Why you piss me off...
It's the no spaces after your periods thing. I don't mind shunning the Shift-key so much but seriously, the space bar's really easy to push right after the period. They're right next to each other.

by Jumbo on Jul 25, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm happy
he has started using periods.  it's a huge leap!
written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Jul 25, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt
I'd have to say that out of the many online forums and blogs i keep up with the comments here are by FAR the most intelligent and respectful--Blazersedge is a tiny oasis in a sea of pettiness, spite and disrespect that makes up the typical internet 'dialogue.'

not to sound too over-the-top, but seeing the courteous and authentic dialogue here on a daily basis helps restore my faith in humanity after a day of frustrating internet use--i always save BE for my nightcap. thanks Dave, and everyone else, for this.

by sergioFTW on Jul 25, 2007 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

ditto to sergioFTW
sergio et. al. have it right. I'd say the difference is that some of us are grownups, and I don't mean chronologically, and others are.... well...

hope you enjoyed the coast dave, now GET BACK TO WORK!

by rburg on Jul 25, 2007 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice Rant
I totally agree with what you said.  It's a major problem in our society right now.  Everyone is seeing things in black and white.  You are either with us or against us, and if you say otherwise, you're a terrorist, j/k.

It's always important to remember that although our persepective appears to be unique and important, it is just one of many.  We all look at the world through different filters, so it's not suprising we come to different conclusions.

Sports is a breeding ground for arrogance and opinion dominated discussions.  It's really because fans are so emotionally attached to the outcome, it's a defense mechanism based in fear of dissappointment.

But with these negatives, comes the hope of something great. The feeling of being the champion, being able to rejoice on common ground with the people of your city.  GO BLAZERS!!

by mjm6783 on Jul 25, 2007 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

This is without a doubt...
the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Keep up the good work.  :)

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Jul 25, 2007 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Dave, my compliments.
I'm a football coach and this is the time of year we spend a lot of time contemplating our navels and talking about culture.

You have built a culture that causes guys like stop pause as we cruise by and consider actually settling in as a member of the virtual family.

From fatty to Mortimer I find myself learning and enjoying.

The world is complicated and sports give us a place to experience things more quickly and simply.

The acceptance of well presented and different opinions is common here. well done.

Thanks for inviting me in!

by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

ojala
thank-you for the compliment,what football coach do you ,odel your style after.

by fatty on Jul 25, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

style AND substance?
I like to think that my style is similar to John Madden in that I think it possible to be close friends with my charges and still be effective.

In my dreams my approach is similar to the great chess player and mismatch maker, Bill Walsh.

I'm not brave enough to ask my athletes who they'd liken me to tho...

by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

You outed me
OK Dave,

I've been lurking here for about a year and have e-mailed a couple of times and this one did it.  That is a great post.  I couldn't agree more and I'm all in.

by TLF_Big_Papi on Jul 25, 2007 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Ditto, welcome!
Best and only fan forum I read.
"I'm a buffet of goodness."

by TP43 on Jul 25, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome
Welcome to the blog man!
Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

grown-up site
As a newcomer to this blog--in fact to blogging in general--I've really enjoyed the quality and tone of the discussions.  I haven't checked out many other sports blogs, but those I have I've been much less impressed with: lots of that immature "Jim Rome Syndrome" that dcblazer cites.  Blazersedge is just a nice place to hang out, a virtual community of fellow hoops fans.  Sure, there's debate, but debate is fun when it's respectful (when everyone's in total agreement, that's pretty boring, isn't it?) As rburg suggested, the key is probably that Blazersedge posters are "grownups."  I'd add that that has to be a reflection on Dave, as he sets the tone for the site.  

by hurryup09 on Jul 25, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Conventional wisdom
This is my favorite site on the web - as my hit count surely reflects.  As a "semi-skilled" fan, Dave's recaps always point out something that I didn't see, think of, or had any idea how to interpret.  I hope we can keep up the rare combination of intense, detailed analysis with the pure, unfiltered joy (and agony) of being a fan.

One thing I've noticed is that certain ideas become "conventional wisdom" pretty quickly.  They perhaps start as a newspaper article, are followed up by discussion here, and often reach a "group conclusion" pretty quickly.  Sometimes, this is the result of us analyzing (or over analyzing) small tidbits of info that leak or might make it into a Quick article.  Other times, they seem to be just general fan consensus that have developed over time.

What unfortunately happens is that folks who question this "conventional wisdom" maybe get a bit of the brush off.  Some random ideas that seem to pretty firmly entrenched:

  • Martell's problems are mental
  • Darius has real NBA talent
  • There's little chance one of our big 3 will be a bust
  • The Blazers need a dynamic PG and SF
  • The Blazers need/want to be a transition team
  • Jack is close to reaching his ceiling
  • Zach's post game will be relatively easy to replace
  • Players over the age of 28 don't have much value to our rebuilding process

One thing I would like to see is a bit more willingness to question basic assumptions, even if this means being somewhat more critical of our own players.  Of what percentage of players can you say "that guy turned our exactly like I thought he would three years ago"?  35% maybe?  We should keep an open mind to all possibilities.

by Engineering Problem on Jul 25, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

great post EP
I will check my assumptions on these points.

by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent
I'd question just about any of those positions being an accurate assessment of the Blazers.

by timg56 on Jul 25, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lists of conventional wisdom
Martell's problems are mental
 - I agree

Darius has real NBA talent
 - I think he does, but who cares

There's little chance one of our big 3 will be a bust
 - I agree. Maybe a 10% chance for LA and Roy and a 20% chance for Oden (barring injuries).

The Blazers need a dynamic PG and SF
 - This is true of any team. But Roy can cover for a lot of sins in this area.

The Blazers need/want to be a transition team
 - Disagree. The assets I see are: size, great speed for size and intelligence. 'great speed for size' isn't often the sign of a transition team - just plain speed is. With the intelligence (and adaptability) thrown in there I see us being a brilliant, fast-paced, half-court team. You just might see the most exciting, dance-like, half-court game you've seen in a long while.

Jack is close to reaching his ceiling
 - hmmm. One problem with guys as consistent as he is is that you don't see flashes of brilliance that MAY foretell a brilliant future. Doesn't mean they can't get to the future anyways.

Zach's post game will be relatively easy to replace
 - Nope. He was a machine - especially being so short. He always found a way to score. We've got a Randolph and a Duncan/Robinson-combo now - they can score, but the methods are very different.

Players over the age of 28 don't have much value to our rebuilding process
 - They might be great for us. But not if they cost a bunch because they can put other teams over the hump.

by jcox on Jul 25, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

well
I pretty much agree with everything you just said, although i think some of martell's movement is also an issue for him.
Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Such a 'right on' post EP.
What you describe is so very predominant in blogs.  

Got to mention to Dave though, that I much enjoyed his piece.  It was an insightful look at human nature.

by TwoDeep on Jul 25, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post is an example
of the tone you set, Dave. You model and monitor the integrity of the site, and almost all of us posters gladly abide by the norms and appreciate that this "place" exists in these angry, confrontational times. I learn alot from all of you folks, not just about the Blazers, but about civility, about taking the time and energy to explain points of view, and how to disagree respectfully.
A few times I have posted something to the effect that the world is not black and white, and that applies to basketball too. I always have trouble with opinions that are so vehement and one-sided, but I can use them as more info to help formulate my own beliefs. It is the nature of our personalities that causes some people to hold their views as facts, and for others to always be searching in all the gray areas for more info.
Anyway, thanks to you, Dave, and thanks to everyone else who contributes their positive energy.

by crakarjack on Jul 25, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Shel Silverstein
"I will not play at tug o' war.
I'd rather play at hug o' war,
Where everyone hugs
Instead of tugs,
Where everyone giggles
And rolls on the rug,
Where everyone kisses,
And everyone grins,
And everyone cuddles,
And everyone wins."

Thanks for making this a warm, fuzzy place for Blazer fans to let good things run wild.

by rockingharder on Jul 25, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Also by Shel Silverstein:
We'll never be this young again
Never be this young again.
Why sit and dream about what might have been?
If we could do it over, we'd do it again,
And I love you tonight like I loved you back then.
We'll never be this young again.

From a song called, ummm,... oh yeah, "We'll Never Be This Young Again"

Sappy, but these are my Blazers and they are young.

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Jul 25, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also also vik...
Silverstein also wrote the lyrics to the Johnny Cash song, "A Boy Named Sue". I'm not sure how that fits in with the Blazers, though.

by rockingharder on Jul 25, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention...
...Uncle Shelby's ABZ book...which seems the antithesis of Dave's 'deep thought', if in spirit only.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 25, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Word.
One of the things I noticed right away around here is that if someone, even a long-term member, posts something disrespectful, they'll be told to calm down by three other members. There's alot of self-enforcement of the culture within this community.

I think the other thing that keeps people in line is Dave's no cussing rule. While I tend to have a potty mouth around my friends, I tend not to use it online because it often makes my posts look much more aggressive and/or whiny than I mean them too. I think alot of arguments start online because people insert swear words into their posts and make them more offensive than they mean to.

by bocious on Jul 25, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Martell's problem(s)
I thought EP's post about the need to question conventional Blazer fan wisdom was excellent.  And a couple of the examples he cited--at least--are good candidates for re-examination.  In particular, I do believe Martell's problems are at least partly mental; specifically, he seems to lack the calmness that great players, even young ones, possess.  But I also wonder about his hands.  Martell just seems clumsy to me.  

You can be athletically gifted--possessed of a gorgeous jumpshot and able to leap out of the building--and still be clumsy.  Nerves play a part in this, of course, so it's hard to separate the mental aspect.  But maybe if one is clumsy, that makes one less calm in the storm of a fast-paced, intense NBA contest.  If you're naturally clumsy AND nervous, you just may not have what it takes to excell in the NBA no matter what other tools you possess.

I hope I'm wrong and that Martell and Travis end up being a dream tandem at small forward for the Blazers.  Again, this is just in the interests of challenging some of the conventional wisdom cited by EP.

by hurryup09 on Jul 25, 2007 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Dave
I appreciate your sharing and your transparency. We are never too old to build sandcastles. We are never foolish to take time for ourselves and with children. The sad thing is that adults really believe their sandcastles (i.e, fancy cars, businesses, buildings etc.) even their charitable works will never have a tide wash them away. A hundred years from now what will be important in what we have done? Porbably only the lasting impressions we get to infrequently make on the younger generations.

This site and Bloggingtheboys.com (Dallas Cowboys) are the two I have found that best personify the ideals you set forth. There is ample room for respect and give and take in learning from each other. I don't post much because there are so many here that say all that needs to be said. Thanks folks, for the ride.

by lee3022 on Jul 25, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't neccessarily agree with all
the tones. I am a assuming that anyone who graduates college is probably on a high from being done with that journey. So, I discount them, I myself have only one year left. However, I agree that people can be abrasive. I think the one thing we can all learn, or maybe reavow to do, is learn to turn the other cheek, be respectful and if somebody wants to go to blows, go away from kids. That being said, I am a big Jim Rome fan, and I think people take him too serously. He makes fun of himself, his crew and just blasts on listeners (clones=those who just regurgitate with no reall original thought) that are clueless. Let's leave that out of it, as I think all of us are probably that way in one aspect of our lives.
Dave, I will tip my hat to you. I am a Blazer info junky and like the set up and design. I don't mind swearing, but I don't need to do it all the time. Thanks for providing an excellent forum.
Hate the game, not the player.

by Rodendridge on Jul 25, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you, Dave. Thank you, everyone.
I read a lot of blogs when I have the time.  This is the only blog where I bother to read the comments.  Dave deserves much credit for setting the tone of the blog and providing an exceptionally friendly forum; and all the rest of you are just great.  Generally speaking, you are bright, knowledgeable and witty - I'm a certain sucker for that combination.

Long may it last.

by roseburgian on Jul 25, 2007 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

but... but... but...
It's the LAKERS man!  It's KOBE!!!

I don't think i can ever be open minded to:

Kobe,
Iverson
Francis
Zach
Artest

and any one else who causes trouble for their team or hits the news constantly for various non-positive reasons AND who doesn't care about playing hard for their team.

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with that list...
...Except for Iverson. He's such an exceptional talent, and he was the MVP of Team USA when he played for them a couple of years back. I couldn't believe he wasn't invited back. I think that with the right coach, he could definitely be a contributor to a championship team.

by rockingharder on Jul 26, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I'm burnng on
I disapprove of lots of things.  I loathe people with bad breath sitting next to me on the bus, and fair weather fans.  Yet when I encounter those groups, I do not treat them with contempt.  I let them live their life as they choose and try to avoid breathing through my nose.

My point is, I have no problem with people not approving of someone's behavior.  My problem is with those who express their disapproval when no one asked them and their sharing has no relevance to the discussion.

On a side note.  I have not built a sand castle in years but if I did, my castle would be more Now than Dave's.

Aaron Brooks the 2007 ROY.

by tominhawaii on Jul 25, 2007 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably low levels of
testosterone are what the two frat boys are experiencing. We have all had to deal with the "alpha male" syndrom in people we meet, or in your case pass by. I liken it to the zomby mythos, only replace brains with testosterone, and their bodies are craving it... and you have it.

I dunno how else to really figure those kinds of guys out except that possibly their daddy never hugged them. Which is also a travesty.

Anyway, enjoy your time on the coast, I havent been there in a couple years and I do believe that if you ever spend any time at the Oregon coast, you will develop a craving for it when kept away from it so long. There is something oddly magical about the Oregon coast...

by Blazer on Jul 26, 2007 2:33 AM PDT reply actions  

How crowded?
Dave,
Great post.  I have a question about how crowded the beach was.  On the east coast where I grew up, the crowds limited the sancastle size to a max of about a beach blanket.  Yours sounds outstanding- and I bet your Iowa visitor was impressed.

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