And I want Rudy to stay too. I guess we could give him up cause he isn't going to be here this year but damn, he's the best player in Europe. Course we may not get him so I guess this is a gooder move than Frye.

I'd prefer to hand them a couple small forwards (we have like five of them now and all with question marks.) and our first pick next year. Wait, are we making the playoffs next year or not?

I don't really know that much about Shane B, but I like the words tenacious D and deadly three point shooter very much.  

1) Frye is good enough to be a starter in the NBA.  How many years will he want to sit on the bench when he could eventually be making more money starting for somebody else?

2)We have a strong frontcourt bench and eventually we have to fill that SF position.  If we can find a better fit than Battier for that value, then let's go after him.  But Battier seems to fill a lot of needs.

3) Can McRoberts, Outlaw, and Freeland eventually replicate the skills of Frye if we lose him to a trade?  

4) I don't think we should put the focus of trades on whether or not they help opponents in another division.  The big question is whether proposed trades will help the Blazers in the long run reach their goals.

If the tables are turned and the Blazers had Shane Battier starting at the SF and the Rockets had Channing Frye, would you propose a trade that sends Shane Battier to the Rockets in order to acquire Channing Frye to come over and compete for backup minutes for the Blazers?

I realize some other players who have to be involved in this scenario to make the trade happen,...but the main participants would be Frye and Battier.

Another point to think about...Battier would be a great mentor for Outlaw.  I think Trout's game would pick up quite a bit with someone like Battier to show him the way.  

I mean even if Frye recognizes his potential so what? Unless he's going to be so good that he unseats Aldridge or Oden he will be a backup. We should do this trade even thought I am wary of Battier.

Like the RealGM boards have been talking about a possible Thrilla for Turkoglu trade.  I like that one quite a lot; I'd even throw in extra for that one.  More of an offensive guy, someone who can create their own shot (neither Jones nor Battier nor Martell can create their own offense -- Jones is actually probably the best out of that group, but that ain't saying much).  Would be a different look to throw at the opponent.

I'm all for upgrading if possible and trying to win this year but not at the expense of a genuine quality player who might NOT want to leave in the future just because he's too good. A lot can happen, heart; heals; tonsils; mono?, we need Frye. We lose a big starter we're done for the season. With Frye, we're still competitive.

KP hasn't made a bad trade yet (and yes I doubted the Randolf Trade at first too) so I suspect he knows what an asset he has and will not dump him lightly.

We had 1000s of hypothetical Zach trades. Did anyone guess Zach, Dickau and Jones for Frye and Francis????

Let's discuss trades after they happen.

I still like the idea of someone old enough to remember the Clinton administration in the perimeter group though.

1. Frye can be traded in a package deal starting in a few weeks (so I've heard...something like 60 days after the NY trade?)

2. The trade proposal would involve other players besides just Frye and Battier.  Probably Frye and James Jones for Battier...or something like that.  But the main point of contention is giving up Frye.

3. Yes, Battier can be considered a glorified role player if you look at this stats.  A Houston paper stated that the Rockets were pleased with all facets of Battier's game except for his scoring ability.  He definitely is not a scorer.  He earns his money through the intangibles that he brings to the table (hustle, determination, leadership, oddly shaped skull, etc.)  His value is also created in the fact that he can hold the other team's best scorer well below his average,...think of Ozzie Smith's value to the Cardinals for taking away hits and runs from opposing team with his defense.  The contributions these types of guys make are difficult to quantify.  

4. Since when is being in your late twenties the kiss of death?  Players like Battier (think Bruce Bowen) who don't rely on athleticism usually don't detoriate until much later in their careers.  Battier is a skill/hustle kind of player.  He should last a good deal longer than the average NBA who relies a lot on athletic ability.

5. I'm also tired of fairy tale trade proposals that make my mind explode.  I posted this trade proposal because I have reason to believe that this is more than just speculation.  Quick and Pritchard are leading us to believe something is brewing, something is brewing at the SF position, and we already knew Houston was a name that came up in rumors before the draft.

Let's let em play one year then look around.

I've said it before and I've said it again.

Rudy will be here next year. He will look the other teams in the eye and say "Hello, my name is Rudy Fernandez, you passed on me in the first round, prepare to die."

However...

Battier is good and would play D. They have a million (5 or 6 anyway) point guards and one wants out bad. Just don't trade from PF, C and Two guard to get em.

And finally, there are so many small forwards out there better than batt, can't we have one of them? Atlanta has like ten. Can't we have one of them?