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Reaching for a bar that is set too high?

At some point in our future, we will again be in a situation where we will ponder the direction of our beloved franchise.  As the saying goes, what goes up...."

But what if we never get to that "up"?  What happens if this apparent mix of good character and blessed talent ends up boiling over into swollen and bruised egos and disastrous chemistry?

We are faced with many directions in which the franchise could go.  

Less than a month ago, we supposedly had a core of young, thoughtful and intelligent players, who were going to anchor a Blazers squad for years to come.  We had Lamarcas, Brandon and Sergio, with some great pieces like Zbo, Pryz and Jack.  Things were looking up and up.  

But now that we have won the right to make the first pick in the draft, the Trailblazers seem to be becoming more like the Oden show, instead of the young team that was destined for success.

This will be an issue that KP will face when he makes the decision to draft either Oden or Durant.

This post is not about the decision that KP will have to make.  This post is about how you would react if the hype outweighs the results.

For many Blazer fans, the name Sam Bowie always brings out a cringe, even to the staunchest of Blazer fans.  (Again, this isn't about the choice, but the end result.)  In hind-sight, it was a bad decision, but at the time, it was a no-brainer.

So now this organization is faced with the prospect of Drafting a player, who may end up as one of the best players in the league, or one that may end up as one of the most dominant.  

But let's say we choose Oden(Dominant).  There is that fear that he may end up like Bowie, or worse, unispired.  Portland fans have their eyes filled with twinkly little stars and triumphant little thoughts about championships.  But if Oden doesn't manage the type of dominance that his hype is conveying, how quickly will the fan base turn against the franchise or the player?  When drafting Oden, there will have to be a realignment of players on this team, to build around the expectation of his greatness.  

To us fans, it is easy just to put this player here, trade this player there, but there are personalities on this team, egos and culture that kind of exclude that way of thinking.  Most of these guys were brought in because of character and talent, groomed to fill roles and most of all win through effort and teamwork.  

This is where Durant might have a slight edge over Oden.  If the Blazers draft Durant, the core that was going to be the future of this franchise remains in tact, but we also get to keep the components that complete this team.  

No Poll questions.  Just your thoughts.

How would you feel if we Drafted Oden, but the team failed to live up to expectation?  What if Durant brought success as the #2 pick, as Portland fails to succeed?

What if KP drafted Durant and Oden had success with his team?  How would you view KP and/or the Trailblazer organization?

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Think positive
Not gonna happen so dont worry about it.
But, You talked about what goes up must come down. I think we did it the opposite way. This franchise has been down for so long we are due for some success. I will never forget the damn shaq ally-oop from kobe in the comback playoff victory when he runs down court with his huge gaping mouth pointing at kobe. Not to mention the worst record reciently. "what goes down must come up"

by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 6, 2007 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I support
whoever we take. One thing to remember though, is I personally don't see Oden having the early success of Durant. I mean, I see Durant dropping 20 a game, but I see Oden winning, and that's really all that matters.
Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 6, 2007 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I trust KP
to make the right decision. He is the master at talent evaluation. That's why he takes so much of Mr. Allen's Big $$$$ to the bank every week.

The dude (KP) will choose the right dude (the guys that have "D's" in their names).

Worry not, my rp34 friend...

Ball Don't Lie

by bothteamsplayedhard on Jun 6, 2007 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The reason I watch sports is for stories.
I don't watch purely to be on the winning side.  The best stories have hurdles, challenges, set-backs at the least.  Some of the best stories end in tragedy.  I enjoyed watching the last team that didn't achieve their full potential.

by EnglandDan on Jun 6, 2007 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sergio???
As some cornerstone? Uh, he'll be lucky to still be in the NBA in 4 years.

Now, that aside, I have no worries. We on a up cycle that's going to continue for a while and I'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

by blazerprophet on Jun 6, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way
Oden is NOT Sam Bowie--the more comparable player to Oden in that draft in terms of potential, hype, and expectation, is Olajuwon, not Bowie.
Brandon Roy 007

by TimG on Jun 6, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm fully prepared...
...for Oden to have his off games, just like any other player. He's human.
Certainly we'll see his strengths, but a great team will find & exploit his weaknesses, too. Like every other player.
But, with the improvements from last season, I'm seeing real positives. Oden may very well glue all that together this year or next. Sergio's playing more and more like his idol, Steve Nash. The Freddie Jones Alley-Oop's? shivers
And B-Roy? Nothing needs to be said.
We'll be cool.
I wonder how many times I'm gonna end up blowing my voice out at the Blazer games next season?

by patrickroy on Jun 6, 2007 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the thing about off games
is a big man still changes the game! His presence has such an impact. A big block, just a rebound, just standing their guarding his man can take that guy out of the offense. You will always know when Oden's on the floor.

Durant though, if his shot's not working, if he can't get to the whole, what's he going to do?

Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 7, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I was referring to.
Everyone in this blog is posting assumptions.  We assume that Oden will be magnificent because the media says so, because he out performed the rival for the top draft spot, because someone, somewhere said he's going to be the best.

I'm feeling positive that there will be success for Oden.  That wasn't my point.  My point was, what if Oden's success doesn't turn into Blazer's success.  

Bowie failed to bring this franchise a championship.  To make matters worse, the person that was taken directly after him turned out to be the Greatest of All Time.  

For those who followed the Blazers during that time, our pain wasn't really felt until a few years later, when it was painfully clear that Bowie was a flop and MJ was lighting it up for 30 a night.  

Since no-one is officially capable of predicting the future, leaving an unknown present in the average fan's psyche, how would you feel if the other draft pick succeeded, when the our draft pick failed?

But alas, I would spoil the granularity of our enjoyment stream by chunking it up with theoreticals.

But remember, Zbo once had a 95% favorable vote, Darius Miles had a 90% and Theo Ratliff had a 98%, but we all know how that turned out.

No one is a sure thing in this league.  That's what makes it interesting..

Was Damon really a bad Blazer, or did he get the short end of the stick?

by rpxxxiv on Jun 6, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Worst case scenarios
We pick Oden and he doesn't perform as high as hoped... but I think it would take several seasons before my hopes are dashed.  I expect it will take time for his skills to peak, so I don't see myself throwing in the towel early.  That said, I'm really confident he'll deliver.  And from what I've heard from him and our other young core, I just don't see any possible ego conflict occuring outside of Zach, who may not be around anyway.  If Durant becomes the superstar of these two, that's just bad luck.  Picking Oden means dreaming of a dynasty.

If we pick Durant, I think things are more risky.  I'd still give him time to develop, but I'll really compare his contributions to that of Oden.  I'm a bit worried that his need for the ball could cause a problem with other players down the road.  Part of me is also worried that he'll have a 'Stache-like impact, although I'm sure even worst case scenario he'll be better than Morrison.  If Oden ends up dominating the league in this case, I would definitely have a chip on my shoulder for a long time.

by shralpster on Jun 6, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But that's just crazy talk...
Can't go wrong with these guys.  We didn't get the #1 pick by fretting about how management would waste our eventual 7 (or 8, or 9, or 10) pick.  And believe me, I had plenty of optimism before with only a 5.3% chance.

by shralpster on Jun 6, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends on your expectations
Oden will struggle at some point next season.  The question is whether you're willing to accept it.  He's a center, and he's only 19.  Shaq and others had a few years in the NCAAs before really blowing up.

If Oden's per-40 numbers are similar to Dwight Howard's in his first year out of HS, I'll be happy.

Actually, as long as Oden doesn't get injured in the next few seasons, I'll be happy with whatever he puts up.

- Sam

by Samuelson on Jun 6, 2007 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My expectations aren't that high
We were dreamed of a repeat, a threepeat (only that word didn't exist then)... a dynasty and it all came crashing down with Walton.  We thought Clyde and Terry & Buck & Duck could do it all.  They couldn't.

So I see possibilities.  I see the rainbow up there, but if it doesn't really end at a pot of gold, I can still enjoy the rainbow.  So if Oden gets run over by a runaway driverless delivery truck and ends up with two broken legs I'm not going to jump off the Marquam Bridge.  I'm going to be unhappy if Seattle/OKC/KC finishes above us in the division, but I'm not going to blame Oden or Pritchard or Mother Nature. It's been known a long time as the "breaks of the game".

I'm along for the ride and I hope it's wild and wonderful, surprising and sweet, but if it's not all those I will still have enjoyed it.  

by jorga on Jun 6, 2007 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy the trip...
Obviously we want a championship (make that multiple championships) here in Portland, and we also all know that that is the name if the game.  Pro teams and athletes all strive to win it all.  But what about the teams and players who never win it all?

Teams and players can still reach greatness without winning a championship:  Karl Malone was a great player, a great pro, and on a great team that just never won a championship.  Dan Marino was a great player who did so many things ahead of his time, had all the physical and character traits and stats to be considered greatest of all time, but no championships.  As a fan in Utah or Miami, or of Portland with Drexler's days, the fans were able to get behind a great team and enjoy a great ride even though it never ended in a trophy.  Expectations are part of life.  We all WANT a championship now, but later once we are putting together 60+ win seasons we will start to demand more... and more will be a championship, then a repeat, then more.  It is inevitable.  

That is why I am truly enjoying the rebuilding and recharacterizing of the Blazers organization.  It is fun to watch our team get young talented guys who we can root on, watch develop and ultimately form a great winning unit.  Trophy or no trophy I will still be stoked all along the way.  It makes watching the Blazers as "homegrown" kids that we draft, develop, and utilitze throughout thier careers so enjoyable.  Compare that to Trader Bob's days where we were constantly flipping guys on the roster and lacking the consistency to feel like we can "know" our guys through watching games, and learning about them in the media, etc.  This team with Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Randolph, Outlaw, Webster, Jack, Sergio, and whoever else could be real special because those guys are all Blazers from day one.

Yeah, I want a championship and with the addition of Oden to our squad of young talent it does feel like we have one or more coming.  And that alone builds expectations, but we can enjoy the trip and if things do fall our way and we are able to keep our talent and get the most out of our guys, not just our big 3 (Roy, Aldridge and Oden) then it should take care of itself.  

And, if something like a Michael Jordan or Tom Brady dynasty happens while we have our great team assembled and we miss our window.  Then we as fans need to start enjoying our rebuilding time again.  That is just the way it goes.  But keep a positive outlook and keep the pressure on Nate, KP and the organization to push our kids to continually get better, grow their games and get the most out of them each and every season.  That is the key to this sport.  Having guys who do thier own thing and think "I've made it" since they are in the league is the recipe for good, not great.  The guys who work hard always get what they put in.

by Scotty the Mastermind on Jun 6, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

completely agree scotty
nice post.
Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 7, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowie was a bust, but
did it really hurt the franchise? We enjoyed alot of success after that by making it to the finals twice. If Oden gets bad feet and has to retire early, I'll be ok with that, even if Durant turns into Jordan part 2 because I want Oden. But if the Blazers pick Durant and he busts while Oden is dominating in Seattle, I'm gonna be pissed.

by Blazerholic on Jun 6, 2007 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
If Oden turns out to be mediocre while Durant blows up in Seattle, I won't feel too bad. Oden looks like a sure thing to AT LEAST be a servicable player in this league (as did Bowie, by the way). But if the Blazers take Durant and Oden ends up being THE MAN, I will be livid.

by rockingharder on Jun 6, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any way
Portland fails to succeed except perhaps through injuries and nobody can get too upset about that.  Whether that means a championship (and how soon that would be) is too far away to judge.  We haven't even BEGUN to explore what it really takes to get all the way, or even close to all the way.  As the Suns and Mavs are finding out, there are SO many things that can get in your way...little twists of fate that seem small at the time but change the course of destiny for you.  I dare not even speculate seriously that we could get past those when we haven't been within sniffing distance of any position where we could even experience them for years.

However, I am VERY confident that Portland will succeed and will be heard from in the coming years.  I am confident because I see us building on foundations that can't lose:  smarts, unselfishness, defense.  I see Oden fitting right into that, which to me (along with his talent) makes him a no-brainer.  I think there's a decent chance he does turn into Superman, but even if he doesn't he's going to be really good as long as he follows those three mantras.  His athleticism and height alone will take care of that.

I would not be surprised to see Durant get a quicker start in the league.  I would also not be overly disappointed if we didn't make much noise next year, up to and including missing the playoffs again.  Though I hope at least this time it would be barely missing instead of getting torpedoed.  What happens in the short term, good or bad, isn't going to phase me much.  Like a professional poker player, I'm pretty sure that, whatever vagaries luck may bring right now, given enough hands the cream is going to rise to the top.  We just have to worry about getting the creamy players and continuing to develop their skills and teamwork.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 6, 2007 9:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Big 3
KP took care of the first 2 (of 3) in last years draft. What's he going to do now that he's handed (on a silver plate) the #1 pick with this crop of incoming talent?

I trust he will make sure that we will add the third piece required to go deep, deep. deep. So let's just wait and see just who it is going to be shall we? And when his name is called out, you gatta believe it was the right one. In KP we trust! Can we please stop with the Sam Bowie comparison with this years draft? Jerome Kersey is no longer on the team to fall on anybodys shin, OUCH!

It doesn't get much better than this. The dream begins now.

by Heymoe on Jun 6, 2007 9:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Warning: stupid girl comment follows
I will probably like any player drafted by the Blazers - because they play for the Blazers - unless and until they do something heinous (which does not include strip clubs, but does include, oh, say, SHOOTING outside of strip clubs or other idiocies).  

If the player proves to be transcendent, that's a bonus.

I liked Sam Bowie.  Bummer about his legs.  I never did tell my former beloved our second offspring was named after Bowie.  (Well, heck, "Sam" was a thousand times better than than his suggestion, anyway.)

by roseburgian on Jun 6, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a good name, Rose...
after all, we came very close to naming our second daughter Clyde.

by ken on Jun 7, 2007 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

regardless of who we take
does anybody else have the feeling that we will be special just because of Roy?

I know the criticism on Roy was that he'd just be good, solid, none of that T-U-P? But to me he looks like a superstar. He talks like one, he looks like one, the plays/shots he makes are ridiculous sometimes.

Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 7, 2007 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Roy is a better than average scorer,
and a better than average passer for his position.  He's a nice guy and articulate.  He is an awful defender at the NBA level.  He's got a long way to go before he gets up among the elite players at his position.  Still, if Oden and Aldridge are Robinson and Duncan, Roy's at least a Sean Elliott.

by EnglandDan on Jun 7, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious?
Roy's an awful defender? What in the world.. Roy's probably the best defender on our team.
Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 7, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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