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Draft Reflections

I'm going to do the best I can to sum up my feelings on the night.  And let me forewarn you, that's exactly what they're going to be...feelings.  I'm going to be far more fan-ish than usual, I'm sure.  It's been an exhausting night emotionally and a long day physically.

Courtesy of our good friend NightBlueFruit and his diary, here are the list of changes today:

Incoming Players
Greg Oden
Steve Francis
Channing Frye
Rudy Fernandez
Petteri Koponen
Josh McRoberts
Taurean Green
James Jones

Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
Freddie Jones
Dan Dickau

Clearly the first, most overwhelming story of the night is that we...got...Greg...Oden.  That's where the discussion should begin and end.  I know it won't, not even in this post, let alone in the comments.  But in the long run that is the move that will make the most difference.  In fact nothing else on this list even comes close.  The lesson of the evening remains, "Be really, really happy Blazer fans!"  Let's not lose sight of that.

The major topic of conversation for the next few days will be the Zach trade.  In some ways that's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.  Some folks are asking why it had to happen on draft night and overshadow the festivities.  The answer is simple:  there's going to be a moratorium for a little while now until the new salary cap is calculated.  On July 1st (this Sunday) teams and free agents will begin to negotiate.  They won't be able to sign any deals until midway through the month when everything is set.  All of those negotiations will utilize the 2007-08 salaries though.  This year's salaries are going bye-bye.  So to make a deal work under this year's cap it pretty much had to get done tonight.  Besides, it wasn't a lock that this was going to disrupt the proceedings so much.  I think many people question the timing because they also question the deal.  The Blazer brain trust obviously believed in the deal though.  If we all saw things through their eyes we wouldn't be questioning, we'd be parading Kevin Pritchard around on our shoulders tonight for snagging a franchise center and trading Zach all in the same evening.  If we had gotten somebody popular with the crowd the party would have gone on all night long because of this move and this might be heralded as the greatest non-championship night in Blazer history.  Maybe it should be anyway.

Obviously if you've read my comments you can tell that I, too, have some problems with and/or questions about the deal.  These all revolve around Steve Francis.  Specifically I'd like to hear the reason why this deal was attractive.  (I'd also love to know what else was out there but I know that will never happen.)  I think there's legitimate reason to question because we've heard this phrase from management multiple times over the last few months:  we're not going to take on bad characters, bad contracts, or veterans on the decline (especially if those veterans are expensive).  Steve Francis is 30 years old and his career is in free fall without a parachute.  The Knicks couldn't wait to get rid of him.  His contract is enormous for what he brings.  Though it only lasts two years $33 million is nothing to sneeze at.  He wants the ball in his hands all the time when he's on the court.  He wants to take a ton of shots and be the focus of the offense.  He's not a great defender.  He out and out quit on his team on several occasions.  He's been described as a cancer in the locker room.  He's strike one, two, and three against all of the stated tenets of our new culture.  I don't think any GM in the league would choose him over Zach.  Now again this is just what I've seen, heard, and read.  Maybe what I've seen, heard, and read is wrong.  But there's a ton of smoke surrounding this guy.  I don't see much difference between having him and having Zach except that Zach is a more bankable talent.  In my mind that's legitimate reason to question this trade.  Again this is just a feeling but the idea of having Steve Francis suit up for the Blazers leaves my insides a little empty.

Obviously a big part of the motivation for the trade was financial.  In the next two years there's no gain.  We save $600,000 this year and actually pay $6.3 million more in 2008-09.  (That is assuming we don't just let Frye walk.)  After that things get more rosy.  In 2009-10 we save 11.8 million and should be far enough under the cap to sign a free agent much as Chicago did this year.  We also avoid paying Zach's $17 million in 2010-11.  Basically we gained some tangible relief for Paul Allen's wallet and a possible chance at a free agent window.  Whether you think that's adequate compensation for losing Zach and taking Frye and Francis depends on your point of view.  

For those who are thinking buyout I suspect you can pretty much forget it.  Francis gets $16 and $17 million over the next two years.  He can agree to a buyout and according to cap rules whatever the agreed number is will be the salary cap cost of the contract.  In layman's terms that means a buyout only helps us if Francis is willing to take less money.  At 30 years old and performing like he is he's never, ever, EVER going to approach getting that kind of salary from anyone else.  That means if we did buy him out it would be at, or darn close to, his current salary.  That provides zero cap relief for us.  The $33 million would be on our books anyway.

In the end this trade shows how the Blazers felt about Zach as much as anything.  They will not say it, nor should they, but they wanted him gone.  It wasn't on-court, it wasn't off-court, it was just everything.  This trade was the equivalent of the last scene in the mob move Casino where they take Joe Pesci's character out to the cornfield and show him the business end of the baseball bat (and the convenient hole they pre-dug for him).

I suspect this means that the New York fans who were on their feet cheering tonight will find many of the same flaws in Zach's game and demeanor as the years go by.  Remember a couple of things when Zach is having a great season next year.  One, the Blazers' staff don't seem like bad judges of character.  Two, unless there's major incentive leopards seldom change their spots.  Multi-million dollar contracts and all the shots you can hoist don't provide very good incentive.

We should also take a moment to feel sorry for Freddie Jones.  He gave up a year off of his contract to come back to Portland and play.  Half a season later...boom.  He's gone.  At least this proves that our new GM isn't a slave to sentiment and is able to make tough decisions.  Some rumors say New York will just buy out Jones and Dickau.  I hope Freddie ends up in a good place if that's the case.

Transitioning back to the draft in general one of the things you see as you look over the roster is that the moving probably isn't done.  Assuming we re-sign Ime and Outlaw we have twelve people under contract already.  (That counts Francis and Frye.)  Oden is a lock for thirteen.  Even with the Europeans (including Freeland) staying in Europe that's still a pretty tight roster squeeze, especially if we want to add another veteran somewhere.  It seems likely somebody else will yet move this summer.  There have been hints that a small forward deal is still in the offing, perhaps including Francis.  (That would make me happy.)  It could be that Jack, Przybilla, or Webster might still be changing addresses.  We won't know for a while.

I'm hopeful that some of our later round picks could pan out.  There are some pretty nice names in there...some of which appeared to be coveted pre-draft.  Maybe they could be moved or maybe they could play.  It seems like we did pretty well with our non-Oden picks.

I don't think this draft answered the question of whether our staff is too in love with wheeling and dealing.  At some point we'll become known as the Whitsitts of the draft if we're this active every year.  However we didn't appear to overspend for anything this year and we did get some players we liked so I don't see any problems.  We're pretty much out of major players available for dealing and we're likely to have much more modest pick resources next year so that draft should be pretty indicative.

In the end I don't feel quite as happy as I want to because that New York deal just kind of shocked and drained me.  But my brain knows I should be happier and I'm certain I will be once I see these players hit the floor.  That's not too long now, as Summer League starts next week.  That will be the next step in our off-season journey together and I'll be there for every game offering you the best details and information I can.  I do take requests if there's something you'd like me to look out for in particular.

Oh...last thing...  Even though I sound critical of the Zach deal (or at least semi-stunned about it) I do think Kevin Pritchard has earned more than enough rope for me to say, "OK, I'm going with this and seeing where it leads" instead of jumping all over it.  I think Blazer fans in general are a little gun-shy from past years.  When you've fallen off a horse a dozen times you tend to gasp when your trusty steed steps in a gopher hole whether that's a big deal or not.  KP and company will just have to understand that and grin and bear it.  On the other hand we have to understand that our brilliant staff didn't get dumb overnight.  They know more about all of this than we do.  In some way this was the best deal for Zach and the best move for the team.  Even if we don't see how we pretty much have to trust in that for now.  And even if it does turn out to have been a mistake in the end (and I'm not saying it will be) every staff makes them.  At this point all the evidence tells me I'd rather have a mistaken Pritchard than a lot of dead-on GM's in this league.  And I'm actually encouraged that the staff was willing to make a less popular, less sexy move that they thought was right.  After all, if they weren't willing to do that we might be putting up with Adam Morrison's God-awful hairdo 82 games a year.  (Between him, Joakim Noah, and Drew Gooden we have a decent start for the all-grotesque hair team.  We just need to find some guards.)

I hope you enjoyed draft night.  On to Summer League!

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Great sum up
Before I comment I'd like to say I'm very VERY HAPPY. We got Greg Oden, period.

I'd like to comment on the Steve Francis concerns.

As far as I know he has no off-the-court problems. He butted heads with Van Gundy in Houston, refused to re-enter a game while in Orlando. In New York he couldn't co-exist with Marbury and he wasn't happy.

Now all this isn't great but it's not like the mere prescence of Francis is going to poison our locker room.

In fact maybe I'm being incredibly optimistic but I do think there is a small chance that Francis could turn his career around in a new setting with new opportunities.

After a year of rotting on the Knicks bench he might be more energized here. He could easily beat out Jack and Sergio.

by jayseyfield on Jun 28, 2007 11:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would love that
But I'm not overly optimistic it will happen.

Listen up, people--this is a LONG TERM APPROACH. Champions think long term, perpetually mediocre teams think short-term.

by jamon51 on Jun 29, 2007 9:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good write up Dave
I concur though, that Zbo trade is a black mark on tonight. Very disappointing.

But I guess I'll just have to be patient and wait to see what happens.

Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 28, 2007 11:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

..and adieu to the '07 draft
Wow, Dave. What a night, eh?

Thanks for all the hard-out typing on Draft night. You really did Blazer Nation proud.

I have no doubt we'll have plenty more to digest and discuss as the summer rolls on - and probably sooner rather than later.

by iCollective on Jun 28, 2007 11:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent casino analogy, Dave
sums up my feelings about the whole Randolph situation perfectly.

by sergioFTW on Jun 28, 2007 11:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KP says
trades aren't done.  They get squirrelly and put on the capologist when pressed about the pending deal for some small forward, and intimate that they can't talk about it for a week to ten days.  They also say it has nothing to do with a sign and trade, so that means it's not relating to a free agent.  So finally in other words, it sounds like there's an agreement in principle for a trade involving people who we just traded for, who we cannot trade for 10 days after executing the trade.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2007/06/postdraft_press_conference_aud.html

by howlingfantods on Jun 28, 2007 11:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well-writ, Dave.
I do find it pretty hilarious when people sitting in front of their computers want to tell Kevin Pritchard that he could have gotten better for Randolph.  Really?  You don't think that he WOULD have gotten better if it was out there?

I do believe that Pritchard has earned MORE than enough leeway for Blazers fans to sit back and say, "Hey, I'm willing to see where this goes."

I, for one, wouldn't be terribly opposed to keeping both Francis and Frye.  Frye automatically becomes the top backup for both Aldridge AND Oden, and will do so admirably off the bench.  That is a LOADED front line, and everyone knows their roles, which would not have been the case had Randolph been retained.

As for Francis, I'm clinging to the pipe dream that he can serve as a change-of-pace guard off the bench for Brandon Roy.  Much like Nick Van Exel was for the season-and-a-half he spent in Portland, Francis can run with the second unit, drain threes, and spearhead the run-n-gun second unit with Sergio Rodriguez.  Worst case scenario, he rots on the bench and serves as an expiring contract down the line.  Randolph's four-year terrible contract just became Stevie Franchise's two-year terrible contract.

And his two-year terrible contract might just become Shawn Marion's long-term max deal.  Who knows?

by trevor on Jun 28, 2007 11:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya beat me to it on the marion thing
Something is just telling me that WE are going to get Marion. The contract works with Mariona and one of the things that KP couldnt talk about was the Fernandez pick in the presser. Maybe Pheonix made the pick for Portland to be traded back to PHX with Francis. It doesnt make sense but you never know what KP has up his sleeve.

by SpyderRyder on Jun 29, 2007 12:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

terrific summary
Dave, you basically captured everything I wanted to say, especially the Zach trade dampening my Oden joy. I feel hopeful that my happiness will come roaring back as soon as I see Oden in a Blazers summer league jersey.

I think it was a great draft: Oden, obviously, some real steals in the second round, and stashing some pretty good talent in Europe (another good lesson learned from the Spurs). The trade was disappointing, and really put a damper on the night for me, but on the other hand, it's apparently not complete yet. Just gotta keep telling myself for ten more days, we've got KP now, not Patterson, not Nash, not Trader Bob.

by abdelnaby on Jun 28, 2007 11:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Francis
Great job Dave and nice work today. The more I think  about the trade, the better I feel about it. I just don't think there is any way Steve Francis will be a Blazer next year. Keeping him goes against all their stated goals for the team and the organization. This  combined with the fact that there is another trade in the works means we definitely need to withhold judgment until it all pans out. KP mentioned having the cap flexibility to add a "closer" down the line but I doubt that's happening this year. I would guess they're looking to add specialist role players or younger players and give them a trial run to let them develop and see if the chemistry will click with the 3-star nucleus. That's what I would like to see, at least.

by greasytrail on Jun 28, 2007 11:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fact it is Steve Francis
is what has me a bit sour on the deal.  I am a Maryland grad and I do not like Francis.  He is all about Stevie Franchise, not winning championships.

That said, I am going to follow trevor's example and think positive thoughts.

by timg56 on Jun 29, 2007 12:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction
Demetris Nichols has been traded for a future 2nd with the Knicks.

by howlingfantods on Jun 29, 2007 12:05 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Future Trade(s)
I tend to agree with howlingfantods.  In listening to the press conference it seemed very clear that someone from the Knick trade is involved in another deal.  Think Francis to Seattle in a sign and trade for Rashard or something of that magnitude.  The addition of Fry seems to make the resigning of Travis a question mark unless Channing is the player to be traded.  To me his 2.325 mil doesn't add up to much unless he is part of a package.  Who knows with Trader Kevin?
Riles44

by riles44 on Jun 29, 2007 12:06 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Channing Frye
KP stated that frye is someone they would like to keep and that he fits team philosophy very well. The knicks wanted to keep Frye in last years draft. Frye could not be pried from them, but had to part with something of value to land Randolph. Frye will be a talent for us.

Randolph wasn't attractive enough to land us a marque player such as the guy from the Wiz. This move showed me how loyal Paul Allen is to this team and the fanbase. They found a way to make it work. We get cap releif from the buyout of francis when another team offers him a deal. We only have to buyout one year as the last is a player option. Maybe I am being too optimistic. I am not one of those guys that will miss Dickau or Fred Jones. I loved this move it was a no brainer and an A+ effort.

Did we get that forward from the suns? What is James' role?

by irishda on Jun 29, 2007 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James Jones
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2007/06/the_chosen_1.html

It looks like James Jones is coming to town. Get ready for some leg kicks ala Reggie Miller.

by jonestr on Jun 29, 2007 12:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder
who that "prominent Blazers player" was, who essentially forced that Z-bo trade?
(I know this has nothing to do with James Jones, but I found that by following your link)
Bingo, bango, bongo!

by Babyshoes on Jun 29, 2007 7:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trades
Wow.  Thank you basketball lotto for Greg O.
Greg O.-  Welcome to Portland, to the Rose Garden, to BlazerMania.  We will cheer you on and support you in your quest for the big win and all the littler ones along the way.  It will be so much fun!!
Freddie J.-  The bereavement begins for us who cheered for you at U of O and are now so incredibly bummed to see you go.  Is there any chance one of the newer picks could be substituted? Freddie's was such a small piece of the salary cap and he was such a great assist man from the bench...
Kevin P.-  You are the best!  You are the wheeler dealer king and a great partner to Paul A. to get the biggest bang for the Blazer buck.  I can only adore a fiscally responsible management that arranges for the salary availability to re-sign the great players which the lottery and the trades have sent to our team.  This is a wonderful security for the fans.  I wish there was some special way for us to acknowledge and thank you for your contributions.  Like Tom Peterson and Scott Thomason whose images needed no words, your image could be marketed somehow in the Rose Garden like above a concession stand in which a mark up subsidized a foundation grant in your honor.  One last thought though- Please, keep Travis Outlaw on our team!!!!
Blazer Management- Thank you for the draft day celebration in the Rose Garden.  Thanks for the free parking and for the free arena entry too.  It was a wonderful thankyou for the fans.  We really felt like a valuable part of the process.    
Zach R.-  Best of luck to you.  It has been our joy to watch you play and especially to see you lead the younger players.  They are better players, more able to stand up to opponents for the respect due them, and more able to see their leadership role as players for having played with you.  With many thanks, we will say goodbye to you.  I am pleased that the Knicks are excited to get you.  I predict you may grow in your ability to share the ball and to contribute to more styles of play.  That will please us even more.        

by ladygonegrey on Jun 29, 2007 12:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well done
LGG.  Thank you.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you Dave,
as usual you have expressed my thoughts and feelings much more eloquently than I am capable of, with energy that is truly remarkable.
 I am dumbfounded by the NY trade, and astonished about how quickly my sense of happiness and hope turned to confusion and despair (which is probably too extreme of a word for this circumstance). I physically felt a hollowness in my mid section, like I had just been dumped.
We all believe in KP, but this makes me wonder how much of this trust is just wishful thinking. Hopefully there is more to this to come, or at least eventually an honest explanation.
Maybe when we were all writing about our need to trade Zach for an SF, he thought we meant Steve Francis.
Besides the betrayal of the character issue w/ Francis, I feel that there was a  betrayal of Freddy. Probably not a healthy business or team building perspective.
As far as the rest of the draft went, you are right, I am ecstatic about our future team.
On a side note, I thought it looked extremely phony when ESPN was showing the Blazer war room right after our 2nd pick, someone realized that the camera was on them, at which point they all stood up and clapped and cheered.

by crakarjack on Jun 29, 2007 12:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
Everybody here got that same sense of emptiness.  But I've come to realize it's as much about what happened before as it is about what happened tonight.  It's not fair to hold KP and crew responsible for that or to wish that they'd make trades based on that feeling.  This trade has to be judged on its own merits.

Now if we end up keeping Francis, he comes in here, and he's even more of a dimwad poopstick than Zach was then we have a right to hold management (at least verbally) accountable.  And at that point I wouldn't be shy about calling it a mistake.  But we don't know how this will pan out yet and that means the best course is probably optimism until proven otherwise.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the worst Francis
could do though? One of the problems with Zach was that he had a lot of influence over the young guys due to his tenure and could harm locker room chemistry.

Francis being a newcomer won't have that kind of power. Plus he has no off-the-court issues as I recall. I mean what's he going to do, skip a game and go to a SuperBowl?

by jayseyfield on Jun 29, 2007 12:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No
He's going to start at point guard and hold the ball all day so Roy, LMA, et al can't.  That's my big fear.

If he doesn't do that he's going to languish on the bench and be completely unproductive and maybe a distraction.

Those have been the two choices throughout his career, which is why a guy of his (once) immense talent has been bounced around and reviled so much.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't expect
him to get much playing time if thats the case.

I still think he's traded or bought out. Even if it costs us the exact same amount of money cap room, it frees up a roster space.

by matthewcc on Jun 29, 2007 6:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened before
is a referral to the pain and disappointment we have felt for most of this century? From Isaiah to Sheed and Bonzi? The Whitsett years? The Patterson/Nash era? Yeah, I think it all boiled back to the surface for a while. I'm letting it go.

by crakarjack on Jun 29, 2007 12:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent Job...
on the Entire draft.  It was great fun to watch the picks and then watch the reactions from all the folks on the Edge.  This is just my perception, from a complete Rookies point of view.
  1.  Drafting Greg Oden put in place the most crucial piece of the Blazers Core.
  2.  Sending Zbo on his way was the most logical step in adding the final pieces.  The Price; ask me in two years and I can tell you...until then, all is Just speculation.
  3.  For those of you who are bummed about the above mentioned trade...hrmmm...seem to remember those same voices singing the Praises of KP last week, preaching patience and having a wait and see attitude...Need I say anymore?

by coastrider on Jun 29, 2007 12:18 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The key question is
what are we bummed about?  For me I was bummed because this looked like a move that hearkened back to the bad old days when we'd just trade for talent without caring how it would fit.  We all know that doesn't work.  As I said it also seems like a move that goes against the principles management has set for itself and its acquisitions.  We've been...how to put this...fibbed to a few times over the years.  So naturally there was a big, collective "Uh oh!" from many of us.  But we don't even know what this trade is yet, let alone how it will affect us or what management had in mind.  So it's not time for "Uh oh" quite yet.

We have to understand that for the club this trade was not as much about what we got as what we purged (Zach and the mistake of his extra-long contract).  Darius Miles is now the last holdover (financially anyway) from the hard times.

I don't blame anybody for being apprehensive.  I was/am too.  But a little time is needed before we start keel-hauling people.  It may just work out.  (As long as we're not depending on Stevie Franchise to turn over a new leaf.)

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow
I'm really surprised at all of the Zach lovers out there.  I guess I am in the minority of those wishing him the best of luck but also thanking management for shipping him out.  I saw no future role with Zach on this newly assembled squad both in terms of personality and talent.

If 'character' and 'culture' come out of KPs mouth more so than Krispy Kremes go into DM's gut, how in the heck did the folks not see this coming?  

I agree that Zach has had a nice statistical run, but he did so on a horrible squad, full stop.  One gone, one more to go.

nobody makes me bleed my own blood

by dcblazer on Jun 29, 2007 1:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you misunderstand,
It is not love for Zach, but disappointment that this is all we could get in return, and that it includes a worse team chemistry guy with a horrible contract.

by crakarjack on Jun 29, 2007 8:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for once, i think canzano actually gets one right
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf?/base/sports/1183098492206530.xml& amp;coll=7&thispage=2

Even KP himself said yesterday during the press conference that he doesn't know whether Franchise will dawn a Blazer jersey.  Sometimes a clean break from the past like this provides the additional incentive to the young players as well as demonstrates a degree of trust from management in their capabilities.  

Though a player-player comparison makes the trade look lopsided (in NYs favor), when factoring all of the indirect impacts associated with it, I believe we still come out on top.  

nobody makes me bleed my own blood

by dcblazer on Jun 29, 2007 10:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was intially horrified
by the trade, Francis is in my top five of guys I never wanted to see wear a blazers uniform.  But I trust Pritchard, Penn, and Co., that they know more than I do, so I am adopting a wait and see attitude, like mentioned above ;)

by JPop on Jun 29, 2007 12:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The other trade
This comment on Barrett's blog makes it sound like the other trade that KP intimated then shut up about was just for James Jones. Casey wondered this too. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I hope I am. I assumed they had to wait because they were moving one or two of the players they had just acquired. Is there another other trade?

From Mike Barrett's blog:
"Now, there was one other move you didn't hear about, and it won't be made official for about a week. The Blazers, in conjunction with the trade to New York, used a trade exception to purchase the Fernandez pick (which you did hear about) and will also acquire Phoenix's James Jones."

by greasytrail on Jun 29, 2007 12:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope
to have an answer for you about this by tomorrow.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't understand the reaction
so many are having about the randolph trade. i really don't.

it was a fantastic draft. that we got rudy fernandez and josh mcroberts in addition to oden was incredible. those who have not seen mcroberts play will be very pleasantly surprised. we were very very lucky he was still around.

there evidently may need to be a buyout in order to get fernandez free of his team in spain; i hope that can be settled and he comes over this year. (kopponen i think needs more time.)

we needed to get rid of zach and we did. i don't think we have to worry about nate or kp and how they will deal with stevie f.

channing frye was touted as rookie of the year material not long ago. i have the feeling though that he'll be traded.

the blazers are in awfully good shape. it'll be interesting to see who the alleged sf incoming will be.

thenceforward, everyone on the roster can compete to play.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 29, 2007 12:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno
I would be truly amazed if this was the best deal on the market.

I can't imagine Francis playing for us, but you're right, a buyout doesn't make sense either. There's no way he'll agree to it knowing that he won't make more than 3-4 million on the open market. I just find it extremely hard to believe that Randolph wasn't worth at least a draft pick, and if not that,  some immediate cap relief?? Is his value really that low? I'd like to see what KP does with this "trade for a SF" thing. This incoming SF better be decent, otherwise this trade is ridiculous. If this is what Randolph's value truly was now (it seems like absolute rock bottom), then why couldn't we wait a little longer and see if things would change a little. I'm sure we could have pulled the trigger on a BS deal for an over the hell player with a non-expiring max contract anytime. It doesn't seem like a deal that HAD to be made now, it's not like they were even offering up a draft pick. In other words, it doesn't seem like a deal that's "too good to pass up". I'm sure the knicks would have done this same deal in a month's time, as i'm sure no one else would touch francis' contract.

On a brighter note, I remember thinking Frye was going to be a very good player after his rookie year. He put up a very very respectable 12/7 in just 24 minutes a game. His numbers dipped a little this year, not sure why. At this point, i hope he's not the one traded, only because he's the only player of any value that we got out of this deal. If we trade him for James Jones (i think that's what i've read here), i think I would officially be in depression mode. Trading Randolph for Frye + non-immediate cap relief is just a hard pill to swallow. If it ends up being Zach for Jones + non-immediate cap relief....

I think i'm in the extreme minority in that I'm not 100% convinced LMA will succeed to the extent that we think he will. Channing frye is a prime example, he came back down to earth and now no one views him as anything special. I hope that's not the case. It's just that a vast majority of LMA's success came at the end of what was a worthless season under zero pressuure. I'm not sure how he will hold up over the course of 82 games. Keeping Randolph would have allowed us to see if LMA truly is the real deal, and then deal Randolph accordingly. We know have places a great great deal of responsibility on LMA, let's hope he pans out.

I'm waiting to see what the final version of this deal is....(i'm even more amazed that we threw in Nichols, who looked like he wasn't half bad)

by ssa400 on Jun 29, 2007 12:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Randolph Perspective
Next season, when the Blazers offense actually looks like five guys running around passing a ball between them, ask yourself if you miss Randolph.  When all five guys get all the way back down the court to play defense will you wonder how Stat-Bo is doing in NY?  When Zach's friend's cousin gets pulled over in Zach's car with a gun and a baggie of an illegal substance will you long to see him on the court, 15 feet from the hoop, jab-stepping, while his teammates wonder what the hell he is going to do with the ball?

I won't.

by tssbro on Jun 29, 2007 1:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol
ok, that was pretty funny.  I reckon you're right there.

by JPop on Jun 29, 2007 6:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly
people wonder how we'll replace his numbers. I don't. I would consider myself a luke-warm Randolph supporter. I wouldn't have been unhappy if he came back, but I think this new offense is better off without him.

by matthewcc on Jun 29, 2007 6:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cap Space
First read Canzano this morning.  That's what we got rid of.  Second, I would be surprised if Francis played any more games in a Trailblazer uni next year than Darius.  Even if you use explosives to implode a building to bring it down there is still cleanup work to be done as well as rebuilding.  Give KP time, it will be good in the end.  I too will miss Freddy.  My first time watching him play was his sophomore year at Barlow where he absolutely raised havoc on teams at the State Tourney.  He is a good man, and if NY buys him out, who knows?
Riles44

by riles44 on Jun 29, 2007 9:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another way
of looking at it is, this deal was for Frye and a free agent "closer" in two years when Francis and LaFrentz come off the books. KP et al. talk about getting the players they want. Maybe who they want  really isn't availabe this year. They didn't just settle on what they could get for Zach; instead they found a way to make it possible to get who they really want in two years: the final piece of the puzzle, a closer. This also gives the Roy-LMA-Oden nucleus a year to develop on their own without the distraction of having to work in another big-name guy.

by greasytrail on Jun 29, 2007 12:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must go to bed....
But one more thing. If you just look at this it seems like a decent deal:

Career averages: 566 games, 5.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.5 SPG, 18.4 PPG

I still doubt he'll ever put on a Blazers jersey.

by greasytrail on Jun 29, 2007 1:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my first thought
as to a potential trading partner is to look at the teams who didn't have a draft pick. cleveland didn't, but that doesn't work.

indiana's sf is danny granger, who averaged 13.9 and shot decent percentages across the board.

just a thought.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 29, 2007 1:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who could this be?
Jason Quick mentioned that trading Zach became a foregone conclusion when a prominent Blazers player went to Pritchard and requested that he do so. Wonder who that could be?

by iCollective on Jun 29, 2007 2:03 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the quote from Quick's story
"By early June, Portland general manager Kevin Pritchard knew he would trade Randolph this offseason after a prominent Blazers player requested that Randolph be dealt"

So it was really a foregone conclusion that Zach was gonzo.  Let the speculation begin!

I think it has to be one of two players - only two have the clout right now.  Aldridge or Roy.  The first thing I thought of when I read this was Roy.  Whoever it was, thank you!

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 29, 2007 7:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed.
it's has to be Roy or Aldridge because the management knows these are their future players and don't want to make them mad for any reason, everyone else on the team are just pieces that would be heard from but not listened to, to a point that they would have traded Z-bo for.
Can't wait for the season to begin! GO BLAZERS! ROY is ROOKIE of the Year! Blazers have the #1 pick of the 2007 draft!

by blazerbrads1 on Jun 29, 2007 11:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad Guy??
Does it make me a bad guy if I think the Randolph trade was totally stupid? I am very positive about recieving greg oden. I just think that I shouldn't be viewed as a bad guy or a downer type person if I think that the Zach trade was totaly wrong and dumb, because it was!

I am willing to wait out and see what further happens. But right now KP took a big hit in my book. But I will wait it and out and hopefully he changes my mind. I just hate the fact I feel like I do on a day we drafted Greg F***ING Oden. My favorite player.

I'll give you time KP to prove me wrong. You obviously deserve it. I hope you know what you are doing. I just hate feeling like I do on a day we drafted our franchise player.

Love yeah ODEN!!! MUAHH!

Oden = Dynasty

by JBlazer on Jun 29, 2007 3:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not a bad guy...
I hoped for more but I think they got what they could.  Zach won't make the Knicks better.  In a year they will be complaining about paying him so much money for so few wins.  Zach looks great on paper but he isn't a team guy.

by tssbro on Jun 29, 2007 7:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the good and the bad
your desire to get Oden, was part of what made KP have to trade Zach for so little. It forced his hand.

Wouldn't have happened if he drafted Durant. we could've kept Zach for at least a 1/2 season, and gotten more at the trade deadline.

You gotta live with the good and bad of drafting Oden.

Let's just hope he trades Francis to get a great SF. I'm just worried about what prospect he's going to have to include in that deal (i.e Jarrett Jack)

by jm on Jun 29, 2007 8:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its a plus plus
On the other hand, you can say (as I would) that the first pick gave us the opportunity to trade ZBO for so little.  If we didn't have the Oden sending ZBO somewhere could set us back, because we still needed his capabilities.  This way we can get out from under Zach's longer contract, get a young player, and it gets cazano out of the strip clubs (looking for Zach).  I don't know if ZBO is worth more because he doesn't fit here, its obvious, and all the GMs know that.  Any GM (even Isaiah, maybe McHale) wouldn't pay fair value for ZBO  because of that, so we take a price reduction.  

by TearsforDuckworth on Jun 29, 2007 9:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no time to read
That long post, but i will later tonight-promise.  I just wanted to say a couple of lines first.  

I am VERY excited to be a Blazers fan again.  This is the first time in a very long time that i've felt this way.  I cannot wait until the start of the season to see how well this team meshes and what they are truly capable of.  I am saddened by the loss of Zach, but i feel it was inevitable.  I just wish we could have got more than an overpriced bag of potato chips for him.  I'm not sure how Isiaah took KP for a ride like that, but he did.  Kudos to him.  

My second thought is this:  As much as i enjoyed watching the draft, that Jackass Stephen A. Smith ruined it for me.  That guy is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  I don't care one bit about what he has to say, or the way he has to say it.  It would have been a perfect broadcast crew if they fired him and put Dan Patrick in his place.  (where was Dan, by the way?)

Overall, it was a great night.  Bring on Summer League!  Our Summer League team could possible make a VERY DEEP RUN in the NCAA Tourney we are that good....GO BLAZERS!!!

written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Jun 29, 2007 6:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Francis' final stats
April 15th- 28 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assists
April 17th- 26 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists
April 18th- 24 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assists

He was playing for a contract, much as he will be in Portland.  Still, I hope we package him in a deal for a SF like Marion.

by mjm6783 on Jun 29, 2007 7:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much...
...of our angst over the Knicks deal had to do with the image of those NY fans cheering as if they'd won the finals? Or the mental image of Is. Thomas rubbing his palms together while grinning from ear to ear?

This is not over yet and the proverb about 'the last laugh' keeps coming to mind...

It's our time, folks. Enjoy the ride!

"...though you may fail...aim at something high." Henry David Thoreau

by Dr Dave on Jun 29, 2007 8:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dave
they've been harrassing me since midnight my time last night.they're already talking get this one gang.the new york espn affiliate 1050espn n.y.c. are trying to convince their fans that a curry, lee,crawford for kobe*bynum and this is not a joke.they really belive kobe will be a knick on july 12.it's all over ny radio right now,and their sorry a## moronic fans are salavating.they also believe that zbo will adore the ny night life. and will perform in very very high level,now that's a damn joke.i love the draft especially getting jewels like mc roberts,green and the kid from syracuse and r.fernandez.pricthard is my executive of the year,only proving you can build a foundation through the draft.and to that we should all stand up and thank k.pricthard. thank-you k.pricthard from all of us true die hard fans at blazersedge.com....

by fatty on Jun 29, 2007 8:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GM's toughest job
A GM's toughest job (not exhaustive, nor in any order of importance):

  1.  Know when this is the year of the old saying, "Better a year too early, than a year too late."

  2.  Use your strengths to deal with your weaknesses.

  3.  Make decisions that could cost you your job.

The trade with NY hits on all of these points to some degree.  It appears from Quick's and Canzano's articles that the FO was not going to wait for a "year too late" to come around with Z-Bo.  KP acts to take a hit now, rather than wait.  The major strength of the team under all circumstances is that the owner is a multi-billionaire and willing to spend money.

When I look at this move, I see Billy Beane like qualities.  I think the undervalued (moneyball) commodity here is that management should act whenever possible to create flexibility against the cap.  Limiting the impact of losses is just as important as maximizing the impact of gains.  

Right now, I'm trusting KP is spending Allen's money at it's maximum value.

by eknpdx on Jun 29, 2007 8:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mov'in on Up
Wow, Zack will not be missed at all. Forget him. The new direction of the Blazers is something all Blazer fans should rejoice in. Look what the future possibly holds. CHAMPIONSHIP'S as in multiple. The Blazers of the early 90's was a team the city was proud to be represented by, and they only made it to the finals twice. With this core of young OUTSTANDING people/players watch out. This will be a ride like we've never seen before.  All I can say is hold on, strap yourself in, Because the B-Train is about to take off. And this should be alot of fun for us all.
!!!!!GO BLAZERS!!!!

by Goob on Jun 29, 2007 8:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
If we had kept Randolph for another year, and he scored 15 pts 8 rebs (in the crowded front court)... then we would have got even less for him in a later trade.

Those draft picks last night were fantastic. KP... you've done it again.

by MattD on Jun 29, 2007 10:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Francis buyout
Can we force Francis into a buyout, if we offer him the full value of his remaining contract ($16 and $17 million) over the next two years, or can he refuse?

by Monochromo on Jun 29, 2007 10:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not All is Lost
Dave,

The Randolph trade had to happen on draft day because the Blazers used the trade exception from the NY deal to acquire Fernandez.  Tied up in the whole thing was sending Nichols and getting a future second back.

In essence, the Blazers traded Randolph for Frye, Rudy Fernandez, James Jones, and cap relief.  

For Everyone:

Frye will be an effective 10/5 guy off the bench, and may turn into even more.  He is only a 3rd-year player, after all.  James Jones is filler, but Fernandez will be very good in two or three years.  

Biggest of all is the impact that not having Randolph on the roster will mean.  I've argued in the past that Randolph's 23/10 stat was worth a LOT on the trade market.  I was wrong - not Pritchard.  We didn't get talent in return for Randolph, but if that is what you were looking for, your expectations were unrealistic.  In the end, we didn't just dump Z-Bo.  

Cap relief, a role-player that could turn into a little more, and a potential backcourt starter is not a bad haul in and of itself.  But when you factor in the positive effect on other team players, the positive effect on the team's offensive style of play and overall team defensive improvement, then you have to consider this trade a significant success.  

Think about that for a moment:

Without Zach Randolph's 23/10 numbers, the Blazer's should be able to score more and give up less - and his former teammates will be happier doing it.  How is that not a good trade?

A few of you (ok, more than a few) lament the loss of low-post scoring.  However, let's face it: the most frustrating element of the Blazer's game last year was watching Randolph hold the ball or the big stiff (Magloire) camp out, wait for the ball, and make a 10-second move to the hoop.  This style of play maximized Randolph and Magloire, but minimized the rest of the team.  Now, we no longer have either of the low-post isolation stagnaters to shorten the shot clock.  

Neither will the Blazers play a 3-man fast break defense.  Finally, the Blazers have the right pieces in place to play an up-tempo game without conceding an advantage.  

The other element to the Randolph trade amounts to a management confession that the Blazers are not pushing for playoffs in 2007/2008.  If they do make it, great for experience.  If they don't, no big.  Randolph represented more than 23/10 stats - he was the most experienced fixture in the lineup.  In effect, our management staff is telling us that there is no point in paying for talent that won't take us to the promised land.  

by blacknoise on Jun 29, 2007 10:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
The trade exception info hadn't become clear when I posted.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 29, 2007 12:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A couple years ago the Knicks wouldn't trade Frye
He was that good.  And really who could flourish on that Knicks team with all those huge egos??

But there is something else happening, KP hints at another trade looming.  I wonder if Frye or Francis are part of that.

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 29, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh McRoberts has Played with Greg Oden
In a 2004 AAU summer league, Josh McRoberts played with Greg Oden on the Spiece Indy Heat team.  Mike Conley Jr (4th pick) and Daequan Cook (21st pick)also were on that team. They won the Tourneyment of Champions and Greg Oden received the MVP.

by ladygonegrey on Jun 29, 2007 3:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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