Zach Randolph = Jason Terry or Lamar Odom

Jarrett Jack = David Lee or Jameer Nelson

Great idea, and I agree fans overrate the players on their teams. I'm a fan but I think I can be completley un-biased about this.

LaMarcus Aldridge: Emeka Okafor

Jarett Jack: Rajon Rondo

Travis Outlaw: Kyle Korver

Joel Pryzbilla: Jerome James

Zach Randolph: Marcus Camby

Sergio Rodriguez: Jason Maxiell

Brandon Roy: Jason Terry

Ime Udoka: Renaldo Balkman

Martell Webster: Nate Robinson

Analysis: I know Aldridge is great but I think as a rookie he's still a unproven commodity. His pure upside is currently equal to Okafor's consistency.

Jack has shown flashes, but his inconsistency coupled with lack of media attention brings him to about Rondo's level. Both perhaps underappreciated.

Outlaw's athleticism is about par with Korver's shooting in terms of trade value.

I think everyone outside Portland thinks Joel is just another white stiff. So low trade value.

Randolph's baggage and defense lowers his trade value but his offense is hard to ignore so it about evens out to Camby's defense.

Roy is great but at this point he's more about the intangibles than the numbers. Terry's pretty accomplished so about equal here.

Brandon Roy: Same value as Chris Paul.. runaway rookie of the year, great young versatile player, and has already shown he can be clutch. He was the CP3 of the 06 rookie class.

Zach Randolph: Lamar Odom. Big contract, but serious talent. Won't win you a title, but could be a piece of the title.

Jarrett Jack: Raymond Felton. Both are young prospects but haven't done enough to warrant being valued to high, but because of their potential their still valuable and require more then a scrub or a 2nd round pick or expiring deal to pry away from the other team.

Martell Webster: Gerald Green. Both came out the same year and haven't done a whole lot. Green would actually be valued quite higher cause of the slam dunk contest and some big games he's had.

Sergio Rodriguez: A healthy Shaun Livingston. Before his freak injury, Livingston was considered a big time prospect, but other injuries had slowed him. He shows great skills, but it wasn't all there. Sergio's the same way. He's shown serious passing skills and court vision, now it's a matter of time and work.

Travis Outlaw: Hakim Warrick. Warrick is really just a 6th man, same as Outlaw, but Warrick had a really good first half of season when starting. I believe he averaged 16-9 for a while. Niether is a consistent performer but both are athletes who can contribute, and occasionally a big time performance.

LaMarcus Aldridge: David Lee. If Lee would be let loose he could be a stud, he still is, as averaging a double double off the bench is nasty.. In another year or 2, and after Zbo is moved, Aldridge will finally be known to the world.

Zach-Marion, the big thing that hurts both of these players is that they are not overly valuable to their teams.  Marion's underapreciated for what he does for the Suns, and seems to be at odds with the man (amare).  It seems that teams look at these players are looking for deal, and therefore won't deal for the actual trade value.  (For the record I actually think that Zach is undervalued by P-town fans, and is probably the only player which is undervalued).  

Roy-Josh Howard: Only other guy I could think of with the diverse skill set.  Roy isn't as accomplished, but he is probably a better culture guy and is younger.  Both these guys seem to fill holes you didn't know you had.

LMA-Webber:  Here I think what you give up in proven ability and skill in Webber you get potential ability and youth with LMA.  Personally LMA will probably be a Chris Bosh clone (good thing), but he isn't there yet so Bosh isn't his trade value . . . yet.  A deal involving these two players would really be based on the value of experience versus potential to the respective teams.  

Webster-Adam Morrision:  You are given two brown paper bags with holes in them.  You don't know whats inside, but it could be a golden scoring touch, which do you pick?  Both the players are too young, and too new to the league to give up on them, but some people want to.  I don't think you know what you have with either player, could be good, could be fantastic, could be NBDL.  This really comes down to a trade of unknowns.  

Udoka-No comparison: Many local players are overvalued because they are just that local, but Udoka really has no reasonalbe return value from any other team.  There was something like 64 comments on the recent Oden chat because Oden mentioned he liked LA, and this is just a slight indication of how fiercly local the fans are.  This guy is the ultimate hometown player and story.  Everyone can relate a little bit to his story, and this town seems to idolize the gritty player (Maurice Lucas anyone).  For these reasons, I don't think he has nearly the value anywhere else.  

Sergio-Jason Williams circa 98-00:  There is a lot of indicators making sergio the next J williams.  He certainly has the talent to become a better player than that, but it wouldn't suprise me to see he go down that road.  He is still young and any trade including him would be strictly on potential.    

Zach Randolph is worth Jermaine O'Neal.  They have both been proven 20 & 10 guys.  Zach's reputation regarding attitude makes up for Jermaine being on the down side of his career, but both can be the piece to push a team who is close over the hump (Cleveland, Golden State, Utah, e.g.).

Lamarcus Aldridge is worth Gerald Wallace.  This weighs Lamarcus's potential against the proven consistency of Gerald Wallace.  I wasn't high on Gerald Wallace initially, but he has shown the poise and confidence that I hope to see Lamarcus one day exhibiting.

Brandon Roy is worth Deron Williams.  They are both such an important piece for their respective teams.  I believe that execs. around the league have similar feelings about each of these two young players.  They both have the leadership qualities that I think league execs. are looking for.

Jarrett Jack is worth Luke Ridnour.  They have both proven to be solid floor leaders and consistent decision makers.  They seem to know what their teams need and when they need it, whether it be scoring or passing.  Both lack the defensive prowess that is needed to be a complete player.

Sergio Rodriguez is worth Tyrus Thomas.  Both are unproven freakish athletes.  Tyrus can jump and Sergio has the vision.  They both have glaring weaknessnes and need time to improve.  They are both probably very intriguing to execs. around the league and I'm sure they will be watching the maturation of both very closely.

Darius Miles is worth Bonzi Wells (equal to a coupon for a free chalupa).  Well, they are both carcinogenic tumors that will never sign another NBA contract.  They are both nonexistent to their respective teams.  They both flushed their potential down the drain and will live with that regret until long after all of their money is spent.

Realistically,
Zach:  Vince Carter
Jack:  Smush Parker

The POSITION a player plays has added importance in comparing value (i.e. Oden vs Durant - Top potential Center vs Top potential SF). I'm only picking "like" players that play the same position.

Zach - Elton Brand, LAC (without the "blocking" capability)
used: http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp

Jarrett - Delonte West, Bos

Ime - Dahntay Jones, Mem or Marquis Daniels, Ind (healthier & with 3pt capability)

Travis -  Rudy Gay, Mem (older)

Martell -  Fred Jones, Por (same output but taller)

roy=b.gordon-nice piece to a championship team
zbo=p.gasol-both compilers not winners
aldridge=no joke r.wallace with class
jack=d.stoudamire in time
webster=d.curry
d.miles=joe barley cares
dickau=s.brooks
lafrentz=charles smith
outlaw=s.swift
f.jones=flip murray
pryzbilla=w.purdue
udoka=pete myers
sergio=t.j.ford with better court vision

comparing roy to c.paul randolph to guys like marion and rip hamilton.remember 1 important fact s.marion is a 5 time all*star 1 with j.kidd.twice with s.marbury which is an accomplishment all on it's own.and twice with s.nash while zbo has been to none.and rip is a ncaa*nba champion zbo is a known complier around the league.and as far as roy goes,he's a nice player but the franchise is coming in 9 days.c.paul is a franchise point guard and like isaid,10 time all nba.and as far as my boy d.williams goes,if a certain moron g.m. would've listened to his young aid,we should've had either williams or paul but that's old news. williams is on a another planet while all the blazers guys need either durant or oden to make them winners.bottom line guys you are who you are. and other than the class of 06-07 the rest of the roster is mediocre at best.but k.pricthard will take care of that problem on draft night.

Jack = Devin Harris, Dal: Two young, developing PGs with considerable upside that will need the right sitaution to reach it.

Outlaw = Peja Stojakovic, NOK: I think the Hornets would happily swap the injury-prone Peja for a player with Travis' potential.

Randolph = Carlos Boozer, UT: Clones. 20-10 guys with little defensive presence. Seriously doubt that Sloan would be interested, however.

Webster = Ryan Gomes, BOS: Maybe Danny Ainge can once again be persuaded to swap for one of Portland's shaky lottery picks.

 

Jack - Ridnour ( completely different styles, but in my opinion PGs that are more suited for backup roles and may start for bad teams)

Zach - Antawn Jamison ( Big offense, no defense guys,  off court issues and lenght of contract decrease Zachs's value)

Martell - Adam Morrison ( Busts with a chance to redeem themselves)
LMA - Bargnani
Roy - Rudy Gay ( Gay's upside is higher but Roy is a definite winner
Sergio - Gerald Green ( Completely different obviously, but both players showed flashes of tremendous potential but also a lot of inconsistency)
Outlaw - Sasha Pavlovic ( Outlaw's uside is higher , but the downside is lower)

I'd probably choose all the blazers players over the others but this  would be the homer in me choosing.

zbo=c.boozer in being a ncaa champion,many future all*star apperances,team usa and a class winner on and off the court.plaese let us know.you guys love mediocrity boy i tell yah!!!!still overating these guys.antawn jamison no way,jack is compared to d.harris are you people nuts.the reason why d.harris will be a major player in this league is he's fast,goes strong to the hole,and can stand in front of t.parker*s.nash's of the world something mr.jack can't do.that's why mr.pricthard wants to upgrade the position.like i said though you guys love mediocrity.

excellent points my man !!!!!

as a bandwagonfan, i can't make these comparisons; hats off to those who can.

i agree with fatty: too many homers in homy portlandville; so this post rocks.

please, all fans be put on notice! we must move fast to win now. the window will open quickly. if we wait (for, say, potential), our franchise player will walk; the  national media will find another cute name for us; and portland will become a ghost town.

i think kp knows this.

For the most part we refrained from beating each other up. Dave did ask for our opinions.

The thing that jumps out at me most is the lack of focus on defense. With Zach that is a non-factor except for Marion comparisons. With Roy at 6-6 able to guard big guards and some smaller and Aldridge playing outstanding defense for a rookie big their values must increase.

We certainly did expose our prejudices. Nice job.

Oh and I would trade Martell for Devin Harris. Both are short-timers with their present team unless they show a lot soon. There are very few players I would trade Aldridge, Roy and Sergio for right now.

I do think the Blazers and their fans (yes, ia m one) need to be patient. I was here when we got the #1 pick and drafted Bill Walton. I was also ready to despair by the spring on 1976. It takes bigs some time to get good and it takes a couple or three years for young teams to learn how to win like the Spurs know. Progress is what I want to see for now.

I would be more curious to see what people from other fan sites think.  Maybe we could do the same for their players.

Anyhow...here's my shot:

Jack - Childress or Pietrus -- decent players at their position, with some flaws; not sure if they're starters or backups.

Aldridge - Bynum -- Tons of potential, talented big man, would bring back a lot in a trade.  Aldridge seems more likely to realize his potential, but Bynum has more value as a true center.

Roy - Tyrus Thomas -- I think Roy is undervalued in the market.  Many in the media view him as the "default" rookie of the year, and those perceptions tend to bleed over.  I think both of these guys are viewed as potential all-star players who are limited in some way (Thomas by lack of an offensive game, Roy by a perceived lack of athleticism).

Zach - Jason Richardson -- Both perceived as selfish, mostly offensive-minded players with knee problems.  Zach gets a knock for his off-court problems, but he plays a more valuable position.

Webster - Adam Morrison -- I tried not to pick players who someone had already picked, but I can't think of anyone else for Webster.  Both highly touted coming in, both are questionable as NBA players at this point.  Maybe you could find some GM who was high on their potential, but otherwise it would be hard to get much of anything for them at this point.

Sergio - Rondo -- Both are young, largely unproven PGs who have shown serious potential.  I don't think either Boston or Portland would part with these guys.  Not sure what the rest of the league would give up for them, but you would get some value.

Outlaw - Jason Maxiell -- Young guy with potential, but the look of a solid rotation player for years to come.  I think both guys still have some upside that GMs might overpay for, but they are starting to look like known quantities.

Jarrett Jack - Smush Parker

Dan Dickau - Rick Brunson

Sergio Rodriguez - Antoine Wright

Brandon Roy - Richard Hamilton

Fred Jones - Juan Dixon

Travis Outlaw - Sasha Vukojic

Ime Udoka - Luke Walton

Darius Miles - Vin Baker

Zach Randolph - Rasheed Wallace

LaMarcus Aldridge - Andrea Bargnani

Raef Lafrentz - Adonal Foyle

Joel Przybilla - Dale Davis

Wow.  This thread basically provided proof positive that Blazer fans are eating overvalue sandwiches for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Zach = Stephen Jackson.  Selfish head-cases just as likely to put up a double-felony as a double-double.  Marion?  Please.  Matrix is a great defender and rebounder with all-around game.  Multiply Zach's vert by 10 and it still doesn't equal Marion.  Boozer?  Never.  Booze has better post moves, is a rebounding machine, doesn't have a rep for being selfish, and no off-court problems with drugs, hookers, and guns.  Carter?  Odom?  Jermaine?  Rashard?  Homer-goggles are strong, ladies.  Zach's reputation is crap league-wide, as is his trade value.

Roy = Tony Parker.  Funny that the one guy on the team that has great value is the one that seems to be most undervalued here.

Aldridge = Tyrus Thomas.  Flashes here and there, but still hasn't proven squat.  Had exactly 4 games last year of 20+ pts and 7 games of 10+ rebs.  All potential until he proves he can be a consistent force, which he hasn't even come close to doing yet.

Webster = Trajan Langdon.  Langdon is currently starring for CSKA Moscow, which is where Webster will be in 2 years.

Outlaw = James White (SA).  They can jump.  Woop de damn doo.  Barely deserves to be on a roster.

Jack = Jacque Vaughn.  Will never be more than a 3rd PG.  

Ime = Danny Fortson.

Sergio = Travis Diener.

Przybilla = Jeff Foster.

Lafrentz, Miles, Jones, Dickau = Ha Seung Jin, Jalen Rose, Pat Burke, Billy Donovan.

By the way, no player has been more overvalued by Blazer fans than Greg Oden.  You're all setting yourselves up for a big, nasty fall if you actually believe your fantasies about "We'd only CONSIDER Lebron for that pick."

Complete, utter, ridiculous foolishness.  There are at least 15-20 NBA players that Portland should trade the pick for, and another 10 on top of that they should consider.