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paul allen's motives

i know a lot of you hate thinking about this, but a You be the GM comment got me thinking again:  is paul allen planning on moving the blazers to seattle? he bought the rose garden which we all take as the final sign in the blazers staying in portland. but what if, as some argument i read months ago said, he only bought it because it makes it easier to move a team when you own the arena (not sure how this works, but perhaps someone could chime in). also, maybe he was instrumental in picking up roy. the seattle-born hero. imagine his homecoming. imagine mcmillan's homecoming.

this only scares me because the potential loss could be so great. can you imagine going through the years we've gone through just to have the blazers move up to seattle?

does anyone think there is any weight to this paranoia?

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No.

He still has an exclusive site agreement with the City of Portland for one thing.

Unless he's willing to fund it himself, I don't see a NBA arena (one more suitable for NBA economics than the Key) being built in the Seattle area anytime soon.

And I don't think the good folks at Emmert International, even if they could, would be willing to haul the Rose Garden up I-5.  :)

by EngineerScotty on May 15, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

No.
I believe Paul Allen owning the arena outright makes it less likely that he'll move the team. What's he going to do, turn around and sell it (without the team) for a 10% profit? I don't think so.

And if the Sonics have been having such a hard time with the legislature up in WA, why would Paul think he could fare any better? I think Paul understands that the Blazers are deeply woven into the Portland fabric, and I don't think he has the chutzpa to break the city's collective heart like that. But most important, I really believe that Paul loves the Blazers--this is not simply a business proposition for him, unlike the new ownership group in Seattle--and loving the Blazers means doing what's best for the franchise, which is to leave it in Portland.

by bfan on May 15, 2007 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Allen's love for this team
Seattle may be home to PA, but Portland is the home to the Trailblazers.  If there is one thing that has finally broken through to the kid inside of the Blazer's Illustrious owner, it's that a team thrives when it is loved by it's fans.  Pure and simple.  The true depths of Portland's love for the Blazers has, will and always shall be one of the shinning stars of the NBA and Paul Allen recognizes this.  This team is not about the money, but the joy of building a winner in a community filled with love for the game.  

The emotional and financial rewards for Allen will be much greater by keeping this team in Portland, than it would be if he moved the team to Seattle.  

There is a bigger fan base in Portland, for the Trailblazers, than there is in Seattle for the Sonics.  By beating the odds in a smaller market and challenging the bigger markets, Allen has an opportunity to support the underdog.  And we all know fans love the underdogs.

For Paul Allen, I don't get the sense that this is about money.  I also feel that he considers the Blazers more than just a hobby.  He's shown over the years that he has a love for the game, that would be more than tainted if he decided to pick up and move the team, even to Seattle.  

If you start from the bottom and make it to the top, it is so much sweeter than if you start at the top.  If you start at the top, it's only down hill from there.  When Paul Allen bought this team, we were a player away from making it deep into the playoffs.  Now, with 20 years of ownership under his belt, he has an opportunity to build his team from scratch, nurture the fan base and really provide an opportunity for a little piece of history.  This time, however, he gets to grow as a Portland fan and be amazed at the progress, just like the rest of us.

Even for a Billionaire, it still feels good to earn the things you get.

Was Damon really a bad Blazer, or did he get the short end of the stick?

by rpxxxiv on May 15, 2007 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

And don't forget the Mariners/Seachickens syndrome
Those are the "home teams" for Portland--most Portland friends of mine who have
a favorite NFL or MLB team claims those teams as their own.

So, in a Sonics-less pacific northwest, the Portland Trail Blazers
would become the home team for the Puget Sound area as well, including Seattle.
Paul Allen knows this, and is looking forward to selling beaucoup red-and-black
Roy jerseys in all the myriad corners of Seattle and points surrounding.
I could see, MAYBE, the occasional game or two per season played in the Seattle area.
That's about as much as he'd do--gravy-train the SeaTac market on behalf of
what will always be the Portland Trail Blazers.

(Makes one wonder if he saw the OKC situation coming ahead of time
when he started riding the Seattle talent train, with Martell, then Nate, and then Roy.
Just don't take Hawes, unless he's still available in the second round,
which he would be in an ideal universe . . . )

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 15, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

i can easily see p.allen
moving the team to seattle.it's clearly the most beautiful city in america.on;y vancouver is a more gorgoues city on this entire continent.and if p.a. wins a super bowl which i do believe they will this season.the city will be his and if they built him a sparkling beautiful football stadium a basketball arena in surburban seattle is a piece of cake.if the blazers moved to vegas,anaheim,sea, sillicon valley i'm there.k.city forget it but those cities i'm still a die*hard.why i have the angels in the o.c.,my runnin rebs in vegas,i love seattle,and i love the smart babydolls in sillicon valley so i don't lose either way.k.c. forget it..

by fatty on May 15, 2007 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

a few things
first 3 comments are exactly what i wanted to hear to put my worries to rest. however, QP, the rise in seattle talent is exactly what concerns me, it's almost as if he's trying to play right into their hands.

regarding your comments fatty, one, the seaturkeys are not winning the super bowl. not this year. with a tired running back, a doubtful quarterback, a haphazard (but extremely talented) receiving line, and a pieced together offensive line i'm predicting a 10-6 record (at the very best) and a second round elimination. slightly better than last year's 9-7 and should-have-been first round elimination. from there, it's down hill.

but excuse my digression. even if they did win, the WA legislature and seattle city council would continue to refuse to provide public funding for a basketball arena. that will never change. the same way portland will never offer such incentives to professional sports. something in the NW... we hate building arenas with public funds despite the clear economics of the tax benefits they provide over the years.

so what does all this mean? i don't trust paul. he's not a good businessman, so the "the blazers are move valuable in portland" argument is kind of moot. he's arrogant, thus making the public funding for an arena meaningless to him. and he's rich (see previous point). sure, he loves the blazers. but i doubt he necessarily loves the blazers in portland. he could probably love them just as much in seattle.

the thought of seattle b-ball fans rooting for the blazers, though, is amazing. if a single game is played up there, though, i'm blaming stern.

by PhillthyBaller on May 15, 2007 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

not a chance...
that the Blazers move to Seattle.  And because PA could get Seattle's TV rights without actually having to move the team there, there is even less incentive to do it.  That's on top of the exclusive site agreement, the fact that there's no arena in Seattle, and how stupid it would be to break up a sports monopoly in a city of Portland's size.

Only Blazer games you'll be seeing in Seattle is a preseason game.  The Portland Trail Blazers will remain the PORTLAND Trail Blazers.

What's a signature?

by David Piper on May 15, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I share your paranoia
and the above arguements don't let it rest.  Is the Key Arena crumbling, dangerous?  Blazers played in the substandard Memorial Coliseum for years until PA built us the Rose Garden.  If he sold the Blazers, what would stop him from building another in Seattle?  Owning both parts  makes the team easier to sell - that was made clear when he was testing the market earlier. And as far as his learning that Portland loves the Blazers - I don't know that he truly understands the depth of that love - and I'm not sure that would make a difference if he could have the team in his backyard and have the players over for a little shootaround after dinner ...  I don't obsess over it, but whenever I think of it there is a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach.  The only thing that will set me at ease is that Seattle has a team or that PA sells the Blazers to a group that will respect what we have here (e.g. local owners or Terry Porter's group.)
"CAN DO 30 PAGES 2 DAYS. NEED 30 DAYS TO DO 2 PAGES." - telegram from Mark Twain to his publisher.

by jorga on May 15, 2007 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Better solution:
Since the Sonics are clearly falling apart from the top down, why doesn't PA just buy them, bankrupt them, sell off all the spare parts, and then move Rashard down to Portland?

by bfan on May 15, 2007 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

The NBA would never allow that.

While it is conceiveable that the NBA might contract at some point, if it happens it would likely be a leaguewide thing.  (Remember back in the 90s when baseball considered contracting the Twins and Expos?)

It would be a difficult process; as the NBAPA would likely demand a pound of flesh to go along.  At any rate, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

If any team deserves to get whacked in that manner, it ain't the Sonics.  (Unwillingness to shell out megamillions to build a team doesn't equal poor fan support; ignoring the team over the years OTOH does)--Atlanta would get my first vote.  Even then, relocation is probably a better option.

by EngineerScotty on May 16, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

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