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Fixing the Lottery (Again)

I was going to save this until the end of the season but Jeff Van Gundy outed the weirdness of the lottery process yesterday and it's getting national attention, so I'll just take the plunge now and repeat myself later if need be.  This is a refinement of an idea I first talked about last year but I'm going to bring it up every year until something is done.

Van Gundy's suggestion was to put every team in the lottery to prevent teams from purposely losing games.  I think that's crazy talk.  First of all there are too many teams with a shot at #1 as it is.  Second I didn't hear him suggesting this when Houston was a very bad team (how quickly we forget) and in the midst of the lottery themselves.

However the team I love does have a relatively poor record and is in the middle of the lottery pack this year and I'm suggesting right now that the system needs to be changed.  It's a mark of my earnestness that, if things remain the way they are right now, the changes I'm suggesting would affect my team more negatively than any other.  I absolutely think they should be made anyway.  Here's why:

Problem #1:  There's a basic issue of fairness. When the worst team in the league only has a 1 in 4 chance at the top pick and actually has a greater statistical chance of getting the fourth pick than the first, something is wrong.  This has been an issue for years. Anyone remember the Minnesota Timberwolves' run at futility from '89 to '95? There's no arguing they were the worst team in the league during that stretch. And part of the reason is because they had horrible lottery luck, consistently picking below their record position. Had more people known about KG in 1995 (Joe Smith went #1, Garnett fell to the 'Wolves at #5) they might still be there.

Now mind you I've heard pious sounding people say, "I don't believe in any system that rewards people for losing."  You don't?  Then it's easy.  Just give the Dallas Mavericks the first pick in the draft right now and proceed down the list from there.  What's that?  That's not a fair solution?  Then you DO believe in a system that favors teams that need the most help, we're just arguing matters of degree and balance.  And the balance right now is askew, making it entirely too possible for bad teams to remain bad through the bouncing of ping pong balls over which they have no control.

Problem #2:  The small chance that the best-record teams in the lottery have of gaining the highest picks leaves the process in a no-man's land with a treacherous cliff nearby.  Most of the time the 10th-14th teams won't move up to spots 1-3.  The odds are weighed heavily against them and it's anticlimactic to the point of being a sham to have their representatives show up on selection day.  But that sham is the best-case scenario.  If they do hit the jackpot and move up it gets even worse.  The only people who get a great feeling about that are the fans of the team that gets lucky.  Everyone else will be plenty upset, especially all the teams below them on the food chain...not to mention their near competitors.  If a small market team moves up you've pleased 2% of your fan base and ticked off the other 98%.  If a huge market makes the leap the pleased folks might increase to 5% but now most of the other 95% are accusing you of rigging the process to benefit the bigger markets.  Imagine what would happen if the Lakers lost Kobe to injury, missed the playoffs by one game, and then got the #1 pick this year.  Worse, imagine what would happen if one year three of those 8th-14th teams all moved up.  I know it's all but impossible but people do win Powerball you know.  If such a horrific confluence occurred the league would surely take steps to make sure it never happened again.  So why are they waiting, playing with a ticking time bomb?  What are they trying to preserve?  The way things are right now you're choosing between a dud and a disaster.

Problem #3:  The lottery was invented to reduce the likelihood of teams tanking.  But has it?  If all of the talk this year about the subject is to be believed, one would guess not.  And that's the stronger point...whether or not teams really do tank is probably less important than if the public thinks they tank and talks about them doing so.  Reality or not, the perception is enough to taint your league.  Even with the lottery there's been more tanking talk this year than in any I can remember including the Olajuwon draft.  At least back in 1984 the tanking scuttlebutt surrounded one team.  This year almost every team that's underperformed enough to miss the playoffs has been accused. Worse, their fans are openly debating the pros and cons.  The lottery hasn't reduced the suspicion of tanking.  It has quasi-legitimized it and spread it to 14 teams instead of maybe 1 or 2.  It's having the opposite effect of what was intended.

The Proposed Solution: The NBA should institute a two-tier lottery, separating the drawings for the first and second half of the participants. The split should come after the 7th spot. Only the top group would be drawing for the #1 pick.

The percentages for each team to win the top pick could look something like this:

(worst record) 40%, 25%, 15%, 10%, 5%, 3%, 2% (best record)

Under this system the worst three teams have a better shot at getting the #1 pick than they do now while the other teams' chances are slightly reduced.

The current method of drawing only for the first three picks and then seeding the remainder of the group by record should be retained so nobody can fall more than three spots from their original position.

The second-tier non-playoff teams lose all chance at the #1 pick, but that's as it should be. There's no way that a team that barely missed the playoffs should have ANY chance at that spot.  This tier could simply be seeded by record, but if the league wants to preserve the lottery excitement through all 14 teams, let the second tier have their own drawing for the remaining spots (top draw getting the #8 pick and so on). It may not be quite as big of a jump, but a team with the 14th-best record in the league should still be plenty excited about getting the #8 pick if that happens.  And fewer people would be upset about their fortune too.  

This system addresses all three problems enumerated above.  The worst teams are not guaranteed the best picks but they'll probably get them more often than they do now.  Everybody has a meaningful chance to move up but nobody could move up so far that it would ruin the process.  If there were any tanking talk it would be localized to the bottom teams in the league.  Perhaps people might accuse the 8th worst team of trying to get into the 7th position but debating whether Portland is trying to lose more than Philadelphia is not likely to get much conversational traction nation-wide.  Certainly the issue is more hidden (being in the middle of the standings) than it is currently.  Also the teams nearer the playoffs would be absolved completely from tanking accusations as nobody would throw a chance at the playoffs for a chance to move up to #8.

The NBA has a track record of not fixing things until disaster strikes. (See also: New York winning the first lottery, Orlando's back-to-back first picks, the current playoff seeding system.) I hope it doesn't take a bizarre 10-13 spot jump for somebody to open their eyes about this. Really, the fact that most of the worst teams aren't getting the #1 picks right now should be enough to do it.

If you like it, spread the word.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I support Euro promotion/demotion system
I support a far more radical change. Nobody is tanking when the whole franchise can get sent to the minors if they lose too many games. Teams have to win to stay up in the top league.

I love the European futbol promotion/demotion system. There's every bit (if not more) drama surrounding teams fighting to avoid relegation to the minors as there is for league championships.

As far as talent acquisition goes, chuck the draft. Let teams sign kids to youth contracts when they are 12. It ends this sham of "amateurism." The only true amateur athletes are either in the Biathlon or the Olympic speed-walking events. Everyone else is getting slid money under the table somehow.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 28, 2007 12:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I imagine
that most speculation about tanking etc. comes from fans and writers.  It might be something teams would be more likely to think about if draft picks actually turned out to be best to worst in the order they were picked.  With the exception of years where Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Shaq, etc. were drafted, it doesn't turn out that way.

by bbfred on Mar 28, 2007 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know ...
I just don't think the problem is as bad as you do, Dave. Call me crazy, but this is the first year in a long time that I've even noticed the "tanking" chatter. More than an ongoing problem, I think it's just a byproduct of having the potential for a VERY good draft.

But I don't know what sport doesn't deal with this. Maybe football because contracts aren't guaranteed, so there actually are consequences for players that just decide to mail it in at the end of the year on a losing team. So more than the draft system, the problem probably lies with individual team culture and the salary structure of the league as a whole.

And further, football is a bit different since there are so many players that make up a team--adding one top recruit doesn't change your fortunes instantaneously like it does in basketball, where teams are made of 12-15 players. Basketball is obviously a team sport, but the potential for an individual to change the outcome for a team is simply much higher, and no draft system is really going to change that. The teams that WANT to tank because they don't have the proper winning culture instilled from the top down are simply always going to do so. By limiting the chance at the top pick to the bottom 7, you have actually expanded the possibility of tanking to two groups: those vying for the top spot, and those vying to get into the top 7. Right now, if it's a problem at all, it's mostly limited to just those bottom two or three teams, except in a year like this where getting the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft can also be very important for your franchise.

I guess that's a lot of postulating just to say that I think the system is fine the way it is.

by bfan on Mar 28, 2007 7:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When I saw the title...

"how to fix the lottery", my first thought was "how David Stern can rig the process to ensure that a big-market team like Boston or Chicago (via NY) lands Durant, rather than a tiny-market team like Milwaukee or Memphis".

Not sure where PDX rates on that scale; though I suspect we're closer to the Grizzlies of the world.  :)

by EngineerScotty on Mar 28, 2007 8:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We probably out-Grizzly the Grizzlies
When I lived in Boston during the Drexler Blazer years, the first year that they made it to the championships, the Boston Globe had an actual map of the US on the front page of the sports section with an arrow pointing out where Portland, OR is.

That, my friends, is a small market.

by howlingfantods on Mar 28, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Solution or two.
I don't completely agree with your solution. Even a team that just didn't make the playoffs should have a chance at that spectacular player that pushes their team into the stratosphere. That's what makes the game exciting. I do think that you can take out the need/possibility of a team tanking though. You remove the carrot from in front of the horse.

We currently have 30 teams, 16 of which make the playoffs. that leaves 14 teams who didn't. drop those 14 in the lottery for a pick weighted at the SAME amount add the other 16 teams into the count as 1. So you divide 100% by 15 and give the bottom 14 teams a 6.5% chance of the top spot. the bottom teams split the remaining 6.5 percent giving them less then a half percent chance of the top spot but they do have a chance. This preserves the chance that anyone could get the top pick, it removes the bonus from tanking as everyone in the bottom gets the same amount. AND it builds the excitement as you then don't know how that bottom 14 is going to be ranked. It would be a glorious jumble and bring real meaning to the draft lottery.

Yes that means that a bad bad team may stay a bad bad team. But your going to get much more dynamic drafts that way as well.

Or

A variation on your solution would be to ignore the playoff/non-playoff rankings and just base the lottery off the end of season rankings. 30 teams, three draft tiers. 1-10, 11-20, 21-30. Use a weighting system similar to what you stated for that first group but increase it to 10 teams. Do the same for each tier. So a #20 team could luck out and get the #11 spot in the draft, a #30 team could jump a bit and get #25....and the absolute worst teams get the greatest chance at the best players.

by rx2web on Mar 28, 2007 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lottery Problem
Here's an idea to lessen possible "tanking". Base the lottery on an arbitrary point in the season. Like the 3/4 mark or a certain date. Nobody would try to tank that early in the season unless they were hopeless to begin with, which then they probably need a strong lottery pick anyway. Also, by then it's far to late for any real "from bottom to top" moves anyway. Yes, once in a while you might see someone improve enough to make the playoffs, but if the rules are set ahead of time and somebody makes a strong enough effort to go from lottery shot to playoff, maybe they really do deserve both. Just a thought of something that might work. This idea may have already been thought of and if so, I apologize for trying to claim as my own.
Coreydm McMinnville, OR

by coreydm on Mar 28, 2007 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PTI made a good point on the subject:
The guy complaining here is Jeff Van Gundy, right?

Point #2:  Hearing him complain doesn't ring very true when you consider that none of his teams have finished with a  winning percentage below .415.  Sure some of his teams have been mediocre, but none have been absolute crap.

Point #2:  If you look at both of his superior runs of form (Knicks, and now Houston), they're both completely reliant on #1 picks that were run with previous administrations.  The Knicks sucked and picked up Ewing, then JVG got to coach him later, and the Rockets sucked and picked up Yao, then JVG coached him later.

I think the system is fine.  America  will never have promotion/relegation because we wouldn't put up with lower quality arenas (not by a longshot) for the lower leagues.  David Stern has been clear about controlling the viewing experience of his league, which is why we'll never see a Euro Conference.

- Sam

by Samuelson on Mar 28, 2007 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

re: promotion/relegation
Promotion/relegation system and arenas.

The English Premier League has minimum standards for club stadiums. There is a "bare" minimum standard that all clubs must meet to host any Premier League matches. If the club can't meet the standard at their normal home stadium, the games get moved to the next closest stadium that does meet league standards.

Lets pretend some billionaire buys the Bakersfield D-League team, buys the right to a bunch of talent, and wins promotion from the D-League to the NBA. Are there suddenly going to be NBA games at a site that is basically the Bakersfield Convention Center? No. They would move the games. Maybe up the road to Save Mart Center in Fresno (15,544 for basketball) until there was a new arena built in Bakersfield. The new arena would have higher minimum standards too.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 28, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't happen
There's a huge difference between the the US and the UK with respect to professional sports.

And I would even say that David Stern is on the conservative end of the spectrum as far as American sports is concerned.

The 'minimum' standard that you speak of isn't that stringent.  A few games this season have been called off due to waterlogged pitches. (I think when Fulham came up a while back, they still had standing room!) Usually a team doesn't start spending heavy cash on their stadium until they make it to the prem with its TV contracts.

I think from a fan standpoint, promotion/relegation is fantastic.  You get the battle for the title, the relegation battles, and of course the Championship. But it subjects the league to all sorts of different realities.  

Because it's been a reality for European leagues for so long, they can't really do away with it now.  If they had a choice (given the way TV contracts supplement a team's payroll these days), I'm assuming they'd come up with an alternative.

The NBA would never choose to do it for the same reason.

- Sam

by Samuelson on Mar 28, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it will never happen
I stated what system I liked, not what system I think is most likely to be implimented.

There's no way the owners would vote to take even a small risk of having their franchises spend time in the minors.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 28, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there is already a minor league system
It's called the Eastern Conference.

;-)

- Sam

by Samuelson on Mar 28, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things
  1. Dave, your analysis falls apart when you consider this: if the worst team has such a terrible chance at getting the first pick, why would any team ever tank? The reason is simple. The worst team, while having a greater statistical chance of getting the #4 pick, still has the greatest chance of any of the teams of getting the #1. When the pick goes to a different team, it simply validates the system and shows that teams should never tank a season to get a high pick. If we assume that Portland tanked last season (from their record it certainly looks that way, but I don't know) then it obviously backfired when they drew the #4 pick. They were punished for tanking, basically. THe fact that they still made out like bandits shows what you can do with a little ingenuity. Which brings me to my second point.

  2. The draft is USUALLY not the answer. How many #1, #2, and #3 picks have turned out to be not that great? Several in recent years. It comes down to how good their scouting and GM people are! Portland took a #4 pick (the worst they could get, mind you!) and turned it into the most successful draft in recent memory for any team. So I don't buy that the league owes the worst teams anything except a chance at a good spot and a guaranteed decent spot, like they currently do.

Sorry, Dave, just have to disagree with your analysis on this one. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I brought up.

by jamon51 on Mar 28, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of what you said ...
I'd just change one small thing: You said "the draft is usually not the answer." I'd argue that the draft usually is the best answer, but that the "lottery" usually is not the answer (as evidenced by Portland's last draft). A team can/should find something good based on how much effort they put into their scouting, regardless of their draft position.

by bfan on Mar 28, 2007 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
You said it better. I agree--the draft, after all, is where 95% of the players in the NBA come from. :) The LOTTERY is not always the answer, although in this draft it certainly looks it.

by jamon51 on Mar 28, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Dave, but your system has problems.
Because the reason a team would tank a game or two (or more...) would be for a tangible gain.

In your scenario, there would be strong incentives to drop from:

#8 to #7 (only a 2% improvement, but that's from 0%, i.e. you can't win if you don't play)
#5 to #4 (5% improved chance)
#4 to #3 (5% improved chance)
#3 to #2 (10% improved chance)
#2 to #1 (15% improved chance)

Currently, those differentials are:

#8 to #7 (only 1.5% improvement, but you at least have a 2.8% chance)
#5 to #4 (3.1% improved chance)
#4 to #3 (3.7% improved chance)
#3 to #2 (4.3% improved chance)
#2 to #1 (5.1% improved chance)

If tanking is a problem when teams are only improving their odds of winning the lottery by 3 to 5%, imagine how bad it would be when dropping a slot improves your chances 10 to 15%!  

I think the current system is pretty fair.  It occasionally "rewards" the worst team with the #4 pick.  The problem is, some of those teams don't know what to do with a top pick anyways!  That's why they're in the lottery.

For example:

2001 #4 (Chicago) Eddy Curry vs. #1 (Wash) Kwame Brown
1998 #4 (toronto) Antawn Jamison vs. #1  (LA Clippers) Olowokandi

At the end of the day, the quality of the draft class is going to dictate the incentive to tank games.  You can't do a whole lot about that.  The solution to tanking is something David Stern needs to deal with, not the lottery odds.

-t

by webted on Mar 28, 2007 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my 2 cents
I think the NBA's system is already too complicated as it is. It is already the most complicated system out there. I would rather see the system change back to the team with the worst record gets the 1st pick and so on.

Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly don't think that teams are really tanking. In reality, it's the fans and media discussing tanking, that doesn't mean it's really happening. Winning is it's own reward, it's their job. The players and coaches in the NBA are so incredibly competitive that tanking is a virtual impossibility. I'm supposed to believe that these professional athletes are going to make themselves look bad, and in doing so jepordize future contracts, to improve their teams draft standing? I doubt it. Fans of bad teams are already looking to next season. The teams themselves look towards next season when this season is over.

by Bretski on Mar 28, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My answer to both of these critiques
is that I don't think actual tanking is the problem.  Read here for a detailed discussion why.  I think perceived tanking is the problem.  And when you put names like Oden and Durant into the picture it doesn't matter so much if the chances are small, EVERYBODY gets into the hope-mode and thus into the discussion.  How many times have you heard it wondered aloud whether it would be better to have the #8 seed or a lottery pick?  I've heard it A LOT this year.   That's very bad.  

Even though discussion of tanking among a couple teams might increase this solution would calm the league-wide furor over it.  And let's face it, those teams accused of tanking would be the worst teams anyway and nobody talks long about them no matter what they do.

Also if lousy teams had a better chance to get the highest picks (and let's be honest here...they're just getting a chance in this system...it's not like we're overturning the world) and could make them more consistently then they wouldn't be lousy as long.  The bad teams would rotate upwards more, people would see it's possible, and then there wouldn't be such desperation over a single draft like this to make or break the future of your team.  Nobody, especially fans, wants their team to lose.  What you're hearing in this tank talk is fans who are convinced that their team can't get out of the cellar or into serious contention any other way.  That's also very bad.

And by the way, curbing the star system would help de-emphasize the need for this one, stellar pick and thus the temptation to talk about tanking to get it.

Every other major American sport has its draft in reverse order of record.  The world hasn't fallen apart for them yet.  Now basketball is a little different because a single player can affect things more (though maybe a quarterback or ace pitcher has as much influence) but having a lottery at all compensates for that.  It doesn't have to be such a harsh one.  

The dirty little secret of the lottery is that its main purpose is publicity anyway.  It creates suspense and gets people buzzing.  The problem is you're hurting teams and getting people buzzing about the wrong things in the process.  That needs to be fixed.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 28, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Law of Unintended Consequences
...says that your changes to reduce the "perception" of teams tanking would end up creating an incentive to tank that has hitherto not existed.  

In your system, dropping from #5 to #1 would increase your odds of "winning" by 35%!  That's a 1 in 3 chance to upgrade from Joakim Noah to Greg Oden.  How do you think the Sonics decision to let Ray Allen shut it down for the season would be viewed under your scenario?  Talk about "perceived" tanking!

You really can't compare the NBA to baseball or football, each of which field 11 players at a time.  One player is 9% of their field strength, vs. 20% for a basketball team.  Sorry, but hockey is not a major American sport.

I still don't see the unfairness of the current system.  You field a crummy team, and you get a chance to improve it.  You can do it all at once (2003 LBJ brings +18 wins) or not at all (2001 Kwame Brown brings +0 wins, 2005 Dwight Howard brings +0 wins) or screw things up (2006 Andrew Bogut brings -15 wins).  Crummy teams are crummy for a variety of reasons, and poor draft position is usually not the major one...  

I like the lottery.  It provides some suspense, a chance to move up with little downside.  P-town didn't suffer too much from their drop last year.  And we certainly didn't capitalize on the jump from #5 to #3 in 2005, either.

-t

by webted on Mar 28, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it
You think Seattle could catch up to the futility of the Celtics this year?  And it wouldn't be obvious if they tried?

In order to prevent possible misdeeds from potential teams that might pretend they're bad (which again I argue is pretty darn hard to pull off) you actually, tangibly penalize real teams that are actually bad and could use the best chance at getting some help.  That doesn't make sense to me.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 28, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't have to "catch" Boston...
...for their odds to improve.  Willfully making decisions in order to drop EVEN ONE SLOT in order to improve your draft position is tanking.  Lottery or no.

I'm saying that under your proposed system, every time Seattle drops another slot in the standings, their chances of landing the top draft pick increase significantly.  

That would make Ray Allen's decision to cut his season short much more suspect.  Do you think he would have gone in for surgery if the Sonics were headed to the playoffs?  

With 13 games left to be played, if Ray Allen is good for 4 more wins (he's your franchise player, right?), that could be enough to move you down a slot in the rankings.

Right now, with the current system in place, the "Sonics Tanking" hasn't even come up.  But with your proposal, a poor team slipping one or two slots could increase their chances of the top pick by 5 to 20%.  THAT would be enough to make people wonder.  

The current odds are stacked strongly in favor of the worst teams getting the best picks, but the lottery system introduces just enough uncertainty to remove the temptation to let a few games "slip" away - such as in the above example with Seattle.  

I really do not believe that any teams are tanking their season right now.  But I believe it's because the current system has largely removed the temptation.

-t

   

by webted on Mar 28, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem? what problem?
i don't think it's that bad. the last two years milwaukee and toronto have had the top picks. i don't think the system needs to be any more complicated.

andrew bogut and andrea bargnani seem serviceable pros, not all-time greats at this point. both or either could be part of a championship team in the future. we'll see.

kevin durant and greg oden seem on a different level, and this has got everyone more excited than usual. this is all positive for the nba. there's more of a buzz connected to this year's draft than i can remember.

which no doubt means some of these guys will turn out to be chris washburn or keith lee. they looked like they could not possibly miss.

let's not forget len bias, r.i.p.

i'm interested. i'll be watching deep into the 2nd round.

ignacio

by ignacio on Mar 28, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Different Idea
Fix the lottery and improve the teams at the same time.

The teams with the worst 8 records enter the lottery with a similar statistical breakdown as above.
They pick 1-8 and then the draft would basically start from worst to first with the next 30 round 1 picks.  To make up for the extra 8 picks all lottery teams would lose their 2nd round choice.

This way the worst team in the league would have worst case the 8th and 9th players in the draft to build around for the future or they could trade those 2 picks to a better team for a proven talent.

by stoagwarrior on Mar 29, 2007 6:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And now, dumbo shows up late to the party.
I read your post, got the impression later (not AS I was reading it, but later,
away from the computer, going on a memory of what I had hastily read)
that you were advocating something n the direction of
what you're proposing (a two-tier thing), but quite different.

And so I thought about it, and "modified" that and came up with
a better version, a two-tier system with different tiers than what I though you had said.

And so now, I come back to throw that out there as a modified counter-proposal,
and it turns out what you were proposing all along is EXACTLY THAT.

I just feel stupid.
Anyway, I totally agree with your model, having arrived at it myself
after pondering some other scenario which you never actually brought in.
(It involved bringing playoff teams into the second tier,
and both tiers relating to the same lottery--shots at the #1-#7 pick.
Trust me--it was really weird, stupid, and complicated.)

Tell 'em Large Marge sent ya.

by QualityPie on Mar 29, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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