Bereavement?
As our good friend Samuel has pointed out, and as Casey at Oregonlive has posted, the Portland Tribune has published another article this morning saying Zach Randolph was at a local strip club Tuesday night...a night he was on bereavement leave because of the death of his friend and also a night when the Blazers had a game. Reaction seems to be subdued so far, but varied.
My initial thought is that this guy is a genius at finding these "tweener" issues that you can't exactly let slide unmentioned but that also aren't enough for most folks to outright condemn him for...at least not to the extent of demanding a suspension or a trade. He's on bereavement leave and unwinding in a strip club? OK...people need some outlet when they're grieving. You can't just sit and think about it 24/7. It's not the venue I'd choose but I wouldn't think it strange if somebody who was grieving went to see a movie or something. Maybe this is just Zach's outlet. (Of course the venue does add to the shock factor...he couldn't just go and rent a movie, right? See? Genius.) On the other hand he does it on a GAME NIGHT in the same town where his team is playing. I can see where a lot of folks are going to have a problem with that. Although if I took bereavement leave I guess I'd also be seen around the town I live in, so maybe that's not entirely fair.
So is it a Big Deal or Much Ado About Nothing? As always with Z-Bo, right in between. This is what frustrates you about Zach sometimes.
Make that a lot of the time.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. Had Jason Quick or John Canzano broken this story the "witch hunt/biased media" accusations would have been flying fast and thick. I wonder if the same thing will happen to Kerry Eggers?
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The friend who died in the shooting . . .
So I just wonder where that is in all of this.
I don't know if she lives with him in Portland, or if she's still in Marion, and they
spend off-seasons together, and (of course) she would've been in town for that shooting.
What I'm wondering, specifically, is, if she's in Portland,
did they need some time together, just the two of them,
to process the violent death of a troubled man to whom they were both close?
If THEY were at Exotica ($102 would be a tidy food-and-drinks for two,
a retreat for the night before they get swept up in the bigger circle of their Marion people),
that's a whole lot different than him throwing that down for himself on game night.
Anyway.
I hope THEY were at Exotica, not HIM.
And first and foremost, dude's gonna have to answer to his team more than
he's ever gonna need to get in the good graces of the fans and media on this one.
That's not how I feel about his other things (lying to the police about his brother,
the hotel ho-swapping and alleged rape, the drag racing up Broadway),
but on this one, if he jerked around anyone, it's his team as well as us.
There'd better be a solid discussion waiting for him when he meets them in Minnesota.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is
Publicly I'm sure they'll support Zach but privately I bet they're shaking their heads and saying, "Sheesh."
--Dave
by Dave on Mar 23, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
by Bretski on Mar 23, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more hoping THEY'LL influence HIM.
come down on him hard in private, give Zacho the old what-for.
I don't think they'll take any improper influence out of this.
There are too many of "them" now, in positions of real power within the team dynamic.
I'm more curious who, if they do collectively scold him for the impropriety,
who among them is gonna be the lead message deliverer.
And, of course, how Zach responds.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Full story: Much ado about nothing
Randolph missed the Blazers' game against Washington on Tuesday after being granted leave following the shooting death of Lamar Cannon in Marion, Ind., Randolph's hometown. Cannon was a friend of Randolph and the first cousin of Faune Drake, Randolph's longtime girlfriend and mother of his 1-year-old daughter..."
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2007/03/randolph_was_on_way_to_airport.html
Now we find out the full story. Zach stopped off to have a couple of drinks so he could sleep on a miserable cross-country red-eye flight.
Portland Tribune owes Zach Randolph an apology

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's the Oregonian writers . . .
Scoreboard:
Oregonian -1, Tribune - 0
Fishwrap Smackdooooowwwwwwnnn!
I love it.
Just from the Trib-vs-Oralgroanian standpoint, I love it.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few years ago....
While talking to one airline and after being quoted their rate, I explained the situation and asked if they didn't have a fare to assist someone who had to fly at the last minute for a funeral. The guy I was talking to said, oh yeah, they have a bereavement fare but since he had already quoted me a price, I would have to call back and ask for the bereavement fare from another agent.
I did and I did and I was quoted a rate that was substantially higher than the regular rate.
I called several different airlines and every single one of them quoted me a higher rate for the bereavement rate.
In other words, if I hadn't separately asked for the two different fares, I would have been screwed over in my bereaved state.
To me, this feels the same. Zach is taking advantage of the generosity of the team that gave him this bereavement leave.
Yes, Dave, you and I might be seen around the towns we live in. But I have a feeling that if it had been either one of us and maybe we couldn't have flown that night or whatever, that we would have been at the game. I just get the feeling that Zach is yanking us around.
I don't like having my chain yanked.
by ken on Mar 23, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
But then again I'm different from a basketball player:
A. Zach had the wherewithal to buy any plane ticket he wanted any time. He's not in town because he's saving $300 like us poor schlubs.
B. There's far more of a premium put on "supporting the team" in basketball than in normal jobs. If you're injured you're usually supposed to be sitting on the bench in street clothes rooting the team on. Maybe you can understand opting out of that in the case of bereavement but opting out and then being seen at a strip club the same night just seems a little...hmmm..."cavalier" might be a good word.
--Dave
by Dave on Mar 23, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically....
We are in agreement on this issue.
by ken on Mar 23, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is different
This is not about work or basketball.
This is bigger and far more important.
This is about life and death.
by Bretski on Mar 23, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
First of all, the article is completely unsubstantiated. The story in the Tribune is relayed to Eggers by a strip club bartender who wasn't even working during the alleged incident.
That said, it probably is true. It may not be, but because that's the assumption, I'll roll with it.
We all grieve in different ways. Anyone who has ever lost someone close to them can relate to that. Unfortunately, I'm sure too many of us can. No one is arguing that he didn't lose somebody close to him, and he's just playing hooky from work. Are they?
Just because Z-Bo is capable of patronizing a strip club, it does not mean he was capable of remaining with the team and playing basketball at a high level.
He had been granted a leave by the team, he should be allowed to do whatever it is he needs to do to get his head in order, so he can be 100% committed to the team when he rejoins the team.
by Bretski on Mar 23, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
small correction
by sergioFTW on Mar 23, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And strip club managers are more trustworthy?

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, the strip club is the issue
Bereavement leave was given to him for dealing with grief and emotional stress. Not because he had to leave and attend a funeral. Who are we to judge him for how to deal with HIS grief.
Just because you can be entertained in a seat doesn't mean you can focus on performing at a high level on a basketball court. Just look at the Seattle game, you can just tell Zach wasn't himself.
Portland media prematurely jumping the gun and casting judgment once again.
by blzrfan on Mar 23, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have to play...
Also, the strip club is not the only issue, remember a couple of years ago when it was DA in a Dairy Queen. Same thing, the least you can do is show up to the game and support your teammates. That's what leaders do.
by ken on Mar 23, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not now, nor has he ever been . . .
But now, with Roy, JJ, LMA, Joel, and Ime, and with Nate as coach, he doesn't need to be.
If there's one positive thing I'd like to see come out of all this,
is for the Blazers to publicly say that: Zach is not in a leadership position on this team,
nor should he be--that position is better occupied by others on the team.
I'd like for that to be overt, public team policy.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact...
I'm not saying that it is a big deal, it isn't. I am saying that it seems to fit into a larger picture. It's this larger picture that keeps us second guessing ourselves about Zach.
by ken on Mar 23, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Granted, he should have been with the team at the game and not the strip club, but I have to ask this: The strip club was near the airport... When was Zach at the club and what time did his flight leave?
by damir on Mar 23, 2007 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right wingers forcing their issues into sports
The right wingers are desperate to change the subject from what is currently being discussed on front page to anything different. The need any distraction they can get BADLY right now. So now the are going to try summon up some Faux outrage and try to turn Zach into Janet Jackson's breast.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Samuelson on Mar 23, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is portland... more likely the loony left.
The sort who consider strippers, porn, and the whole sex trade demeaning to women and such--and consider guys who patronize it to be sexist troglodytes and unsophisticated bumpkins.
That's the sort of moralizing that goes on in Portland, rather than the "nakedness is wicked and offendeth the Lawd; Zach is gonna burn in hell for his sins" sort of moralizing you find in other parts of the country.
I always find it amazing that the moralists on the right and left often find common ground on what vices should be banned or discouraged--just for different reasons. :)
On some issues, I tend left--but on this particular issue, I am quite libertarian. Strip clubs are legal; it's probably he's better at a club watching than at the HVP doing more than that.
If the team has a problem with it, they should deal with it. If this is outside the scope of what they consider acceptable bereavement leave, then dock Zach's pay or whatever.
If not, this doesn't rise to anyone else's business.
Sheesh.
by EngineerScotty on Mar 23, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the bigger issue here?
by Bretski on Mar 23, 2007 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ime Udoka got funeral leave

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly it
This funeral is in Indiana, and he was granted leave to head back to his hometown with his girlfriend. What was he doing in Portland, still?
I'm not accusing Zach of anything, but I find it curious that he stuck around town instead of going back to Indiana where his girlfriend's family was.
by Samuelson on Mar 23, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not correct.
And why do you feel like you have to be curious about what Zach did while he was on funeral leave? Were you curious what Nate McMillan did when he was on funeral leave? Were you curious what Ime did on funeral leave?

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't feel like I 'have to be curious'
I don't think the story is newsworthy. Probably something in that gray area surrounding 'watercooler gossip' that comes with being a celebrity.
I think the question here is this: Are there certain things one can and can't do on paid bereavement leave? Sure we all grieve in different ways, but it's a strip club. Viewed alongside Zach's 'body of work', it's bumped up to a 'curious happening' (or whatever you want to call it.
This is why the Trib deemed it newsworthy, not to compensate for bad right wing news (dude, it's the sports page... I hope you were kidding).
And IIRC, Ime was simply not used for the Seattle game, his dad died on the night of his scheduled debut in Portland, and he suited up and played 2 days later in Utah. Not that it's the crux of my argument... just saying.
by Samuelson on Mar 23, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the overlap.
If he missed a game NOT to be in a strip club--that was the assumption.
It's that he missed a game to be in a strip club.
Either part separate from the other: No, it don't mean a thing. Big nothing.
You can do what you want to, whenever you want to.
Do what you want to, there's no one wil stop you.
Sorry.
Lapsed into quoting Elliott Smith lyrics.
Not sure they apply here.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Stuff Hppens to Me all the Time...
(pause)
"Well, I'm gonna get a steak at the Acropolis - give me a call if I can lend an ear."
What's the big deal?
by bothteamsplayedhard on Mar 23, 2007 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ever heard of an Irish wake?

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Happens to me too all the time, Nation...
"Hey Honey, I'm all out of singles. You got some dollar bills in that Gucci bag I bought you?"
"Why do they always play Nine Inch Nails in this place? Don't they know it's a wake?"
by bothteamsplayedhard on Mar 23, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of which is better than bawling your eyes out
Why do you think you have the right to tell Zach what he can do and what he can't do to get through the grieving process.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that at all, Nation...
I have never tried "getting through the stages of grief" by eating one of Exotica's steaks - but heck, I am willing to give it a try!
On Mr. Randolph's reccomendation, of course!
by bothteamsplayedhard on Mar 23, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's awake?!?
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd
by soopermv on Mar 23, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I mean, what's the implication here? That the guy wasn't his friend? That he's not shaken by the fact that his friend just got gunned down because he goes to a strip club and has some drinks?
I've had several friends die way too young. I reacted weirdly and differently each time. I can't even imagine the media snooping around and questioning me about every little thing when I was reeling, and I love truehoop and all, but talking about whether my company would be better off without me while I was taking time off to go to a friend's funeral.
by howlingfantods on Mar 23, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay. THAT one nailed it.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad reporting
Just implied that Zach took advantage of someone's DEATH to go to a strip club on a game night.
This article is terrible reporting. Maybe it turns out to be true. Maybe not. But to question someone's character like this without all the information is not only premature, but also irresponsible.
by blzrfan on Mar 23, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
Matter of fact, I'm going to borrow those points on another thread.

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that's coming next.
Don't think that's a good thing.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. Fine. I'll say it.
I have a good friend, former co-worker, who once bartended at Exotica.
Another friend of his, a mutual co-worker, was a manager there for a while.
Exotica is not just a strip club.
Gang and prostitution activity is harbored there.
Remember how his friend Otis died: with a warrant out for his arrest
for attempted murder, going into the Black Dragons Motorcycle Club
at quarter to six in the morning, looking to shoot someone.
Bars with ties to organized crime DEFINITELY is an issue.
I'm disturbed about Zach being there, not because it's a strip club,
but because it's THAT strip club--Exotica.
Dude shoulda just gone to Magic Gardens.
I have no problem with that.
And yeah: maybe all I have in the way of "Exotica is a front for crimina activity"
is hearsay and rumor--but there is such a thing as word on the street being true, reliable.
Word from the street, truth.
Respect it, ignore it--but don't deny it.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No more than Vegas All-Star Game activities
You can't discuss a single location in Las Vegas without having discussions about all the various connections to organized crime.
You do know Wayne Newton is a "made" man, right?

by Blazers Nation on Mar 23, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Anyway.
I guess it's more of a personal thing.
Exotica is just on my personal $#!+ list.
Probably says nothing about mere customers.
Still.
It bugs me.
Why did it have to be THERE?
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is for you, Dave
And since Eggers is involved, it must be a vast, right wing conspiracy, as well.
by bothteamsplayedhard on Mar 23, 2007 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
whatever the deal is
by supremepuntiff on Mar 23, 2007 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you're KP...
Despite the fact that all those dudes can drop 25 on any given night a la Zach, I wouldn't want the Blazers to try and build around any of them.
by goonerluke on Mar 23, 2007 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory
by porterfan30 on Mar 23, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Then You would Hear
by bothteamsplayedhard on Mar 23, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Plane
by RedDotChaser on Mar 23, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oopsy
by RedDotChaser on Mar 23, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wanted to say
Zbo, can't wait to see ya this weekend buddy, bring your A-Game.
by junit3123 on Mar 23, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Zach was at the game Tuesday night
Remember when Steve Patterson was at a game and wasn't paying attention, how it affected the fans?
by drawingjeremy on Mar 23, 2007 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But.. the number of days bereavement
by drawingjeremy on Mar 23, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mmm--not really.
But those three games are in just four night.
And there's the geography; considering he's grieving (mostly) in Indiana,
Minnesota and Chocago are just better rejoining points than Atlanta.
I bet he's ready to come back tonight, he's just in the wrong place,
and right when we're about to head THERE anyway.
Why make him fly Indiana to ATL just to shuttle right back to the midwest?
Hey. [bright idea]
Maybe the team could spend their travel day in Marion.
(They are travelling in one of Paul Alen's jets, right?)
Fly into Marion tomorrow, spend the day, and fly Marion to Minneapolis that night
or Sunday morning, with Zach back, in time for shootaround at the Target Center.
Drop in and have Zach show them around town,
and Zach cancap off the bereavement leave with being at home
with old friends and family AND the team, all at once.
It would certainly ease the transition back into playing down the stretch--blend it over.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hrmm
by damir on Mar 23, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Never mind.
On the other hand, he WAS pretty useless in the Sunday Seattle game.
Maybe this incident really, really got to him.
Not so much about making the funeral so much as just not being ball-worthy for a week.
I just hope he sorts it all out, and comes to terms with what brought Otis to that end.
And PLEASE--let the funeral be incident-free.
Hopefully, none of Otis' enemies crash the party.
It happens in those kind of circles.
by QualityPie on Mar 23, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
To me the only real problem could be how being at a strip club (or this one in particular if there are issues surronding this one that are out of the norm) may play into the team morale, etc. The general consensus at blazersedge seems to be a rather libertarian view which I welcome - it is not for us to decide how one should grieve and Zach likely was in no shape to play on Tuesday nor last night or tonight. So, the question I propose answering is:
If Zach's mind would have been elsewhere on Tuesday night, what is better for the team:
A) for Zach to be present but not playing in the Garden suited or not, but visibly wandering? OR
B) for Zach to be grieving in his own way regardless of what that means?
I am suspect that we would have all been bothered by Zach not paying attention during Tuesday nights game and the following games pre-funeral, and the team would have been bothered, it would have been distracting and may have hurt the team more when selecting between the two options. As for whether or not these should be the two options... well again consensus seems to be that people have the right to grieve as they please and it is unfortunate that the media does latch onto anything at all explotational to make people tune in, read, etc...
Just something to consider... what would it have been like if Zach was there to show team solidarity even if he was in no mind set to play?
by drawingjeremy on Mar 23, 2007 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an awareness/ judgement issue
1.know that you are supposed to be working but were on bereavement leave.
2.know that you are a public figure and under constant scrutiny.
3.have had incidents in the past where the public thought you objectified women excessively.
4.are on a team whose primary goal is to sell a team with positive character attributes.
then you should realize that someone is going to see you, and that you may not be representing the team the way the team wants represented. That, to me, is the problem with Zach being at a strip club in Portland on game day. Even if he had gone to a strip club in Indiana, or hell even Vegas it would have shown more respect for the team and the image it is trying to present. Better yet would have been to grieve in Indiana at more reputable social hangouts.
by shenanigans on Mar 23, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a similar opinion.
I give Zach huge credit for playing like he has this year, but he doesn't seem to know how to help his own case.
by lama on Mar 23, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Randolph
by Jumbo on Mar 23, 2007 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
by shenanigans on Mar 23, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap
"We have made tremendous strides this season in developing a culture that values character, both on and off the court.
"We think we've made significant progress in that regard as a team and an organization and our fans have responded with renewed enthusiasm and support.
"At the end of the season we'll sit down with each one of our players and review their performance, including their standing in the community. Character will be a key measuring tool for whether each of our players continues to be a part of the ongoing effort to build toward a championship caliber club.
"When players make mistakes off the court, they are often private matters between the team and the player. We know our fans respect the need to handle certain matters internally. We will continue to hold our players to a very high standard and take appropriate action when necessary."
---
Now apparently Zach made a mistake off the court.
by damir on Mar 23, 2007 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The man love strip clubs...
Do I want Z-bo babysitting my little sister? Not so much.
Do I want Z-bo on my basketball team? Yes, please.
by Jumbo on Mar 23, 2007 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BUll.......
69 comments?
Basketball, people, basketball.
by DropstepJ on Mar 23, 2007 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd suggest taking a look at the comments
In addition it occurs to me that more than the usual chain some people used this format to interpret, sort through, and conclude that what they emotionally questioned at first may not be a big deal, and that it may not be appropriate to decide how someone else grieves. In otherwords I see this chain as one where emotions were driving some initial comments, but logic took over and learning and understanding occured... a great thing to see.
Those who did not come to a "nothing wrong with this conclusion" did almost universally have an opportunity to narrow down what their true core issue(s) is/are as opposed to simply standing behind some sort of "strip club bad" ideal without considering what help Zach would have been to team morale on or off the bench Tuesday night if his mind wasn't in the Garden.
In otherwords, I agree that this issue should not get the attention it has, that it is explotational media spin but that started w/o blazeredge input, and it seems to me that this was a valuable chain in sorting through this mess for many fans.
by drawingjeremy on Mar 24, 2007 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely feel the need to defend Zach.
That said, the guy is grieving. I don't know how many of you have been in a situation where someone you know and love has been murdered, but my guess is it's not that many.
Don't !@#$ judge someone for what they do when they're grieving. People are not rational and frankly you don't always know WHAT to do with yourself. Strip clubs serve alcohol and they have women. Comfort is something people seek out when they're alone or in pain.
Just because he went to the club doesn't mean he received joy out of it. I actually prefer that he's away from the team. He's grieving. That's negative energy, even on the bench, that he'd be bringing.
I never took time off when i was in a MUCH worse situtation and four years later i'm finally recovering.
Don't begrudge a person their own personal time off to grieve in whatever legal manner they need to grieve. I don't care if he was there to get drunk, watch girls, or listen to a juke box. He's allowed to do what he needs to do and just because we don't understand it, doesn't make it any less helpful for him.
If you're every ina situation like that, you'll find that you don't know what to do either. You're completely helpless to change something that has caused so much pain to so many people you know and love.
Why isn't Zach there instead of here? Some people need to avoid. Some people can't phase terrible things like that head on and so they procrastinate.
He's on his own time. He's grieving. He's allowed to do anything legal he wants. Opinion to the contrary is BS.
How would you feel if a loved one died and you were accused of grieving in a manner that wasn't "right"? How would you feel if you were told your time off wouldn't count because of it and so you weren't going to be paid? You're upset and irrational and I bet most of you would lose it and go off.
Let's not do that to Zach. It's his time. Give it to him.
by ratbastird on Mar 24, 2007 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Face
oops
by ratbastird on Mar 24, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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