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Classic Z-Bo

I'll start by saying that I sincerely wish Zach the best in New York (and wherever he may land after that time is over).  There are few people as gifted as he is offensively under the basket.  That said, I don't miss this sort of turmoil at all.

In regards to minute distribution and who starts after a 14 point loss to Orlando last night Zach had some tasty quotes.  In favor of starting Curry Zach came off of the bench for the first time, and as the author put it was fuming before the game - Curry was fuming after the game (got two quick fouls and ended up only playing 4:41 total).

My favorite Zach quote was:

"I don't plan on coming off no bench the rest of the season."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12272007/sports/knicks/magic_kingdumb_734931.htm

I do take particular pleasure in this because that is the role he would have had to have ultimately accepted had we decided to keep him a Trailblazer.  I always thought that if Zach were a little more garbage man (kind of Boozer style) that he'd become a real asset to a team, especially if he's PF option #2, coming off the bench and backing up.  I never believed he'd accept that role in Portland, but thought perhaps if he were somewhere else he would consider it... maybe the Knicks are the wrong team for that, and maybe he needs to begin his tenure somewhere coming off the bench to embrace the role... regardless, not our problem!

Go team!

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Joe Becker from KGW
Interviewed me at the Blazers Fan Fest.  I had my two year old son Zach with me.  He asked if I named my son after Z-Bo.  I had just told him LMA is my favorite current player.  Joe thought he (Joe) was pretty funny.

by tweener on Dec 27, 2007 10:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

To this day
I have no idea what Isiah Thomas was thinking when he traded for Zach.  With Zach and Curry, he now has two overweight guys with fragile egos who are black holes on offense and play zero defense, less when they don't get their touches or do get behind in the game.  And besides them, for the most part, a bunch of chucker guards.  The last time I tried to watch the Knicks, they lost by like 60 to Boston.  The last time I looked at a box score of theirs, they had 7 assists for the game as a team.  Barf.

by ranma on Dec 27, 2007 10:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ze-Bo Knows!
Come on, Randolph almost averaged 25 and 10 for the first half of last season... He'll be an All-Star in the East!

Right?

Right?

Anybody?

This ESPN article may feature the best Isiah Thomas stat of all time...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime
After trading a player to the Knicks, this is how the "other" teams have faired during the following season.

Win Addition By Subtraction

Season  Team       Player      Wins  Added
'06-07 Blazers  Zach Randolph       ?
'05-06 Magic    Steve Francis       +4
'03-04 Suns       S. Marbury        +33
'03-04 Bulls    Jamal Crawford      +24

by Champs2009 on Dec 27, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He could average that on some team,
but not any team.  That team has to do basically what the Blazers did in order for him to get that, which is make him the 1st option and let him have any shot he wants.  It would be wiser though, to bring him in off the bench.  The Knicks could do that still but with Curry on the team, you can't play them both at once (and win), and it's hilarious that Thomas is just figuring this out.

by ranma on Dec 27, 2007 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice stats...
would be great if the pattern holds and the Blazers win 50 or so...

by ranma on Dec 27, 2007 11:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
Zebo has a legit beef when he states he didn't play his way out of the lineup.

by blazerprophet on Dec 27, 2007 12:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
He's paid like a starter and he's young.  They took him with his starter's salary.  But he should be more of a team player.

Sorry, I have to do this to keep the streak alive...

Poor, poor Fred Jones.

Happy Kwanzaa! December 26, 2007 - January 1, 2008

by tominhawaii on Dec 27, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll agree with that
but, do you handle that beef privately or publicly?  

I will say if I were the GM I'd want Zach in instead of Curry, especially this season, but I'd be annoyed at the comments after the game and Zach's attitude before the game.  Bottom line is that although Zach's argument is probably correct I should never have heard it.  It is damming to the team to have players calling the shots to the media in a very entitled manner.  I'm not saying there's much left to damn on the Knicks at this juncture (maybe David Lee?), but I'd take issue with the way Zach went about handling his objection to this move.

by drawingjeremy on Dec 27, 2007 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous that
Zbo is benched while Curry starts.  They may both be flawed, but Curry is the more flawed.

by howlingfantods on Dec 27, 2007 2:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Isiah is New Yorks problem.
I feel for Z-bo, how can anyone possibly justify benching Zach for Curry.  Curry is playing terrible this year, horrid.  At least Zach is still getting his numbers and you can count on him to play hard on one end of floor(and probably dog it and play crappy on the other).  Curry plays crappy on both ends regardless of his effort.  I seriously think Isiah has some dirty info about the powers that be in the MSG.   How can he be convicted of sexual harrassment, having player/coach fueds, and leading NY to a overall 8 and 20 record without being fired???  I thought they were contenders know? Right Isiah?  I am not saying firing Isiah will fix the Z-bo/Curry situation, but that is sure as hell where I would start. FIRE ISIAH
RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Dec 27, 2007 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We created a Monster
Let me make an inaccurate timeline of Z-Bo in Portland and see how this shakes out with people with good memories.

June 2001: We draft Zach Randolph out of Michigan State. Blazer nation collectively says "I didnt know Eddie from Family Matters went to MSU."

2001-2003 seasons: ZBo (I think this nickname developed during this time.) Constantly hitting the offensive boards and making nice putbacks against bigger players and generally putting up good stats even though no plays are run for him. Constantly mentioned, along with Arvydas, as the x factor by Wheels and Rice (note that I primarily listen to games on the radio.) I believe he sucker punched Ruben Patterson during these years as well. Call me old fashioned, but punching a convicted rapist does not bother me. The intrigue begins, very few subtle signs of Zach turning into ZBo. Where was the hoops family at this time?

2003-2004: Zach blows up! Rasheed is shifted to center and the man that was previously our garbage man is now getting plays called for him and is balling all over the place. So young and so talented, he makes us ignore some of the warning signs about him becoming a bit of a prima donna and a black hole. We can all put up with random detention for a scuffle around a night club when you are dropping 20-10.

summer 2004. Wow that is a big contract you just got. Were we really that worried about you getting away? Even a ZBo apologist like myself is a little blown away by your contract, but whatever, you are going to lead this team to the promised land.

2004-2005 Watching you as the focal point of the offense is not so great. Plus your behavior is more and more erratic and your attitude has taken a turn for the worst. Lucky for me you mask all of my accruing doubts about your ability as a leader and a go to guy by injuring your knee. Also, Mo Cheeks does not seem to be that great of a coach. Next year things are going to be different.

2005-2006 A new coach, a fixed up knee. All of your attitude problems are going to be behind us as Nate wont accept that garbage. Hey buddy what happened to all that rebounding hustle? Oh you save for the offensive end. All right. Luckily we can still blame this season on a knee that is 80% and an adjustment period for you and Nate.

2006-2007 Wow what a great year...statistically. You look awful when you are away from the basket. Sure you can shoot it, but doesent that leave you out of position for your bread and butter, offensive rebounds? Your game is hard to watch let alone listen to on the radio. You are damaged goods and this may be your ceiling. What are we going to do with you? Can we get you to play like Zach Randolph used to ZBo? We seem kind of stuck with you at this point, but you do have some game. Unfortunately it is not the game you are playing.

Also, you had some weird run ins with the law. A little tip; If you are into weird sex stuff use the internet. I realize you have the money to hire live sex shows, but this situation is not a good one. Keep it on the computer buddy. I will even show you how to erase your history folder and delete your cookies so that your perversion never bites you in the ass.

Summer 2007: Mercifully you are traded to one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the league. We eat 30+ million in a Steve Francis buy out. Does that tell you something about what you have become? You are so disliked that we trade you for the right to buy out a huge contract. That is no compliment my friend.

Now where does the culpability lie in turning baby faced Zach Randolph into baby faced ZBo? Some of the blame should definitely go on whoever first called a play for you. This was a bad move. The fans tolerated some silly behavior on your part and we should be blamed for that. Management should be blamed for believing an undersized PF not named Elton Brand was worth max money. You should be blamed as you believed all the hype about yourself.

So lets let bygones be bygones and we will both go on our merry way. Put er' there Zac..ZBo.

by jonestr on Dec 27, 2007 3:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That contract
was a little premature, and the basis for it was flawed.  There had not been a full season in which Zach had played without Rasheed Wallace by October 2004 when he got it.  This meant two things:

#1, Portland and the Blazers were trying to forget Rasheed.  Zach wanted the ball more than Rasheed.  He scored a lot.  Box scores looked better.  People underrated the differences between Wallace and Zach in the areas that Rasheed was very good at.

#2, Rasheed covered Zach's weaknesses well, i.e., he played defense, passed, and hit the outside shot.  Zach went hard at Rasheed in practice every day and honed his offensive skills.  There was only the remainder of the 2003-2004 season to find out that Zach couldn't play defense, and the rest of the league hadn't adjusted their defensive sets to him yet, so he looked good in the mean time.  He averaged 20 and 10 that year, played 81 games, and got the contract before the next year.

by ranma on Dec 27, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll back that too
The Blazers had plenty to do with the inflation of Zach's ego which to me has become a problem for any team who hopes to play him.

by drawingjeremy on Dec 27, 2007 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad company corrupts good morals.
I'm not assuming that Zach has high moral character, but he definitely was a hard worker(or so we've been told.)

That being said, consider the chemistry of the teams around him.  Rasheed "CTC" Wallace, Isiah "They're Still Lynching Us" Rider, Bonzi "Blackout" Wells, Ruben "The Nannystopper" Patterson, Qyntel 'Pitbull' Woods, Damon "Hummer" Stoudamire, Darius "In Da Club" Miles, etc. etc. etc.

The Blazer roster looked like a home for troubled boys.  HOW REFRESHING TO HAVE THE GROUP OF GUYS WE HAVE NOW.  Thank you Paul Allen for finally getting a clue, and thank you KP for knowing what it takes to build a successful franchise we can love once again.

I wouldn't say we are responsible for the Monster that Z-Bo is.  Giving some of these guys Max-Contracts sort of rewarded their bad behavior and didn't help.  Whitsitt tended to disregard character in favor of talent.  The WCF team of the lockout season, and the WCF team that lost to the Fakers had enough character to counterbalance the bad apples. (Brian Grant, Steve Smith, Scottie Pippen, Arvydas Sabonis, etc.) When those guys left, the environment was in place where all of the players mentioned above congregated together and fed off of each other's degeneracy.

And now Zack plays for the Knicks....

I'm hip, I'm slick, and all the women want my phone number!

by silkybrown on Dec 27, 2007 9:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am confused
it seems like you title insinuates that the prevailing culture at the time was responsible for what Zach became, but then you say we are not responsible for what ZBo has become, but I dont see where you defend this.

Maybe it is a difference in what you and I call "we" I include all the good (KP, Nate, Bayno, Dean, other people) as well as the bad, Whitsitt, Patterson, Nash, others. Maybe it is just a difference in where we see who should have most of the blame. As fans we should probably bear little of it as the Blazers seemed to care little about fans before KP was put in charge.

by jonestr on Dec 27, 2007 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm trying to say...
Is that at the end of the day, Zach Randolph is accountable for Zach Randolph.  No doubt, there were some bad apples that rubbed off on Zach. I'm not going to assume though that Zach came here as an innocent angel with a blank slate. He contributed some of the garbage himself. The environment of players didn't help matters.
I'm hip, I'm slick, and all the women want my phone number!

by silkybrown on Dec 28, 2007 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care...ah that feels nice
I <3 Zach being on a different team

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 28, 2007 7:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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