Sitting/standing at games (moral dilemma)
Maybe it's because i go to U of O, where damn near everyone (at least in the student section) stands for the duration of both the basketball and football games, but my biggest pet peeve at the games is when the crowd sits for huge moments at the end of games
I guess I just don't get why in the last five minutes of a close game when there's a timeout everyone stands for the whole thing and the place is rockin, only to sit down again when play resumes...
I naturally get pretty pumped towards the end of games and want to remain standing, but someone behind me always starts complaining...Then as soon as anything remotely exciting happens or someone drives to the rack everyone jumps back to their feet, and if you're not quick enough and the guy in front of you beats you to your feet you miss half the play(i'm not terribly tall)...is it really that important that everyone sit back down for 30 seconds while the play develops? I've been going to sports games all my life, and if the guy in front of me is standing to see an important play, i take that as cue i should too, not to tell him to sit down...
My dad, on the other hand, who i went to the toronto game with, holds the position that if the rest of the section is sitting (which mine was even at a time when the entire end section with the thunderstix was standing) you should follow suit. so i guess my question is, am i being inconsiderate by wanting to remain standing for big plays at the end of games even if the rest of my section sits, or is it reasonable to take the position that being at a sporting event in the last few minutes of a close game, people might get excited and you might have to stand too if you want to see?
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any input beyond the poll
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Also perhaps the people standing behind the backboard where the blazers are shooting should sit during freethrows, since a bunch of standing people can add a little more distraction which could throw off the shot.
by noam16 on Dec 22, 2007 10:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
UNM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax
,this may be pretty unnerving to someone shooting free throws, where the thunderstix, with their seemingly random position, maybe easier to shoot against as they would be the equivalent of white noise.
Any thoughts on this?
by jonestr on Dec 22, 2007 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i actually
i don't know what it would take to get an experiment going with this but it'd be worth a try if possible
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really dislike the thunder-sticks.
My objections are several pronged:
- I do think they are white noise, if anything they could be lulling, at least for any non-rookie. I think we'd be better off having lots of random mad shouters close to the court coupled with sudden unusual visual distractions. Any legit baller does not get distracted by thunder-sticks. I'm pro shouting things that don't make any sense at all, completely off topic, if you want to take a foul shooter out of their game this just might do it for some people. Don't avoid controversial topics - this may serve to get the player in question even more rilled up if he is on either side of an issue.
- Fans don't consistently use them only as a distraction to the other team, though they do use them in that capacity, they also use them as clappers, the result is that this makes us use whatever magical powers they hold on our team almost as much as they are being used on the opposing team. So if there were any sort of validity to them "working" that would tend to negate much of it.
- The seats are fairly tight, so there really isn't that much room for you to put them down anywhere, and holding them will guarantee you using them on our guys. As is my knees are into the seat in front of me and I'm bumped up next to whoever is next to me whenever seated. Standing creates it's own complications with them. I've seen several people get into near fist fights for innocently making contact with the person in front of them. Fist fight or no, that energy doesn't help those in this silly conflict nor the surrounding crowd stay positive about the game and our team.
- An extension of the last issue: Due to the close quarters, even in lower bowl seats and people regularly getting up for drinks, bathroom, food, etc. in the middle of the game, a row full of thunder-sticks to negotiate in addition to the bodies present tends to block my view and take me out of the game for longer periods than it would otherwise take w/o thunder sticks. I am particularly sensitive to this as I have a pair of aisle seats, which I prefer, but anytime that someone wants in or out we do get taken out of the game somewhat. The new JumboTron has helped this issue dramatically.
by drawingjeremy on Dec 22, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Standing is for young people
by jonestr on Dec 22, 2007 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's what i did at the bucks game
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stand.
Anyone who doesn't can suck it.
by ratbastird on Dec 22, 2007 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sit
That said, there's a certain sense of the moment - a game like last night calls for standing during the Q4 run. Certainly standing during a critical defensive stop is appropriate.
Also, older people may have trouble standing for extended periods, or if they do, they may not be having a good time...
by Engineering Problem on Dec 22, 2007 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'm a different kind of short
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of feel your pain
by tominhawaii on Dec 22, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me
If I know I want to stand I usually get seats near the back of a section if I can...less trouble that way. If I'm in front of someone I don't feel comfortable blocking I just remember that what I do with my voice carries way farther than whether I'm standing or sitting.
--Dave
by Dave on Dec 22, 2007 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i do try
also, although i'm pretty young i've had a bad back for a few years, the constant standing back up/sitting back down is much harder on it than just standing (but obviously this is going to differ for everyone)
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An Obligation To Your Seat in an Arena Experience
I believe a good fan goes to an arena for the arena experience and to support the team the best way a fan can show support in a live game situation. I also believe a good fan should never put their own best interests before the interests of the team especially if they are considering squelching the support of another fan.
It gives me anxiety when the crowd is not into the game, (not standing, not yelling, not clapping, not appearing to pay attention) and they turn to stare at someone who yells something supportive, tells others to sit down, and generally does not join in to show support. I believe it is harder for our team to play well when the crowd is not into the game. This is especially true during the first quarter or, lamentably, the first three quarters. Our young team responds favorably to a supportive crowd. The flat quarters for the team are often, not so coincidently, flat crowd quarters. A common thread in the players' interviews is that they were buoyed to extra effort by the fans. Somehow people think it is enough to buy the ticket. I know, the team needs all the tickets to be bought. But, once you buy that ticket, I believe, you have an obligation to the team for occupying/reserving that seat! And, that obligation is to have that seat contribute to the sixth man crowd behavior for the sake of your team. If you don't want to participate in an arena experience, experience the game elsewhere: a sports bar, a gathering of friends, or your very own Lazy-boy chair.
While it is unfortunate that due to limitations, some fans cannot show support standing up or have difficulty with the up and down. Being supportive to the best of their ability is all that can be expected. But, I believe, that once their behavior crosses the line into attempting to suppress the outpouring of the fandom, they go too far! Someone has to be the first one to stand or yell. Some fans have to be the first five to stand or yell. If everyone feels inhibited to begin sixth man fan behavior, we will fail our team. So take courage and enjoy the ride!
The first obligation is to show up. Empty, although purchased, seats are a downer for the team and increase the fanload for the others fans. I'm not sure that's a word, but if it isn't, it should be. Just like someone absent from my team at work increases the workload for those who are there, the other fans have to increase their output to get the same outcome. If you've purchased a ticket and can't go to the game, give it away! There have been games already this year with thousands of empty although purchased seats. Wouldn't it be cool, if there was a place you could easily drop off donated tickets once you discovered you were unable to go to a game, and fans registered in the Blazer booster fan club could pick them up at will call on a first come first serve basis. Tickets for advance games could be picked up or dropped off. It would be a real boon for some fans and a great outcome for the team with a little extra man-hours for the will call staff.
And about those time outs...I agree it drives me crazy to stand and cheer during the time out when the music gets the crowd rocking only to deflate once the time out is over. The music is using the time out to get the crowd into the game. Another really cool nudge is when Blaze thumps his drum to get the crowd going. Do we, as fans, respond well to that nudge, or do we assume that time out or drum thumping experience is for our own enjoyment only. Are we there for the time ourselves...? Or for the game! Since I only have the quarter season package, I rockout to the time outs while watching the cable view at a friend's house. We sing along to the familiar "We-Just-May-Win-This-Game,-Folks" songs as we flap our arms clapping. My oh my, this is a fun time to be a Blazer fan.
by ladygonegrey on Dec 22, 2007 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
responsibility
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would It Surprise You I Enjoy Duck Games Too?
by ladygonegrey on Dec 22, 2007 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my dream
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 22, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by ratbastird on Dec 22, 2007 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just sit back and enjoy the Show
You might want to pay attention to who is behind you and that seemingly incidental contact.
by Lizzy Lowblow on Dec 22, 2007 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, sucking it now.
And, yeah, the fact that I stand up for 40 plus hours a week makes me happy to not stand on concrete for any further amounts of time.
Thus, I have found it mildly irritating when people remain standing. Not that I'm going to yell at you, but I may wish you'd sit down so that I may resume my seat and still see the play.
While I understand the surge to the feet in honor of a fine play--my home viewing tends to include this behavior, together with spastically waving arms and a hearty "[expletive] yeah!"--I thought it was reasonable to then sit back down.
I stand, so to speak, corrected.
by roseburgian on Dec 22, 2007 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Standing time
However, in order to guarantee that nobody who has sore feet ever has to stand and always gets an unimpeded view the only solution is to enforce either by rule or by custom/ettiquette that fans should always remain seated. Is there any other way you can think of to guarantee that the bad backed and sore footed always get an unimpeded seated view and never have to get up?
I think when you buy a ticket to a sporting event you shouldn't expect people to behave like they're at the opera. And the team gives plenty of options (now that the cable deal is worked out from what I hear) to see the team in the most comfortable way imaginable (myself, living far away from the Rose Garden and not having League Pass, I enjoy listening to the webstream in bed while I play my Xbox. It's been a good couple weeks). It might sound jerky, like "If you don't like my standing in your way, then go home and watch TV" it's only because I'd rather have the seats filled with people who love to stand and cheer than people who complain (or passive aggressively grumble and pout) about people standing and cheering.
by Jumbo on Dec 22, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm good with making accommodations.
I think I was mostly responding to the "you cannot be a good fan if . . . " flavor of the thread--which kind of makes my teeth hurt.
But it's all good.
by roseburgian on Dec 23, 2007 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those options on the polls
by DominicanAvenger on Dec 23, 2007 6:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice :)
My feelings on this is that standing generates excitement generate and tremendous energy that can shock and awe the other team into huge momentum changes. There's a reason the Jazz have such an excellent home record, they have a LOUD crowd. You only need to look so at the 77 blazers to see the effect this kind of atmosphere has. Down two in the playoff games... the blazers then came home and proceeded to win four straight. http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbac om/nbatv/vault_107_block_a.asx&video=&nbasite=nbaQuietness
We as fans can change the energy of the players and the game. The excitement of a live game is why many fans WANT to attend and standing energizes people.
It's OUR house and opposing fans should be uncomfortable and SILENCED by our shouts for our team. It's also our duty to make opposing fans stand for our team by not letting them sit.
My personal feelings on the matter.
I'm a bit of a rabid fan though. I'm pretty sure you can see the foam dripping from my mouth.
by ratbastird on Dec 22, 2007 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I particularly like:
by drawingjeremy on Dec 22, 2007 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stand and be considerate
That said, standers should try as best as they can to accommodate people behind them who complain. Scooching a little one way or the other, cheating into the aisle, taking the 1st and 2nd quarters off, are all reasonable things the rowdy fan can do to limit the damage he does to his neighbors. But on the flip side, if you're view is blocked, try to be a little proactive yourself: strain your neck a bit, offer to switch seats with a stander, do what you gotta do to see the game.
If both sides can put in a little effort, show some respect, and never assume that your "rule" is the right rule everybody can have a good time at the game. I think there are only too true "jerk" situations: the guy who stands the whole game and acts intimidatingly toward people who complain. And the guy who sits the whole game and does nothing but complain and act pissy about people standing. If everybody can just moderate their positions from those two extremes, I think we can all have a good time.
by Jumbo on Dec 22, 2007 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One thing that I really think can help
If you are in a someone who has a hard time standing, or don't want to stand I am empathetic to the situation, but know that it's not realistic to be able to see the entire game without using the JumboTron as a crutch almost no matter where you are. You might also look into if you could purchase seats in one of the areas that was set up for disabled fans, there are usually open seats in some of these areas, they have a lot of space, and you are in a pretty protected section. I know this may not help someone who just doesn't want to be on your feet all day, but I'm pretty sure if you are or are bringing someone who really has a hard time getting up or down, etc... that they would consider these seats appropriate options for you, this is the area that we target when we bring my mother-in-law.
I read above that standing is especially common and accepted on the 300 level, I find it to be especially common in the end-zones on the 100 level, perhaps it's especially common everywhere when we are competing?
Finally, I think this will be all the more important as we continue to climb in the coming years: Make sure you have the right expectations when going to games... people will stand, that's part of the live experience, people will probably stand a lot in the fourth quarter, especially during the most exciting (aka close) games. There are times I don't feel like getting up and down, but if I'm in the general seating populous I expect it whether I'm tired or not, whether my back and knees are up for it or not. If you expect this coming into the arena then those people standing in front of you don't have to ruin your experience, and if they would I'd highly recommend trying to get in the sections I described above or watching from home (as much as we want the seats filled with true fans).
by drawingjeremy on Dec 22, 2007 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Asking people
I don't object to people standing to cheer (and I was up & down all throughout the game and up for most of the last few of minutes. But what I find much more annoying is the parade of young men in the row below me - usually 3 at a time to go get a beer, and then 3 at a time to go to the bathroom (I guess), and then another beer, and then another potty stop ... Trying to see around the standing people in front of me as the parade squeezes by them is nearly impossible (and I can't see the Jumbotron because I'm up too high for it to be above them.) I wish they'd time their depatures for timeouts and maybe wait to return to their seats until the next one. (Talk about women having to go to the bathroom in a group..!)
by jorga on Dec 22, 2007 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry the JumboTron trick doesn't work for
by drawingjeremy on Dec 22, 2007 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Six pages on the philosophy and etiquette of standing during games. Priceless.
--Dave
by Dave on Dec 22, 2007 11:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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