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Save The Rose Garden: An Online Petition

Guys,

If you are as disgusted as I am that The Blazers are selling naming rights to The Rose Garden for a few million dollars a year, then you'll wish you could do something about it.

Well, thanks to fellow blogger 'thestrombomb' from Mike Barrett's blog, now you can:

http://savetherosegarden.com/

Please take a minute to go to his site and sign the petition to keep The Rose Garden named by its original and rightful name, a name that actually MEANS something to the community and to the mystique of Rip City's newest era.

The site also contains a comments section if you have more ideas or wish to contribute further.

Feel free to discuss the issue here as well.

Poll
The Blazers want to rename The Rose Garden for a few million $/yr:
This is abominable. The Blazers must reconsider and find extra revenue elsewhere!
40 votes
Dude, this is no big deal. Everyone else is doing it--why can't the Blazers?
27 votes
I don't care one way or another
14 votes
This is a great idea. The team needs revenue and I support their decision to rename The Rose Garden. I also rock out to Barry Manilow.
16 votes

97 votes | Poll has closed

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hmmm...
they should then include a section where the fans can spend and buy the name with a refund if it doesn't work.

Seriously... Paul Allen and company really ought to think about crap like that.  I'd totally donate some cash if I thought i'd help.

Larger donors could also be recognized with top ten name recognition.  It could be an NPR type drive.

A wink is the same as a nod to a bat!

by ratbastird on Dec 15, 2007 9:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?
Really. BFD.

by bubba on Dec 15, 2007 10:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was never
that attached to "Rose Garden" so I'm sorry to say I won't be signing. I also think the team needs some extra revenue for the health of the franchise.

by jayseyfield on Dec 15, 2007 10:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A few extra million couldnt
hurt anything... after all, they spent a ton to give us the new screen

by JWise on Dec 15, 2007 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They spent way more
to buy out Steve Francis ($15M-$30M depending on whom you talk to).

I support that decision, but in comparison, selling out your venue's name for a small % of Francis' contract value (or Darius Miles' annual salary, for that matter) doesn't seem wise or ethically justified in my view.

Typically venues will adopt the name of a large corporate sponsor when that venue requires upgrades to stay serviceable (such as when Jack Murphy Stadium in SD was renovated by Qualcomm).

The Rose Garden needs no such help.

This is motivated purely by greed, as was the decision to hand Comcast a broad monopoly of team telecasts without regard to fans in rural areas.

Paul Allen's pocketbook is fine, people.

Don't believe the hype.

If you don't like 'The Rose Garden' or don't care, then don't sign the petition, profess your undying love for Barry Manilow in the poll, and move on.

There are clearly several fans that agree this is an important topic and one that needs our attention.  Please don't discount their passion and efforts simply based on your own POV.

PS., Jwise I responded to your post but this is not directed at anyone in particular.  I appreciate all respectful comments in this diary, however insightful or helpful to the cause.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If it's good for the bottom line
I don't mind at all.  I think it is best for blazer fans that the business side is as healthy as possible.

by tweener on Dec 15, 2007 10:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed
whatever keeps paul happy keeps me happy

the majority of owners would have dumped the franchise at some point over the last five years (see what's going on in seattle)...paul allen has sunk many millions into this team and i appreciate his willingness to do so...he's more than welcome to do whatever he wants to get some of his money back IMO

by DominicanAvenger on Dec 15, 2007 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
The way I look at it is at an extra 9 million a year equals 3 extra draft picks, or allows the Blazers to go 4.5 million over the luxury tax extra, 4.5 million can get a really solid role player.  Or, it could be used to buy out a player to allow a talented yet raw player a place on the bench instead of not getting any playing time in Europe (heres looking at you Freeland).

I just think people are looking at it the wrong way, its not 9 million Paul Allen is now not paying out of his pocket, its an extra 9 million.  If Arena names are so important then why aren't more fan bases petitioning to get theirs changed?  Its nice that we have it, but after its gone for a while no one will really notice, or we will just keep calling it the Rose Garden, like Mile High (now Invesco Field at Mile High) in Denver.

Really, I think Paul Allen deserves some slack since he did buy back the Rose Garden, keeping the Portland Trailblazers in Portland.  If someone had proposed last year that all it would take to keep the Blazers in Portland and Paul Allen interest in the franchise is renaming the arena, I think most would have taken up that offer.  It's easy for us to say that SPAM, paulallensbig$$$, and why does he worry about money, but he has taken a huge hit in his net-worth dropped by over 55% over 7 years and he deserves some slack, its not like he is the Bobcat's or Clipper's owners who are in it only to make money.  

It is like we are spoiled children who have everything but want more.  We have the the best owner in all of basketball, (Come on, who is better?  Only Dolen spends more money and at least I'd argue that Paul Allen is better).  But when Christmas roles around we want the helicopter and the Bugatti Veryon?!?!?  Can't we just be happy with what we have?

by hightide on Dec 15, 2007 10:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your post
I see and appreciate your point of view.

But I think there is a right way and a wrong way to generate revenue, and I don't think renaming The Rose Garden is an absolutely necessary move at this juncture.

I think it's more of a shortcut to creative financial planning and management.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Right now the team is taking the easy way out, and sacrificing the venue's identity to do so.

For a few mil a year (at most), I think that's a bogus play.

I also don't believe that this choice will impact PA or KP's basketball operations decisions (such as buying draft picks) one iota.

If it does, then we've got way bigger problems than a shortcome of revenue.

PS., I agree that PA is, by comparison, a pretty darn good owner.  But I will NEVER feel indebted to him for NOT moving my team elsewhere.  That's like thanking someone for not stealing my watch, in my opinion.  The Blazers belong to Portland--period.  That he even contemplated a move is horrifying to me and still makes me nervous to this day.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 15, 2007 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

# drop
Somebody number dropped 9 million so thats what I based my argument on.  If it was 2 million I wouldn't be so supportive of the idea.  

Anyway, also just wanted to say that I love the discussions we have on this site, I was just looking at some youtube posts and the difference between the intelligences of discussion is night and day.

by hightide on Dec 16, 2007 1:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong...
...yes we in PDX feel a sense of entitlement to have the Blazers in our city because they've been here for so long, but the reality is that Allen's contemplating moving the team is not like his stealing your watch. It's like his saying, "It's costing me millions in losses to let you wear MY watch. As much as I enjoyed seeing you enjoy it, it's time to let someone else enjoy it because you don't seem to enjoy it no more."

Granted, Allen's staff was largely responsible for breaking that watch during the Jail Blazer era so that it wasn't fun to wear it anymore. But I think we need to remember that honestly it's a privilege to have a team in your city, especially one that's owned by an owner that lives somewhere else and actually has emotional ties to his own city (Seattle). I for one am GREATLY appreciative that Allen in the end maintained his resolve to not move the team when economically it might have made perfect sense to do so. Folks, the NBA's business is our entertainment, but it is a BUSINESS nonetheless. And our owner should be credited for keeping PDX fans happy by not moving the team when it seemed like bad business for him to keep it here.

When feeling discouraged about the Blazers' learning process, just remember that at least the Jail Blazer era is over.

by kdfkwak on Dec 16, 2007 7:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mile high
invesco field at mile high begs the question of whether it could be named "__court at the rose garden" or something to that effect

might make more people happy on both sides

by DominicanAvenger on Dec 16, 2007 4:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cute, but...
Online petitions aren't worth the paper they're written on.

by rockingharder on Dec 16, 2007 1:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I posted this elsewhere...
..but it's most fit for this discussion so here it is again:

Honestly, I don't quite see why so many fans are making such a fuss about this whole Rose Garden naming business. If anything, Paul Allen would be pretty dumb not to take millions of dollars from some company that's willing to shell it out just to prefix their name to the building's. And I am pretty darn confident that the joy of winning championships in that building down the road will not be diminished or tarnished in the least because the name of the building was modified to reflect corporate sponsorship. Personally, I'd be down with "The Nike Rose Garden" myself, with Nike being the major local business, despite its imperfections (and I understand there are serious ones; but what super large company - the type that would be in the running for this naming deal - isn't going to have them?). I actually think that combination would be kinda cool, not awkward or cumbersome in any glaring way.

When feeling discouraged about the Blazers' learning process, just remember that at least the Jail Blazer era is over.

by kdfkwak on Dec 16, 2007 7:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Then again...
...since there would probably be a revolt against the Blazers for affiliating themselves with a company that gets hammered over the whole sweatshop deal in foreign countries (a charge I am definitely sympathetic to) - despite a lot of the good things Nike has done for our city (IMHO) - maybe it wouldn't be such a great PR move.

In any case, my main point has nothing to do with Nike; it's that I'm among those who think this fussing about the naming of the RG is much ado about nothing in the context of a corporate business world like the one we're in. You wouldn't even have a Rose Garden to watch games in if people weren't interested in making big money off of us. And we happily comply. If the whole point of the Rose Garden (and the Blazers) is to make a sizeable buck (as much as we'd all like to think Allen's main motivation is just to make us fans happy; I'm not saying that's not part of it, but c'mon, if there were no financial incentive, there would be no pro sports period), why wouldn't they take advantage of the willingness of a company to pay them big bucks to add their name to our building's? I for one has no complaints about it. (But I respect the freedom of others to disagree and to do so with passion.)

When feeling discouraged about the Blazers' learning process, just remember that at least the Jail Blazer era is over.

by kdfkwak on Dec 16, 2007 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry But...
  While Ideally, I like the name "Rose Garden" and would like it to remain singularly as what "The Rose Garden" be refered. I also recognize The Blazers and Paul Allens right to sell the naming rights if they wish.

  I'll be slightly bummed if The Rose Garden becomes some totally corporate named arena but I do feel that is the nature of the game.

  Given the huge expenditure of resources (cash) that Paul Allen has invested into The Blazers I guess I have no right to be too upset if he tries to get some revenue back in a manner that many, many teams embrace.

  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that whomever purchases the naming rights only adds there name as a pre-fix.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 16, 2007 11:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd love the support this protest but can't
The bottom line is that every bit helps.  If the number is indeed nine million it would be a huge relief.  If it's more like three million, I'd still take it, that's between 5 & 10% of our team's annual salary and we know that PA hasn't been making a return on the team for a long, long time.  

In addition he just bought back the arena, spent tons of money upgrading the areas of the garden that needed it most (club level, though the help of Lexus I'm sure and the jumbo-tron.  About a year earlier he replaced all of banner lights at about mid-level.  This year they also renovated the garden to make the Pyramid Tap room, which is something that was sorely needed for a while.  My point is that he made updates prior to selling rights to a company, rather than after, plus he made these improvements and has begun soliciting companies.

It's not about whether PA can afford it or not, it's about someone looking at a sizable negative bottom line for ten straight years, and it's the norm, has been for a while.

This one is half joking, but it actually comes up from time to time... I can stop explaining which Rose Garden I mean... it came up just a few days ago and I wasn't talking about the arena.

I just don't see what the huge problem is with this.  It's not like I support large corporations all the time, if anything I'd support this sort of an effort if I believed in it, I just don't see what the problem is.  If it's called Nike Arena instead of the Rose Garden it really doesn't effect me at all, but it does help the team.

For me the bottom line is I want Portland to create as viable a revenue stream as possible for Allen without hurting the fans via major ticket price leaps, etc.  This is something that should only really effect us in one way: Help cement the fact that the TrailBlazers are staying in Portland.  The more viable the cash flow is, the less interest Allen would have in pursuing relocation, and the less the league would be apt to allow it and I am all for that.

by drawingjeremy on Dec 16, 2007 12:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

as much as I hate commercializing
you're right.

I know it's silly because it's a commercial business, but I hate the idea of PGE or Intel taking over "our house".

Still, Allen has invested a lot of money and love.  We as fans should support this particularly if it helps us have the bestest of toys and teams.

A wink is the same as a nod to a bat!

by ratbastird on Dec 16, 2007 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.
I hate the concept of supporting commercializing.  In certain instances (music and film jump out at me as examples) it's been really, really bad, almost like the modern version of censorship.  

The naming of arenas is is one area that (although I'm not giddy about another corporation tying its name to this corporation) I can't really argue against.  

It makes fiscal sense and anything that makes fiscal sense makes it all the harder to move our team, plus as you said, we all want the bestest toys, and if we are supportive of things like this Allen will keep them coming when appropriate.

I would love to see Allen to seriously consider what corporation he allows to tie their name to us though.  Nike sweatshop thing could do some harm (though I fear not much), plus generally speaking if you start digging most corporations that could afford to attach aren't angels, but perhaps he can find one... and hopefully they stay angels!

by drawingjeremy on Dec 16, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One other thing
I meant to mention it in my original post, but I felt it was a little off topic... though I get its relation to the issue at hand.  

The Comcast agreement:  

I've been a season ticket holder for years (some sort of package for 7 now, I think), and I try to watch whatever games I'm not at at home, have since I followed the team.  

The Comcast deal is the best thing to happen in broadcasting our team since I've been following.  

I am empathetic to those who don't have broadband service that are in rural areas but am hopeful that eventually Dish will strike a deal with Comcast to broadcast that channel.  I'm sure Comcast will sell it, if satellite services will pay enough for it.  This will probably mean that everyone will need to increase what they are paying.  My guess is that the providers are trying to negotiate the best deal and playing some hardball.  

Those that have satellite and either don't want to or can't switch services due to location should really be trying to organize a major mail campaign to their providers if you genuinely believe that the channel is not coming.  I would encourage getting signatures from as many customers as possible who pay for satellite service... demanding that something be done.  My guess is that if enough people document their willingness to pay more, providers will buy the channel.

I applaud the Blazers for setting this up, sure they are getting money from Comcast for the rights to broadcast the games on their channel, just like they do from local NBC affiliates, TNT, and NBA TV  both via the basic channel and via league pass.  This is great for the team and great for most fans, hopefully it will become great for all fans in the near future.

Again I'm empathetic about the situation, but we have never had something like this, and it is pretty great.  This is the sort of service that major markets have had for a number of years now and I for one am really, really glad that most of us now have the option of this service.  In past years we were lucky to have 20ish games aired, now we have 82, is it perfect, obviously not, but hopefully those who are genuinely being effected are doing productive things to address this issue.  

PS If I were in your shoes as someone who is out of area I'd probably take the initiative to write a clear concise letter requesting that this service be paid for and brought to these satellite customers pronto stating that the following are signatures and addresses of just some locals supporting this action.  Post the letter online, on this site and on every other Blazer related blog out there offering for people to copy and paste this letter, and get hoofing... gather your signatures and send it off... If Direct TV starts receiving letter after letter like this each accompanied by another few dozen to thousand signatures depending on how large the community is and how pro-active the sender is I'm quite sure they'll settle with Comcast sooner.  It's just an idea, but I think it could be pretty effective if these letters backed by massive numbers of signatures become a common thing.

by drawingjeremy on Dec 16, 2007 1:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all of your input
I'm at least assured that those in disagreement with the anti-renaming movement have legitimate reasons for their viewpoint.  So far they seem to range from empathy for PA's losses over the years and a desire for financial stability to outright surrender to the status quo in today's commercial sports culture.

Not bad reasons, but I'm not nearly as empathetic to PA's losses over the years (who signed Darius Miles to a $48M contract???), and I still believe there is a better way.

I think the team has an opportunity to make a grander statement here ("We will NOT sell out The Rose Garden"), and I want to support any inkling they might have to do so, however faint.

As an aside, the topic of the team moving elsewhere and how grateful we should be to PA for keeping us here is enough for its own diary.

I'd like to think, perhaps naively, that the town could rally and put pressure on local politicians to strike a deal with PA or just buy the franchise outright in the hopes of soliciting to new, and more stubbornly pro-Portland, ownership.

A discussion for another day.  For now, I'm content to work this issue and watch our team get its brains bashed in by the Nuggets.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 16, 2007 2:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did I
hook up the Blazers with that last line or what?
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 16, 2007 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
I petition the petition.

by Replacement Level Poster on Dec 16, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can't do that!
It's illegal. ; 0
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 16, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

'twould be funny
if Verizon bought the rights and Comcast had to broadcast all the games from The Verizon Center.  

by jorga on Dec 16, 2007 4:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,
we won't have a say in the matter unless we speak up!

The petition allows comments so if you are okay with renaming but only to select few companies then let that be known as well.

A voice unspoken is a voice unheard.

Book it.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Dec 17, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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