Off the bench
Joe Freeman's recent piece on Jarrett Jack finding his niche got me thinking: what are the dynamics behind a guy who actually performs better in a non-starting role as opposed to a starting role - and seems to relish coming off the bench? This question is not necessarily centered on Jack. Think of some of the great off-the-bench guys ( John Havlicek, Detlef Schrempf w/Indy, Manu Ginobili, et al ). What is the common thread(s)?
A short answer might be that watching the flow of the game from the bench gives certain players a better perspective as to exactly what is needed at critical times. I think it goes deeper than that. I have some ideas and will weigh in if my points aren't covered. But I'd really like to hear from our panel of armchair analysts out there in BE land.
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A good bench player is smart, active and versatile
The active part goes without saying, the superior second unit guy is usually going up against tired starters or shaky bench units. If he's got a lot of energy, he is typically going to make good things happen. Assuming he's smart of course!
Versatility also needs little explanation. It does no good to realize your team needs shooting if you can't shoot. It does no good to realzie your team is getting pounded on the boards if you can't rebound.
Manu Ginobili always comes to my mind as an ideal sixth guy, and he possesses all of the above traits.
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 27, 2007 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything that you both shared
by drawingjeremy on Nov 27, 2007 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes to the above
I think for the rest it depends on how they use the time. (Even the starters when they are resting.) Are they watching & analyzing or just watching like most of us in the stands? We know that JJack and Roy both have pointed out things they've seen from the bench ... do Frye & Outlaw & the others watch with intelligence or just watch (or joke with the other bench riders)?
I've been pretty neutral abt JJ the last couple of years, but I really like where he is playing now. As long as he doesn't THINK about it too much, I really like him as the sixth man. It's hard when everyone calls it a "demotion" - but if you can get your head around it (as Ginobili obviously has) it can be a more important role than being a starter.
by jorga on Nov 27, 2007 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With you all the way jorga
At the game the other night I noticed that although Artest isn't a starter for the Kings he has more minutes than anyone else on the entire team while averaging 22 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 2/3 of a block per game. Granted, he hasn't played in all the games yet, and maybe he'll be moved to a starting position at some point, but right now he sure is producing for the challenged Kings as a sixth man.
I do fear you've hit on something else... I don't imagine that Travis or Frye do that much absorbing of information when on the bench, I think hanging out while trying to stay focused is more like it. Fortunately I feel like most of our team is paying attention when not in play.
by drawingjeremy on Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
Havlicek, Schrempf and Ginobili illustrate both. They also spent a lot of time as starters. Surprisingly, Artest does as well. A lot of people do not give him enough credit for his intelligence. The fact he does not always think before he acts does not mean he's stupid. And while he does have a rather large ego, he's also shown that he wants to win very much. For me it's more a matter of having a good coach, who knows what buttons to push and when, to keep Ron-Ron focused.
by timg56 on Nov 27, 2007 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another factor is being able to
by ColoradoBlazerFan on Nov 27, 2007 5:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
All mentioned..
At his best, Vinnie Johnson was perhaps much more feared by opponents as a 6th man, then he would of been if he had been a starter. As a 6th man, he gained the reputation and mystique of an asset that was going to come in a game, and would make a difference.
I think the same can be said for Havilcek, Detlef and Ginobli. Great 6th men become more than just the first person off the bench, the best become an instant lift, and a headache for opposing teams.
Jarrets having a decent run in his off the bench role, but I don't think he has reached this level of respect, talent and mystique.
by Krang on Nov 28, 2007 12:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I see an additional factor
Michael Finley, Jerry Stackhouse, Jose Calderon, Desmond Mason, Corey Magette are among the players that come to mind.
by lee3022 on Nov 28, 2007 1:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gold stars for all!
by Dr Dave on Nov 28, 2007 3:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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