a beast is coming...
Jason Quick has an encouraging article about Greg Oden. Check it out.
quick summary: Oden has gained 30 pounds but still maintains the same (7.8 percent) bodyfat percentage!! That means it's 30 pounds of pure muscles!! Amazing!
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2007/11/big_bad_oden.html
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WOW I just hope that it does not interfere with his quickness and speed and with him bulking upstairs lets hope that when he gets well enough to start downstairs he hits it as hard.
300 lbs AND a 40 inch vertical?? LOOK OUT NBA!! Cant wait to see him stuff Dwight Howard, talk about clash of the titans!!
by SpyderRyder on Nov 15, 2007 11:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Genetic freak....
by JasonT on Nov 16, 2007 6:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When I saw your title...
by blazerprophet on Nov 16, 2007 7:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You just knew
by hurryup09 on Nov 16, 2007 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
if knees could talk...
I've had microfracture surgery. Now, my case was a bad one - and it sounds like "The Anchorman" had a very small affected area and should come back 100%.
But I just think that the single worst thing you could do to a recovering knee is add 30 lbs to the load that it has to carry. Muscle, fat, it doesn't matter - 30 lbs is 30 lbs.
We drafted a 7-footer who had the best combination of strength, speed, and explosiveness that has come around since Shaq. Name two things that are worse for explosiveness and speed than a knee injury and adding 12% to your body weight?
On the positive side, it's nice to hear that he is a hard worker, and seems determined to come back better than ever. Plus, I am trying to trust the team's judgment, it just isn't always easy.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, you're not the only one trader ....
Hey .... everyone said he was a beast before. Is it necessary to make him an even heavier beast just so that he can keep Shaq from getting low position? Shaq is becoming non-factor anyway. I'd prefer to see Goden keep his lean basketball build and beat other teams with his quickness (and good knees) instead of brawn.
I do agree that it's a good sign to see him working hard. I was concerned with that aspect.
by TwoDeep on Nov 16, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
The center of the future is a guy built like Amare, Howard, or Chandler. Obviously Howard's a marvel to look at, but Oden was already strong enough to move all of these guys around a bit.
Like you said, Shaq is becoming irrelevant. Yao is big, but he will get torched by an athletic Oden in our open-court game. Eddy Curry, a young guy who was a prized possesion 2 years ago, has quickly become out-dated in a league that has legitimate centers running circles around him.
I'm all for adding a little bit of muscle every off-season, but after the knee is back to full strength.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 10:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
not quite right
by ggassen85 on Nov 16, 2007 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right -
3 years from now when we are battling the likes of Amare, Chandler, and Howard in the playoffs for years to come it's going to be speed, explosiveness, and agility that allows Greg to stay with other centers- The last thing he will be thinking about is "I wish I would have pumped more iron to get bigger guns", but rather "I wish my knee didn't hurt like hell when I'm trying to launch my 305 lb body toward the rim". Or maybe it will be "Damn- I didn't used to have so much trouble keeping up with guys my height, but these dudes are pretty fast."
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Channing gained muscle weight over the past year..
Oden was built perfectly for our team the moment we drafted him.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
REMEMBER
Oden was 19 when we drafted him and he'd spent a year out of the weight room because of his wrist injury. Remember the first time you started lifting weights? Your body reacts a lot faster and muscle builds very quickly initially, especially when you're a whipper-snapper at 19.
Secondly, Greg Oden is going to change the dynamic of the game when he's in there. We shouldn't be worried about "Can he push Shaq around? Will he be able to handle Dwight Howard? Yao?" In this case, it should be about Oden morphing into the type of beast that he wants to be, and other teams having to react to it.
I'm reminded of "Blue Chips," a now classic movie in my opinion that starred a young Shaq (as a decent actor!) and Penny Hardaway. In the movie, you see Shaq as a mobile big man who could physically impose his will on a game. That is the type of player that Greg Oden is. And if you remember, Shaq lifted weights hard his first couple years in the league, worked on his post game, and then all of a sudden we weren't saying "Oh, how is Shaq going to cover Ewing," we were saying "No one in the league can stop Shaq, what can we do to slow him down..."
I think it's great that Oden is doing everything he can to improve, and keep in mind that lifting is just the first step in a long process to get him back on the floor...
by Champs2009 on Nov 16, 2007 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Also, we weren't concerned with his ability to bump with Shaq or Yao. Read the post again - we were concerned with his speed and general explosive quickness.
My whole point is that the game is changing away from bulk and power. Of course I understand how young men will naturally put on weight over time, but I don't know if the Blazers should be speeding up that process- 30 lbs at a time- BEFORE his knee is healed. I would literally like for Greg to be as light as possible until his knee is all the way back and he is several months back into full-contact activity. Then he can hit the weight room a little.
In direct response to the end of your post, Champs - building upper body strength has nothing to do with "the long process of getting him back on the floor".
If you remember, it was his knee- not his biceps- that got injured. Healing his knee back to 100% is the only thing that they should have their eye on right now. The guy threw LaMarcus around like a rag doll this summer- upper body strength is not keeping him off the floor.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think I will
30 pounds of muscule added will do nothing but good things in the future, and it WILL NOT hurt his knee as he recovers. If it could have, then no NBA team would let their players work out when they are recovering from injuries, yet Amare did in PHX speeding up his development as a player.
If Oden puts on the weight correctly, and I am assumeing he is under the care of his doctors and trainers, then his explosivness and quickness will not be hurt, it will be increased. Shaq for all his weight, when at his peak was the most explosive big man in the game, which is why he was dominint(sp?). It was not because he was the biggest, it was because he was also the most explosive. He was a truely remarkable althlete, and we are blessed to have watched him in our lifetime. Now the Blazers have that guy, only he is still 19 years old, with time he will grow into his 30year old face, and make people look silly on the basketball court.
by usmcr3049 on Nov 16, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you didn't hear...
So, you sure that gaining weight in his down time while recovering from microfracture (twice) was a good idea?
Thanks for helping me make my point.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how convenient your version of reality must be...
2 years on the pine in a suit can't be considered "development".
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh...
One thing that surprised Oden in Summer League was the strength of even average NBA centers and with his knee relatively immobile at least for the time being, it's awesome that Greg is doing whatever he can to improve and prepare himself for next season.
A case in point is Dwight Howard. Howard lifts like a maniac and remains a quick and explosive player (as last year's Dunk Contest showed us). The Magic even continue to play up-tempo. Adding muscle doesn't directly correlate with becoming a slow, plodding Zach Randolph-type. If you have the right body type, you can add a ton of muscle without really ever effecting your intangibles (like speed and explosiveness).
Trust me, I need no reminder that it was his knee which was injured. Every time I walk past his seat behind the Blazers bench, I'm reminded. Every time I read an article that says "The Blazers, without Greg Oden...," I'm reminded. And every time I watch Channing Frye get bumped out of the lane on a missed shot attempt, I'm reminded...
But I'm also aware that the recovery process is multi-faceted. He has to keep his body in shape, and he has to keep his mind sharp, and right now, since he can't actually run around and play basketball, one of the ways he's venting his frustrations is by lifting weights (I am assuming).
If lifting helps keep up his competitive edge, and it keeps him out of the depressions that come along with an extended injury, then Blazer fans should LOVE the fact that Greg has dedicated his rehab to transforming his body.
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What a transformation... We used to complain about our players smoking weed (Damon, Wallace, Bonzi, Miles, etc) and sexually assaulting their maids (Patterson), but now we complain that our guys "spend too much time in the gym during the off-season" (Roy), and "spend too much time lifting weights" (Oden).
by Champs2009 on Nov 16, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those 30 lb aren't in Oden's biceps
The fact that he's lifting and eating right means that he's not getting fat. That's the best you can hope for if you're concerned about his knees.
by hurryup09 on Nov 16, 2007 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
The kid is 19, how much did your body change between 19 and 25? The body he had when he was draft is not the body he will have when we win championships, regardless of if he had this knee problem or not. Was he strong? Yes, but he needed to get stronger still, this is good news.
by usmcr3049 on Nov 16, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Greg Oden is going to change the game"
This is 100% true if he is fast, explosive, and strong. This is completely untrue if he is of average speed, average quickness/vertical, but really strong.
We already have a Jerome James in the NBA. How is he doing right now?
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did he just compare a ripped Oden ...
by bfan on Nov 16, 2007 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YIKES...
by Champs2009 on Nov 16, 2007 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys have trouble reading
fast, explosive, and strong = Greg Oden as we know him so far.
Please don't practice selective reading when checking out my posts. Read the whole thing, and try to go slow if you have trouble.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We must have trouble reading...
"This is completely untrue if he is of average speed, average quickness/vertical, but really strong." Now, here I'm assuming you're saying that if he lifts like a maniac and adds too much weight, he might become "of average speed, (etc)..." because the man we drafted was/is fast, explosive, and strong.
"We already have a Jerome James in the NBA." Fact- there is a Jerome James in the NBA (I'm pretty sure). In this fashion, however, you're using it as a comparison. Specifically...
If Greg Oden adds too much weight, and becomes slow with no freakish vertical leap, he becomes Jerome James. Correct?
I stand by my original point. This is a terrible comparison. Lifting weights won't turn Greg Oden (former #1 pick, near national champion, and one of the biggest savages since William Wallace) into an overpaid, rarely used Knicks backup center named Jerome James.
I would take Greg Oden in a one-on-one game against Jerome James even if he was hungover, had just finished microfracture surgery that day, and was being chased by Jack Bauer and Chuck Norris.
by Champs2009 on Nov 16, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is our place to "over-react"
We come here to discuss and dissect everything that happens (or doesn't happen) in Blazerland.
Heck, there are 20 posts in a diary about a Stephon Marbury trade that will never, ever become close to happening.
If you are going to call this discussion "over-reacting", then you don't belong here.
We are grown men and women sitting at desks at work at 11:00 am, blogging and reading about a sports team who has been among the league's worst for a few years in a row now. So just the fact that you are here with us means that you can't consider this discussion an over-reaction.
I'm guessing that you also came on and told everyone they were over-reacting about 1 year ago when they were saying that Brandon Roy should have surgery as soon as possible.
Sometimes people who are thinking about the big picture- and not how much better Oden will look with his shirt off- are right on the money.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trader
Do you really think the team and Oden are not thinking about the big picture? Are you honestly saying they want Greg to look good with his shirt off more than they want him to be a dominate basketball player? I believe that comment, and others like it, are an over-reaction, and that is why I said so.
Just because we like to talk Blazers here, doesn't mean that every discussion is an over-reaction, some are only a reaction like the Marbury diary you brought up. That was not an over reaction in my view, it was a simple question ask, "would you want to do this?" The comments were great on both sides of the arguement, but none over reacted as far as I can see.
When it comes to Greg, we have over reacted in my opinion on almost every bit of news that comes out on him. From his eating habits, (that was a huge one) to conspericy(sp?) theroy's about how he really hurt his knee. This is just the latest bit of news in which I feel we are going a bit over board. I half expect to see a John Canzano article or blog post about how the Blazers are ruining their #1 pick by letting him work out on oregonlive tomorrow.
Do we have reason to be concerned about Greg and how the Blazers are handling him? Sure, we are invested in this team and we want to see them do well and win championships. But the Blazers have shown no signs of making horrible decisions, B. Roy's heel injury while concerning, was not a bad decision on the Blazers part. Many doctors agreed that rest would solve the problem. Now that it has come back, he may have to go under the knife, but foot surgery is nothing simple and should not be taking lightly. Which is why I feel they made a smart decision and the right decision last year.
Listen, Roy, LMA, Greg, and the other players are not going to win those championships alone, they can't win them inspite of the management of the Blazers. They can only win them with the management doing well and making good decisions. So at some point we need to trust that the Blazers management, including the training staff, coaching staff, front office, and team doctors are working just as hard as the players to win Portland it's second NBA championship, and 3rd, and 4th, etc... :)
by usmcr3049 on Nov 16, 2007 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
response
I prefer to call it interest, or buzz, or excitement, or anticipation. The fact is that the media is over-covering every last detail about this team now, because interest is at an all-time high (also, things like blogs make it so easy these days).
One part that I need to take exception with:
"Do you really think the team and Oden are not thinking about the big picture? Are you honestly saying they want Greg to look good with his shirt off more than they want him to be a dominate basketball player? I believe that comment, and others like it, are an over-reaction, and that is why I said so."
I said in my first post in this thread that I trust the team knows what they are doing. I know that I am just a lay-person.
Also, I am not claiming that the team is excited to that Greg will look better with his shirt off - that was a sarcastic response to the (generally naive) enthusiasm that some posters above were expressing as a reaction to this "news" about Greg's weight gain.
I personally think (yes, even everyday people are allowed to have opinions) that such a dramatic gain in weight on a person who just had season-ending knee surgery warrants a worrisome reaction. I also noted my personal experience with microfracture surgery, and just thought that it was worth pointing out that this may not be good news, but something to be cautious about.
Again, I generally trust that the team knows what they are doing, but I still can use my tiny bit of knowledge on knee problems, weight gain, etc, to be concerned about the situation.
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just for the record
Of course developing his strength will be a huge asset one day, but you have to do these things in the correct order. Developing strength means developing lbs too, and you just don't want to do that until after the knee is back to where it used to be.
His knee is going to come back and say to his brain "what the hell did you do? I can't carry this shit around!? did nobody tell you that I'm a little out of shape and very sore???"
by trader205 on Nov 16, 2007 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is Possible
As a matter of fact I'd guess it is. It was Jason Quick 'reporting' what he 'heard' from an anonymous blazer official.
I would assume that Oden and the Blazers are receiving the best medical advice during his rehab. There was already direct discussion from the blazers about using this year to strengthen Oden's core. This could be part of that.
It's unclear what Oden's optimum weight should be or what type of balance he should have between upper and lower body. But considering his height and body type, 275-285 lbs doesn't seem excessive at all.
by moldorf on Nov 16, 2007 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate thinks its not that swell of an idea
"I would much rather have him be wiry strong than bulky, especially coming off a surgery," McMillan said. "When you're talking about putting on extra weight and having to carry that weight on a surgically repaired leg, that's not good. We want to be really careful with the weight training with him."
by tominhawaii on Nov 16, 2007 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh SNAP, Dude!!!
by bothteamsplayedhard on Nov 16, 2007 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with the Corps on this one.
Some folks think that bulking up effects quickness. I know this is a common mindset with old school baseball people. But then how do you explain Barry Bonds? McMillan apparently thinks maybe Oden is overdoing it. (Of course if Nate's not old school, nobody is.) Personally, I'll give Nate the benefit of the doubt. He's the coach and former player and likely sees Oden every day. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if even he is over reacting just a bit.
Bottom line - If Oden played at 280 in college as an 18 - 19 year old, he'll most likely be playing at 285 - 290 in the NBA. As for his quickness, I wouldn't worry. There are drills and exercises to develop that. (See David Thorpe.) At 19, no reason Oden won't be doing those along with lifting.
by timg56 on Nov 19, 2007 7:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
everyone read the sports page today?
you idiots can all kiss my ass.
by trader205 on Nov 19, 2007 8:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My friend...
Our point (or at least my point) was that Oden is the type of player who is going to easily gain muscle. He has a body type that is just going to expand, especially as he matures beyond his 19 years, and when it's all said and done, he will be a physical specimen in the same way Shaq is/was.
The Blazers won't worry so much about whether or not Oden can handle the Amare's and Chandler's of the world... Instead, it will be our opposition who worries.
The article even states (from Bobby M. the Blazers trainer) "'He's one of those guys whose body just takes to it," said Bobby Medina, who is in his 11th season as the Blazers strength and conditioning coach. "Shawn Kemp was like that. Jermaine O'Neal was that way. Their bodies just eat it up." THIS IS A GOOD THING. It's great that he can build muscle, it's great that he WANTS to build muscle...
The point is that NOW, it might not be the best time for him to be AT HIS PLAYING WEIGHT. There's nothing in here that says "Greg Oden is much slower now that he's gained 30 pounds." But the weight MAY add extra stress to the leg while he's in rehab.
I'd much rather have a team full of Greg Oden's, who have to be locked out of the weight room during their rehab, then have a Darius Miles, who gains 40 - 50lbs because of ice cream...
by Champs2009 on Nov 20, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm missing the point?
your quote: "The Blazers won't worry so much about whether or not Oden can handle the Amare's and Chandler's of the world... Instead, it will be our opposition who worries."
I'm sure that saying that makes you feel good, and I'm sure that you think it sounds cool when people here read it. The fact of the matter is that we are talking about a kid with 1 year of college experience, minimal shooting skills and a bad knee. Because of his work ethic and his mental approach, I am optimistic that Greg will be a true force in this league, but I'm not dumb enough to blindly believe it to the point that I endorse him adding 30-40 pounds during rehab. As for now, Oden will have a tough enough time handling Joel Pryzbilla in practice next summer. The all-stars of the league won't have to shiver with trepidation until 2009, if ever.
Amare and Chandler (I don't think you need to refer to them in some kind of plural-possesive hybrid like an idiot cliche sports writer) were brought up only to illustrate that this is the "new" kind of center in the NBA. I did not bring them up to say that Oden will not be able to "handle" them. I was trying to illustrate that bulk does not equal success anymore. It's not a piece of the puzzle anymore. The other things are now the key tools- speed, leaping ability, and a cerebral approach.
My point was that Greg's greatest assetts are his speed and his leaping ability ("explosiveness", I believe I called it). My other point was that he should not be adding this weight until his knee is healthy. We should be doing nothing to jeapordize those 2 issues.
If you don't want to hear it from me, why don't you read the article above and hear it from Greg Oden himself:
"I don't want to get too big, so when I come back I'm actually slower and can't move like I used to. You have to keep in mind that being faster than people is one of my strengths."
Or Nate, maybe: "We don't want that, him bulking up. I don't think that helps him. If you start that now, he won't be able to move. We want him to be quick and athletic as opposed to being bulky and big."
Or KP: "We don't want him to get to 300 pounds. What we want is him to be strong, but we don't want him to be bulky. We want him to be athletic, that's his strength, and we have 10 months to get there."
I point out a very legitimate concern before these paid professionals do, and you are ridiculous to come on and continue to lecture me?
Don't be a moron. The only reason that you should even post to this thread is to tell me that I was right all along. If you don't have the balls to say that, you should avoid this thread like all the other cowards have.
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