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One of the things I'm noticing lately is that the more the off-season progresses the bigger the legend of Brandon Roy is getting.  Extra buzz surrounding the top rookie prospect is not unusual, but the excitement over B-Roy is starting to overflow the banks.  ESPN.com's depth chart has him listed as the starting shooting guard (and Martell third at that position and presumably 11th on the roster).  Rookie of the Year is a firm possibility in most people's minds.  The faithful are wondering aloud whether he's just going to be very good or a true savior.

Look, I went to Vegas and saw Brandon play.  I was favorably impressed.  I also watched him operate with the fans and talked to him a little.  I was even more favorably impressed.  I am really glad he's on the team and the last thing I want to do is play Debbie Downer and spoil the party.  (Cue curled lips and "wah-wah-wah" here.)  But folks, I'm going to bring up the R-word. Despite his maturity, despite his ability to change directions on a dime, despite having good ball-handling skills for a taller guard, he's...well...you know...a first year player.  You can read back in the summer league section of the BlazerThoughts archives for all the glowing praise, but that doesn't change the fact that right now our prize pupil is just like a great, big bowl of cookie dough.  It looks delicious, but it needs a little time in the oven yet. Eating a little now is fine, but if you scarf the whole thing raw you're going to end up with a tummy ache.

Obviously it's going to take some time for Brandon to learn the system and the game.  Everybody knows that. But he also has to get bigger and stronger in order to be effective in it.  He's going to have similar obstacles to overcome as Jarrett Jack.  At the point quick, annoying guards are going to mess with his dribble and his head all day.  He's never seen the type of bodies and athleticism that he's going to face on a daily basis at the shooting guard position.  His body is going to take an awful pounding no matter where he plays. He's going to need to develop more range on his shot because the defensive scheme against the Blazers will still be to pack it in on everybody besides Martell.  When he tries to drive he's either going to get smothered by two defenders or hacked to the ground by a 300-pound behemoth with oak trees for arms. Developing bulk, strength, and skill is a long process and some of that is going to have to happen before he can truly learn the ins and outs of his position (or positions).  In reality I question whether he'll see extended minutes at the point this year because it's such a hard position to learn and the potential for frustration and loss of confidence is high.  And not playing point would certainly eat into his minutes and his potential statistical production.  But I don't see why that should be a huge measure of his first year growth anyway.

It's not going to bother me if Roy doesn't end the year in Rookie of the Year contention.  How many great players didn't make that much of a statistical impact in their first season or two?  Kobe didn't.  Nowitzki didn't.  McGrady didn't.  Damon Stoudamire did but his team still lost 75% of their games and his stellar trajectory turned out to be more of a flatline.  Maybe Brandon IS the next Paul Pierce or Dwyane Wade, but he doesn't have to be in order to turn out superb. Year 1 is mostly for learning and carrying vets' luggage. Years 2-4 are for showing what you're made of.

I've listed our current roster below.  Beside each name is the number of points per game I would consider a really good season for that player, taking into account role, experience, ability, and potential playing time because of depth.  Keep in mind that rookies start out the year with a ton of 4-6 minute stints which count as full games for "per game" purposes so it's really hard for them to average big numbers.  Also remember there's no way everybody could reach these averages simultaneously.  Some players getting minutes and shot attempts will take away from others.  My contention is simply if you look at an individual's name at the end of the season and they have this number in their scoring column, you should say, "Well done!"  If you wouldn't say that, maybe your expectations are a shade too high.  This shows about where I expect Brandon will be in the team's statistical hierarchy. (I've also appended other pat-on-the-back qualifications for fun.)

Jarrett Jack--14 (add 5+ assists)
Dan Dickau--8
Sergio Rodriguez--6
Brandon Roy--10 (add fewer than 2.5 turnovers)
Juan Dixon--13
Martell Webster--13 (add shooting .360+ from the arc)
Darius Miles--18 (add no trouble)
Travis Outlaw--12 (add 20+ minutes per game)
Zach Randolph--20 (add 10 rebounds)
Raef LaFrentz--8
Joel Przybilla--9 (add 10 rebounds)
Jamaal Magloire--12 (add 9 rebounds)
LaMarcus Aldridge--8 (add fewer than 4 fouls per game)

What are your expectations of B-Roy or other individual players?  Higher? Lower? Comment below or by e-mail.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)<

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Hmmm
I think Martell is vastly underated. He's my pick this year to have a Zach Randolph type season, I don't see 20+ pt's a game out of the question for him.
Roy for ROY!

by Devyn on Sep 1, 2006 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

WOW !
If everyone has their best year the Blazers will AVERAGE 151 point/game.

Roy will not be ROY because McMillan won't play him (until possibly late in the season when all is lost).

by Renegade on Sep 1, 2006 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Roy's strength...
will be his all around game.  Ultimately, I see scoring, rebounding and assists in good to great numbers.  If Roy becomes the player I think he will, I see Drexler-like numbers in his future.

In the meantime, yes, he's a rookie and he will have rookie pains.  I think Blazer fans are starving for the greatness they once took for granted and that they are reaching for anything they can to get back there.  Give him a chance to grow and he will be a team leader.  Roy gives me encouragement that the Blazers have a future.

Dave, if I may be so bold as to offer a suggestion...  Instead of lumping all the players together, how about running one a day?  You've already run Outlaw past us, and now Roy.  How about giving us a chance to comment against your predictions for each player in turn?

If this is what you are already doing, or if you have another plan, please pardon my presumption.

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Sep 1, 2006 6:29 AM PDT reply actions  

When the season gets closer
we'll probably do something like that, or at least by position.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, are u generous!
Here's my take on what would be an acceptable season:

Jarrett Jack--14
Dan Dickau--2
Sergio Rodriguez--3
Brandon Roy--10
Juan Dixon--10
Martell Webster--12
Darius Miles--16
Travis Outlaw--9
Zach Randolph--20 (add 10 rebounds)
Raef LaFrentz--6
Joel Przybilla--9 (add 10 rebounds)
Jamaal Magloire--12 (add 9 rebounds)
LaMarcus Aldridge--2

The only players I have expectations for this season are Roy, Zach, Webster, Jack & Outlaw. The rest will fall in line.

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

WOW #2
125 pts/game.  I think you and Dave have been smoking the funny stuff.  If the Blazers average 100 pts/game it would be a remarkable improvement.  Especially given the style of ball McMillan likes to play.

by Renegade on Sep 1, 2006 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would call
your attention to these sentences directly from the post:

"Also remember there's no way everybody could reach these averages simultaneously.  Some players getting minutes and shot attempts will take away from others."

The exercise wasn't meant to be a prediction of overall team performance, just what would be really good season (yes, in an optimistic light) for each individual.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

What are you smokin'?
You don't want much, do you?  Your top 8 man rotation (assuming it's Zach, Joel, Darius, Martell, Jack, Roy, Magloire, and Outlaw) is set to average 102 points a game.  Plus getting 29 boards from 3 guys.

This is your idea of "acceptable"?  Those kind of numbers would be a miracle coming from this team.

I think lowering your expectations by 2 across the board would be more reasonable.  But hey, if they can make it happen, I'm all for it!

by superbatman on Sep 1, 2006 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now, now...
This is what I expect as a best case scenerio. In actuality, it will be less for many of the players. Let's pay a little closer attention, fellas.

<*)))><

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attention Paid
BP.  You actually said "acceptable", but let's move on.  

Last season the Suns were the top scoring team with 108.36 pts/game.  Only 5 teams averaged over 100.  The Blazers were the lowest scoring team at 88.84.  I still say if they can average 100 pts/game this season it will a fabulous recovery.  For the Blazers to get to 125 would require an improvement of over 36 pts/game.  Let's be honest, even in a best case scenario this will not happen.

Personally, I hope for 95 (a seven point increase).

by Renegade on Sep 1, 2006 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

As mentioned above
the idea of the thing was to look individually, not corporately.  The numbers are supposed to total high because no team every has twelve players with simultaneous great seasons.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

A
I'm hoping the Blazers can average about 94-96 PPG this season.

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be
a serious increase.  I'd take it.  The problem is it would still put us only 20th or so in the league as far as scoring.  But if the backcourt defense improves alongside it would sure translate into more wins.  Guard defense was to me clearly the worst aspect of our game last year...the year prior too.  That's my biggest hope.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The following...
The following teams were ranked at the bottom of scoring last season:

  1. Memphis 92PPG
  2. NO/OKC 93PPG
  3. New Jersey 94PPG
  4. Indiana 94PPG
  5. San Antonio 96PPG (63 wins 88PA)
  6. Detroit 97PPG (64 wins 90PA)

If Portland can score 94PPG and allow under 94PPG, then you have a .500 team. Entirely possible with this group.

by damir on Sep 1, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Young defenders
are my concern this year.  But I think within a couple years you'll see just that.  And they just may surprise us all by coming out early like you suggest.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave
I agree. I think our offense may very well get better quicker than our defense. I don't want to keep harping on this issue, but so long as we have the single worst defensive PF in the league, we're going to struggle.

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not his biggest fan at the moment...
...but I think "who plays major minutes" or "with that kind of offensive ability" or even "that's the main guy on his team" are probably necessary qualifications to that statement.  I mean, Keith Van Horn saw some PF minutes last year.  Now HE'S awful.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 1, 2006 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think
 
after February this will be a whole new team. The biggest question marks for me will be the SF position (can/will) miles pull his head out? Will MW play the perimeter defence needed in the half court game NM want's to run? AND, at the 4, how much will Mag's play at PF? And, will Zach still be a black hole unable and/or unwilling to see the other scoring
options?
I honestly do think all those things are very possible except MW playing perimeter D :) But who know's...  

by bigddydrg on Sep 1, 2006 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

bigddydrg
All very astute questions. This year could really be a test of Nate's abilities.

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

fatty!
Nice to hear from you. How's things?

by blazerprophet on Sep 1, 2006 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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