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Third Greatest Blazer Ever Contest: Final Quarterfinal

This is the last matchup in the first round of the Third Greatest Blazer ever contest.  The voting in all four matchups will still be open throughout the weekend so feel free.

A side note:  a few people have been commenting about what they see as lopsided matchups, particularly Lucas vs. Vandeweghe.  Brief explanation...

--It seemed most fair to determine the matchups randomly, so that's what I did.

--Remember somebody has got to go against somebody.  Statistically, and in many ways in terms of impact, these guys are all solidly in the Blazer Top 10.  Who can help that some are closer to 10 and some are closer to 3?  Besides, half the fun is seeing people try to justify the underdog.  I suppose I could import some Laker greats if you want Lucas to go up against someone he has a chance to lose to in the first round.

--Really, if you look at what they did year-to-year as Blazers, while there is some separation it's not as great as people are making it in most of these cases...at least not a huge statistical separation.  Some are giants because of what they did to help the team and some are just plain legends in our memory, but again, who can help that? (And that's also part of the fun anyway.)

OK, enough of that.  Have at today's matchup:

Terry Porter

versus

Rasheed Wallace

Vote for who progresses to the semi-finals in the comment section, with explanations if you feel they're warranted.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Good matchup
One of the best in the first round. I have to go with Porter however. He, more than Wallace, embodies the true Portland Trailblazer. When I think of Terry, I automatically think Clyde Drexler and those championship runs. Sheed will probably be remembered more as a Piston because of his ring.
"...though you may fail...aim at something high." Henry David Thoreau

by Dr Dave on Dec 22, 2006 3:11 AM PST reply actions  

TP hands down
He was such a solid contributor thoughout his tenure.  Though he didn't possess the natural ability that Sheed has, you never had to question his determination or committment to the team. Concur with Dr Dave, a "true" blazer.

by dcblazer on Dec 22, 2006 4:12 AM PST reply actions  

Porter....
This one is truly tough.  TP was steady and always productive and on occasion could take over a game.

Rasheed could/can take over a game any time he wants and just doesn't want to.

It comes down to this, I don't want to play against Rasheed, but I want Porter on my team.  

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Dec 22, 2006 5:01 AM PST reply actions  

Porter
for best player it would be a tough call, for best blazer, it is a piece of cake.
It wasn't the first time I'd been kicked in the cherries and called a rat by a woman, but it was the first time I didn't mind.

by shenanigans on Dec 22, 2006 6:47 AM PST reply actions  

TP, of course
Voting with my heart. He still remains my all-time favorite Blazer - which doesn't mean he's the best, just that I loved his hustle, his intensity, his humor (and his 3 pointers didn't hurt).  Plus he won the Walter Kennedy (?)award which shouts out his committment to the community.

Seeing him in those too-short "Memorable moments" reminded me of the intensity with which he played. Agree with those comments about "a true Blazer"  - he's what I want my Blazers to be.

by jorga on Dec 22, 2006 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

TP
This was a hard one, but as long as you CTC, Sheed won't care who is on that Damn Roster, anyhow.
Ball Don't Lie

by bothteamsplayedhard on Dec 22, 2006 7:39 AM PST reply actions  

WOW
Gotta say I'm shocked so far.  No 'Sheed backers out there?

--Dave

by Dave on Dec 22, 2006 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

You should have had Sheed...
against Uncle Cliffy, that would have been interesting.

I know, it's all random...

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Dec 22, 2006 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I think
I could at least come up with an argument for 'Sheed over Porter, but I'm not voting.

--Dave

by Dave on Dec 22, 2006 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

What it comes down to for me...
is that this is the greatest "Blazers" of all time.  These players have to "represent", so to speak.

As great a player as Sheed is, and he is a great player, Terry Porter is as close to "Mr. Blazer" as this team has had.  He represents what I want the Blazers to be.  Sheed does not.

Does that make it "clear"?  As clear as "mud", anyway?  Do you love it when people over use "quotation marks"?

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Dec 22, 2006 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

"Yes"
it "does".  "LOL".

However my question then is this:

Spirit and warmth and carrying the good name of the team are certainly legitmate criteria when determining your vote.  But if that's the way it's going why did Zach Randolph mow over Jim Paxson the other day?  Poor Jimmy got the shaft.

--Dave

by Dave on Dec 22, 2006 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Zach
is in our face right now, and I think many of us were voting for his potential. The Blazers have done so much better than most of us expected this season, and Vintage Plaza Hotel aside, Zach has been awesome - though blazerprophet will jump down my throat for that!
Ball Don't Lie

by bothteamsplayedhard on Dec 22, 2006 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Sheed.
Ok, i just wanted to say that.  I actually vote for Terry too.

But, to be fair, it is only because of his leadership abilities.  

They both were tremendous contributors to the community, you just never heard about Sheed's because he tried to keep everything as low key as possible and the media let him because they liked to focus on what a "bad guy" he was on the court.

Terry will always embody what i think a great Blazers player should be.  Everytime i think back on the great teams i grew up on the first two things out of my mouth are ALWAYS "Clyde and Terry".

written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on Dec 22, 2006 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

Porter
You gotta go with Terry on this one.  But consider this-what if Terry had played with Wallace.  With Terry taking the pressure to lead the team off him, and having a bit of a calming influence on and off the court this bracket would be for the fourth greatest Blazer of all time.  Its possible thats why no one wants to vote for Wallace he didn't use 3/4 of his of his potential and Terry used all of his.  

by TearsforDuckworth on Dec 22, 2006 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

What if you just compared them at each position??
This would have to be another lopsided comparisson.  I'd give my to Terry on merit alone.  Heart, leadership, character, all things that this organization needed to get to the finals.  Without Porter, I doubt that the Blazers would have gone as far as they did.  Even though we faced a tough minded Pistons team and fell into the midst of a dynasty when we played the Bulls, both amounting to losses in the finals, Terry's leadership is what got us there.  Clyde was the most gifted, athletic player we had, but TP brought this team together.  

On the other hand, Rasheed was so darn exciting to watch.  You knew that when Rasheed was on, you could count it in the books as a win.  The thing I noticed most about Rasheed's play, was when he was on Defense, he would flash the passing lane just to remind opposing players that there was always the chance that he'd get is hands on the ball.  He'd also fill the lane, skying for so many Alley-Oops that if he didn't get one during the game, then we knew it was going to be one.  Rasheed brought so much energy to this team.  If he hadn't burned his own bridge with his CTC remarks, he might have been placed closer to the top of the list of Blazer greats.

TP is the closest thing to Blazer perfection, in regards to representing the spirit of Rip City.

Was Damon really a bad Blazer, or did he get the short end of the stick?

by rpxxxiv on Dec 22, 2006 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

OK...
just for fun then.  This is not a vote and responses to this will not be counted as votes.  If you want to vote for real, go ahead and put the name of the person you're voting for in the subject line of your comment.  But for the sake of discussion...

Thesis:  Rasheed Wallace is/was a better individual player than Terry Porter.

Agree?  Disagree?  Why?

--Dave

by Dave on Dec 22, 2006 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

disagree...
but only to a degree.  Rasheed "can" be a much better player.  TP went out and got it done, night after night, game after game.  He never took a night off.  He never did stupid crap that got him thrown out of games when he was needed on the floor.

All the talent in the world (and Sheed has just that) don't mean a thing if you aren't on the floor.

Again, it's about representing, for me anyway.

As for Paxson and Zach, well, I'm still mad at Paxson for beating us in the fourth quarter when he was with Chicago.

(It's a joke.)

by ken @ Blazer's Edge on Dec 22, 2006 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes! I can see your point.
Jimmy should have strangled his brother out behind the barn when they were children, or at least broken his fingers of his shooting hand in the car door or something.  He did kind of let us down by letting the kid become a Bull and beat us.  Perhaps that's why he didn't fare better in the vote the other day.

--Dave

by Dave on Dec 22, 2006 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Porter
wow... finally a run away.

by ratbastird on Dec 22, 2006 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

rasheed
This is actually quite a close matchup looking at numbers.  since the voting is TP in a runaway, I'll throw Rasheed a bone and make the case for him.

People forget that if not for lids being put on the basket in the 4th quarter on June 4, 2000 Rasheed would have had a 40 pt game in a game 7 on the road.  He played an incredible series to that point (really he was awesome all year- and was rewarded by being the last blazer to appear in any all star weekend event).

I know, shoulda coulda woulda.  Rasheed missed some easy shots in that awful collapse and was never the same in a Portland uniform.  However, as great as TP was, he didn't always come up huge in the playoffs either- see 1991 west finals game 6.

Both were great players who just missed leading the franchise to glory.  I can certainly understand and respect everyone for giving the nod to TP for his leadership and character.  

I'll give the nod to Rasheed on shear ability to wow a crowd and dominate a game when he set his mind to it.

(if this was a closer race, i might consider changing my vote though- how's that for hedging my bets).

by jksnake99 on Dec 22, 2006 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

TP
For # three.

by playground legend on Dec 22, 2006 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

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